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  1. Pierre Blackwell's Avatar
    Its not about Android being able to sync with MS services because that's a given. Its the lack of control MS has on Android applications that leaves enterprises skeptical to take on Android. Contrary to your statement about companies using Windows 8.1, you're right most aren't because they're still using Windows 7 or even XP like most bank ATM machines. So with an infrastructure already established in MS, why switch? As for universal apps...again you're right, they are limited right now but MS is pushing to make most applications universal. This is where WP will establish its precedence. A mobile link to a universally linked system of services that are replicated over tablets, laptops, desk tops, and even Xboxs.
    05-24-2014 02:08 PM
  2. A895's Avatar
    MS control on Android applications? They control them very well, I doubt that has businesses worried. Everything you are saying about WP right now is only possibilities and what MAY happen. For eight now in it's present form, I don't see any advantages it has over Android.

    Enterprise sees that and Consumers doubly so because of all the missing new and popular apps. And all the apps that have not been updated in a long time.

    Sent from my XT907 using Mobile Nations mobile app
    05-24-2014 03:13 PM
  3. Pierre Blackwell's Avatar
    I will search for the articles that reinforce my statement about universal apps. A lot of the new apps on WP have an icon that looks like phone and computer. That's the universal app icon. Trust me its not just a mere possibility, its the direction MS has positioned itself in and the one where they have a viable advantage. From a purely logical standpoint I would echo your statement about choosing Android over MS, yet you don't see it happening at the enterprise level. WP is tasked with satisfying those consumer doubts which they're doing an admirable job and always improving. So MS is banking on companies adopting Windows 8 like other Windows OSs and as such, employees will see the optic similarities with Windows 8.1 and WP 8.1 and wanting to capture that experience in a Mobil device. Only time will tell, but you cant argue that the trend is good and implications suggest things will get even better.
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    05-24-2014 03:54 PM
  4. ScottGeek's Avatar
    Tell me a big business that uses Android. Also tell me why most don't.
    In enterprise land where I work... it's call "Bring Your Own Device (BYOD)" support... unless IT shops have a direct policy against using Andriod on the company's infrastructure, BYOD is getting popular... yes even in the corporate world... the company would really rather not buy everyone a cell phone (iPhones/blackberries are expensive even in bulk). So while lots of enterprises do not directly use Android (mostly because last I looked Android is not a Server OS)... to say that it is not used or supported in the enterprise space... yeah, that probably is absolutely true at places like Corporate Apple and Corporate Microsoft.... but in the rest of the IT Enterprise space... it's not all Apple... definitely not a lot of Windows... Traditional it was Blackberry... today it's becoming more diversified.

    People bring to work what they have and use it... In the US this tends towards Apple, but in Europe and else where it's Android... Companies have figured out that BYOD can nicely replace that old "behind the modern times" Blackberry system/infrastructure they use to spend lots of money on with BYOD... lots cheaper... As far as Malware... misbehaving devices get banned at the network level... if you do VPN...protection and control is baked in...

    It can be scary giving a Corporate Domain Admin total control of your device... but you will not be a trusted device unless you do; That's a general policy of BYOD if you want to have "Enterprise" access.

    ~ScottGeek
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    05-24-2014 10:28 PM
  5. Pierre Blackwell's Avatar
    You make my point. You're right about corporates adopting the BYOD, but a lot provide devices at the office level. Take government agencies..Dept of Defense, Homeland Security, Agriculture....they utilize systems with a server OS capacity. Blackberries were given to high ranking officials for around the clock contact because of its security. Now with Blackberry faltering, what would be the logical switch? iPhone..perhaps but too expensive. Android...i think they would be skeptical because of the security risks, so WP would be a best choice. Your typical office job is using what OS..iOS, Android or Windows? Probably used XP and now Windows 7. Those that make the transition to Windows 8 will have the ability to have a mobile Windows device to mirror the desk top experience for the first time. MS hope is that this will entice people to gravitate to WP.
    05-25-2014 08:21 AM
  6. ScottGeek's Avatar
    Android...i think they would be skeptical because of the security risks, so WP would be a best choice. Your typical office job is using what OS..iOS, Android or Windows? Probably used XP and now Windows 7. Those that make the transition to Windows 8 will have the ability to have a mobile Windows device to mirror the desk top experience for the first time. MS hope is that this will entice people to gravitate to WP.
    Well, I think once the Corporate world figures out that you can lock down Android and make it secure... some will go that direction... the biggest plus for WP is the space that MS already owns in the Enterprise... lots of the Corporate world runs on MS... and the integration possibilities of an all MS world is appealing to IT's. It keeps down costs.

    But BYOD still has a lot of ground to prove... my IT shop keeps trying to push a fruit phone on me Yeah, I'll have none of it... just to be able to get to their systems while mobile? I think not. We have Office 365... and with some of that attached to my WP, that's enough for me to know when I need to go to the company laptop to fix/support something

    ~ScottGeek.
    05-25-2014 08:56 AM
  7. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    the real winner is microsoft, it gets paid for every android and iphone ever sold thanks to its patents and licenses if im not mistaken
    even the default search in ios and mac is Bing
    05-26-2014 03:52 AM
  8. TheProductionOf3's Avatar
    So... Were not even gonna focus on Spotify?... I honestly do not give 0 ****s about this "App gap" I just want some ******* quality and apps not crashing or freezing my phone, apps that should be free that cost money and STILL are ****.
    06-23-2014 09:07 PM
  9. lkcbharath's Avatar
    I am going to try and address this problem with my thread, check it out if you want any apps or you want apps to be updated and post them:

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/ask...update-wp.html
    08-30-2014 02:15 AM
  10. dkaplan137's Avatar
    I find the lack of a real calendar to be the biggest gap. I'm not a big media user or game player so can't comment on those areas. But in my year-plus of WP8 (and now 8.1) use, the inability to search old events makes the live.com or hotmail calendar a joke. I've been using, and been frustrated with, True Calendar 8, but I haven't found an app that can work around this limitation. Is there one?
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    08-31-2014 06:41 PM
  11. Fleischyy's Avatar
    There's a definite app gap, missing really important stuff for me such as CET/CPD work things and also life apps such as ultimate food value diary.
    10-18-2014 06:21 PM
  12. Pierre Blackwell's Avatar
    The reality of the "app gap" ultimately is in the perception of the one comparing so it varies on how impactful it is on the daily routines of peoples lives. First when you think of "app" what are you thinking of? Usually its a less robust, more convenient rendition of the web based application. However does the fact that there isn't a Mobil app for every website a real disadvantage? For example, I bank with Navy Federal and WP doesn't have an app for it. I do have a tile created that launches the website and honestly it doesn't bother me, but that's me. Educate yourself on what is available. Fitbit, and other apps are,available, however aren't as functional as their Android or iOS counterparts so what do you do?? I found myself with this dilemma. I tried MSN Health and Fitness and now use that. It's one of the best collections of everything you want to know about health and fitness. Someone mentioned calendars. Not sure what you're looking for but there are a plethora of them but what makes things really awesome is how Cortana is integrated into your daily routine, but you need to know how it works. The same goes for third party apps. If I want awesome sounding headphones I don't need Beats By Dre to experience it. The key is do your research and educate yourself. Outside of games I consider the gap epidemic to be made a bigger deal than it is. Again, that's just me 😉.
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    10-18-2014 07:12 PM
  13. mpl175's Avatar
    To me its more of a quality, features, and updates thing than an actual gap. I hate to say it but some of my favorite apps that I can get on both my WP and my android almost always run better and have more features than the same apps on my WP. This is what bothers me. Not to mention the apps are updated more frequently than WP apps. I still prefer WP to android I just wish the apps I use on both were equal. I will say, facebook on WP runs much better than my android one.
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    10-18-2014 07:56 PM
  14. Nebel's Avatar
    There's a huge app gap. You need to look at the bigger picture.
    Flashlight apps are rather easy to make, that's why you have hundreds of them.
    But I personally miss a lot of apps from Android. Swiftkey (Microsoft keyboard is junk for us multilingual people, especially who type in 3+ languages), PowerAMP, many apps that automate things... the only thing still keeping me with Windows is the UI + Nokia design.
    10-19-2014 05:27 AM
  15. satrus08's Avatar
    Not only is there an app gap, the the store is pretty bad for discovering new games/apps. Just look at the "Recently Discovered Games" thread on wpcentral. So many good games that are not easily found on the store. The store is pretty bad imo. Also searching in the store is a hit and miss even if you type the app/game title exactly the same
    10-19-2014 05:56 AM
  16. Nebel's Avatar
    Not only is there an app gap, the the store is pretty bad for discovering new games/apps. Just look at the "Recently Discovered Games" thread on wpcentral. So many good games that are not easily found on the store. The store is pretty bad imo. Also searching in the store is a hit and miss even if you type the app/game title exactly the same
    Where is that thread? I tried searching but couldn't find it.
    10-19-2014 06:54 AM
  17. satrus08's Avatar
    Where is that thread? I tried searching but couldn't find it.
    http://forums.windowscentral.com/showthread/264632.htm

    If above link doesn't work just search up newly discovered games
    10-19-2014 01:40 PM
  18. walterg1's Avatar
    I'm an Android user. I'm about to buy a Lumia 920.
    Looking thru the Windows phone app store most of what I need will be supported.

    I will keep my Android phone to play games that aren't supported by Windows.

    App gap , yes its there. It gets more complicated then that,tho.

    Subway Surfer's on Windows only supports Windows 8 and 8.1. Windows 7 is not supported.

    Subway Surfer's on Android supports,
    Gingerbread, Ice cream sandwich, Jelly bean, Kitkat, and of course the soon to be released Lollypop operating system.
    10-22-2014 12:29 AM
  19. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I'm an Android user. I'm about to buy a Lumia 920.
    Looking thru the Windows phone app store most of what I need will be supported.

    I will keep my Android phone to play games that aren't supported by Windows.

    App gap , yes its there. It gets more complicated then that,tho.

    Subway Surfer's on Windows only supports Windows 8 and 8.1. Windows 7 is not supported.

    Subway Surfer's on Android supports,
    Gingerbread, Ice cream sandwich, Jelly bean, Kitkat, and of course the soon to be released Lollypop operating system.
    Windows Phone 7.x is no longer supported at all. Support ended on 14 October 2014. Microsoft Product Lifecycle Search
    10-22-2014 01:11 AM
  20. walterg1's Avatar
    Windows Phone 7.x is no longer supported at all. Support ended on 14 October 2014. Microsoft Product Lifecycle Search
    Yes I know that, but it isnt the point.
    Android Gingerbread came out in December 2010
    but it will still play some of the current games.
    Ice cream sandwich plays alot of the current games.

    Nokia Lumia 900 came out I believe mid 2012 and you can still buy them brand new, and that's a Windows 7 phone.

    Windows just doesn't have the developer support that android does, and that's what needs to change.
    10-22-2014 02:36 AM
  21. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Yes I know that, but it isnt the point.
    Android Gingerbread came out in December 2010
    but it will still play some of the current games.
    Ice cream sandwich plays alot of the current games.

    Nokia Lumia 900 came out I believe mid 2012 and you can still buy them brand new, and that's a Windows 7 phone.

    Windows just doesn't have the developer support that android does, and that's what needs to change.

    Why would the developers be expected to support an OS version that Microsoft doesn't even support?
    10-22-2014 03:13 AM
  22. walterg1's Avatar
    Why would the developers be expected to support an OS version that Microsoft doesn't even support?
    Some of the developers are still supporting an OS version of Android from late 2010 so why wouldn't they support a newer OS.
    Ice cream sandwich is still widely supported by game developers and it came out in October 2011.

    I guess they figure the numbers of Windows 7 users isn't great enough to release new games for.?
    10-22-2014 04:00 AM
  23. salmanahmad's Avatar
    Despite all those hundreds of apps that you describe as "garbage" on Android and iOS, an app gap nonetheless exists.

    The Windows Phone store is still behind in the number of apps, even those that aren't garbage, add to that the quality of apps that are on Windows Phone is mostly subpar compared to Android/iOS.

    And apps apart, the Windows Phone Store lacks quite a lot of quality gaming titles, forget gaming titles, it lacks quality in general.

    No offence, but these are the facts.
    10-22-2014 04:11 AM
  24. tgp's Avatar
    Looking thru the Windows phone app store most of what I need will be supported.
    Yes, the gap is closing as far as the big name apps that are available. If you have an issue, it might be with the quality of the apps. WP is still way behind there. I still don't use a Facebook app on WP. I prefer to use the website.
    Montpbm likes this.
    10-22-2014 07:11 AM
  25. David Rupnik's Avatar
    Funny thing no one mensions that a OS thats 5 years old can't have as much apps as a OS thats 8/7 years old.And the fact that Android is way more advertized then WP.I mean,last year I gave my Lumia 630 to my teacher because I wanted to note something and she didn't even know which OS this is or even which phone it is.And we have a advertaizment poster of this phone in school,which she walks bye everday.And its a big poster,like all across the wall.
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    01-31-2015 05:51 PM
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