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  1. carlos12001's Avatar
    Did I step into Crack berry forums? Because some here are practically saying tools not toys which is what BlackBerry said for a while and guess where they are now? I understand fans may not want the apps, but the platform is not doing well because it does not have access to those apps. Then the platform is not getting the apps because the user base is small. It's a vicious circle.

    Sent from my XT907 using Mobile Nations mobile app
    I understand exactly what your saying about the apps, and I agree there is a gap. I guess I'm having hard time grasping the fact that people are so into a mobile game.
    05-09-2014 07:04 AM
  2. yaron zeevik's Avatar
    The fact that WP allows you to post practically anything to your start screen pretty much silents the issue about applications outside of games. For example, I like reading the Pittsburgh Post Gazette. There is an app for iOS and Andriod, but not one for Windows phone, so what did I do, I pinned the webpage to my startscreen. I can label it what I want, customize the tile to have it look like I want and it launches the website when I click on it, which is better than the app anyway. Not only can you access the mobile sites of applications like Eurotalk and Byki, but there are other apps the represent the same services. Just beause you're not familiar with them doesn't mean they don't do a sufficient job.
    Big name travel apps like Flighttrack 5??? I travel all the time and I haven't heard of that. I use KAYAK, or Tripadvisor, both of which are available on WP. Those are household name travel sites. As for WP not having good games is hogwash. There are tons of great titles. Albiet not always the most popular. The things about trends is that they fade. Again, I understand the Candy Crushers out there and Flappy Birdbrains, not having the satisfaction of playing in a socially connected environment would feel restrictive. However that doesn't correlate to WP not having good games. To be honest I never was a big fan of candy crush saga. However I love Wordament, which I can connect with players who have Xbox live accounts. I love playing Tetris Blitz which is a classic game, not a here one moment gone the next fad, and I can either connect with friends on Facebook, or Xbox. UNO and Trivial Pursuit are others that I can connect with Xbox live. There are a host of other games that can do that, not to mention some flat out bad *** titles period. As I've stated before, I rogered up to there being an "app gap" in the sense of what an application is suppose to do, but the simple fact remains that with all this back an forth Andriod and iPhone users and still putting their phones down and picking up Windows Phones more and more. I wonder why that is?
    which app do you use for making the tiles?
    05-09-2014 07:13 AM
  3. A895's Avatar
    I understand exactly what your saying about the apps, and I agree there is a gap. I guess I'm having hard time grasping the fact that people are so into a mobile game.
    I personally used to play Fun Run (cross platform multiplayer game on iOS and Android) last year and popular games when they were out. But I am in college now so I play mobile games very rarely. But for a majority of smartphone users (under 30s) they need to be in the trends as far as apps and games and they share more than ever from their phone. Games like Temple Run ask you to share your high score to Facebook or Twitter. Games like Candy Crush or Pet Rescue Saga tie directly into Facebook and are addictive. Games like Flappy Birds or Clash of Clans took consumers phones by storm. It is just how the market works right now.

    I am unlike most in my age group (18-24) and I use my phone for productivity. But for everyone else there is popular games and apps abound.

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    05-09-2014 07:33 AM
  4. Pierre Blackwell's Avatar
    And yet you hear more and more users switching to Windows Phones. Trust me I get the question. I agreed with you. All I'm stating is its becoming lesser of an issue because WP is getting more consumer interest at the expense of Apple and Android, not the other way around
    05-09-2014 09:53 AM
  5. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    And yet you hear more and more users switching to Windows Phones. Trust me I get the question. I agreed with you. All I'm stating is its becoming lesser of an issue because WP is getting more consumer interest at the expense of Apple and Android, not the other way around
    I guess the true metric will be how many people stay with Windows Phone to determine as to whether or not I'm eating my words.
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    05-09-2014 09:57 AM
  6. A895's Avatar
    And yet you hear more and more users switching to Windows Phones. Trust me I get the question. I agreed with you. All I'm stating is its becoming lesser of an issue because WP is getting more consumer interest at the expense of Apple and Android, not the other way around
    If you use WPCentral as people are switching to WP in great numbers, you are doing it wrong. More people switch between iOS and Android than people switching to a third platform.

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    05-09-2014 10:29 AM
  7. Pierre Blackwell's Avatar
    The truth is consumers have always had a better user satisfaction with WP. Just look at the reviews. The true metric is right in front of you. How many people are switching from WP to the other ecosystems? No where near as much as the other way around. Android and Apple had a stranglehold on the mobile market, yet MS dove in, took their lumps and is not only still standing put gaining favor as more and more of the crowd is cheering for them. Kind of a role reversal for them, but they know how to play the game.
    05-09-2014 10:32 AM
  8. A895's Avatar
    The truth is consumers have always had a better user satisfaction with WP. Just look at the reviews. The true metric is right in front of you. How many people are switching from WP to the other ecosystems? No where near as much as the other way around. Android and Apple had a stranglehold on the mobile market, yet MS dove in, took their lumps and is not only still standing put gaining favor as more and more of the crowd is cheering for them. Kind of a role reversal for them, but they know how to play the game.
    While people are satisfied with WP, there is such a smaller user base of course more would be switching to than from.

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    05-09-2014 10:38 AM
  9. Pierre Blackwell's Avatar
    I'm going to break this down to the most elementary of terms to try and alleviate any further confusion.

    1. I've stated in my initial comment in this forum, that I agreed about there being an "app gap" in the sense of what and appication is supposed to provide. However since you can pretty much pin anything to you start screen, a feature you can't do with iPhones or Andriod, it pretty much mutes that argument because you and still access the mobile sites, or the actual websites with ease.

    So that brings us to the biggest issue in my opinion and that's games. Now, again, I know those people that like trending games see this as a deal breaker and I've aknowledged that as well. My comments about the games was geared to those that didn't think WP had any good games. That was simply an incorrect statement.

    Ultimately my closing comment was looking at the bigger picture which goes beyone trending games and fadish apps. It's about the staying power that WP has presented in the case of more and more iPhone and Andriod users switching. In the bigger picture this issue is holding less water, one because developers are starting to drop games for WP that are on iOS and Andriod, and at the same time, and even sooner in some instances, but the biggest reason is the overall experience which is dulling the "app gap" argument little by little, but dulling it nevertheless.
    05-09-2014 04:35 PM
  10. Ivin Laney's Avatar
    The truth is consumers have always had a better user satisfaction with WP. Just look at the reviews. The true metric is right in front of you. How many people are switching from WP to the other ecosystems? No where near as much as the other way around. Android and Apple had a stranglehold on the mobile market, yet MS dove in, took their lumps and is not only still standing put gaining favor as more and more of the crowd is cheering for them. Kind of a role reversal for them, but they know how to play the game.
    Apple and the iPhone have had the highest customer satisfaction for the last few years. That is the real truth. WP growing 119% on around 13.2 million units in the last quarter is impressive on the surface until you look at iOS and Android. iOS grew only 17% while android only grew 24%. However, that was on 43.7 million and 187 million units respectively. While I agree that more and people are moving to WP, I wouldn't really say that it's at the expense of iOS and Android. I'm also not so sure MS knows how to "play the game" considering the stagnant worldwide marketshare. I have no idea how we got this far off subject though.
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    05-09-2014 04:37 PM
  11. Pierre Blackwell's Avatar
    If you use WPCentral as people are switching to WP in great numbers, you are doing it wrong. More people switch between iOS and Android than people switching to a third platform.

    Sent from my XT907 using Mobile Nations mobile app
    Trust me it's not just Windows Phone central. WP was gaining market share even before 8.1 was being rumored to be released. You had almost every major electronics and information systems news feed talking about how 8.1 now puts WP on par with iOS and Andriod and in some cases like Cortana, mixing Siri and Google Now, taking the best features from both. Having a Wifi Sense, and Data Sense that tells you not only how much data you're using but where is most of it going and Battery Sense that tells you what is sucking the life out of your phone. Only Samsung provides this feature for Andriod, and iPhones don't have it at all. With consumers already showing an increased interest in WP before the 8.1 update, and before the plethora of positive reviews, you can only assume you're going to see a lot more of what is already happening. As for your more people are switching from iOS to Andriod then to WP, just look the the growth percentages over the last year. Windows Phone is the fastest growing ecosystem. This just isn't from consumers who didn't own a phone before, most of these are from users who once owned an Andriod or iPhone.
    05-09-2014 04:43 PM
  12. Pierre Blackwell's Avatar
    Apple and the iPhone have had the highest customer satisfaction for the last few years. That is the real truth. WP growing 119% on around 13.2 million units in the last quarter is impressive on the surface until you look at iOS and Android. iOS grew only 17% while android only grew 24%. However, that was on 43.7 million and 187 million units respectively. While I agree that more and people are moving to WP, I wouldn't really say that it's at the expense of iOS and Android. I'm also not so sure MS knows how to "play the game" considering the stagnant worldwide marketshare. I have no idea how we got this far off subject though.
    LOL...point taken, however on an end note you should look at the JD power and associates customer satisfaction results and you'll see that although it's based on smart phone maker 2014 has iOS and Samsung as the top two. If you look at 2013 you'd see iOS and Nokia, which since Nokia just released an Andriod based phone a few months ago, all those numbers would reflect WP users. The 2013 Readers Choice awards had WP8 as the most satisfying OS with iOS coming in second. PocketNow had WP7 first and iOS second, and MacDaily news had iOS first and WP second. All this to say on the contrary, WP has always been either first or second in customer service satisfaction.
    05-09-2014 05:35 PM
  13. A895's Avatar
    Trust me it's not just Windows Phone central. WP was gaining market share even before 8.1 was being rumored to be released. You had almost every major electronics and information systems news feed talking about how 8.1 now puts WP on par with iOS and Andriod and in some cases like Cortana, mixing Siri and Google Now, taking the best features from both. Having a Wifi Sense, and Data Sense that tells you not only how much data you're using but where is most of it going and Battery Sense that tells you what is sucking the life out of your phone. Only Samsung provides this feature for Andriod, and iPhones don't have it at all. With consumers already showing an increased interest in WP before the 8.1 update, and before the plethora of positive reviews, you can only assume you're going to see a lot more of what is already happening. As for your more people are switching from iOS to Andriod then to WP, just look the the growth percentages over the last year. Windows Phone is the fastest growing ecosystem. This just isn't from consumers who didn't own a phone before, most of these are from users who once owned an Andriod or iPhone.
    I bet most of those people are new to smartphones. If you remember the most prolific WP's available and that are best selling is the Lumia 520/521. I don't think someone who is on a GS4 or HTC One (M7) is switching to one of those. Those who are on a budget and getting one of those devices is already 1.)not a smartphone user already 2.) had a cheap android phone before and just got something else on the cheap. WP may be growing but it's because of the low end, not really the high end.
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    05-09-2014 06:36 PM
  14. A895's Avatar
    LOL...point taken, however on an end note you should look at the JD power and associates customer satisfaction results and you'll see that although it's based on smart phone maker 2014 has iOS and Samsung as the top two. If you look at 2013 you'd see iOS and Nokia, which since Nokia just released an Andriod based phone a few months ago, all those numbers would reflect WP users. The 2013 Readers Choice awards had WP8 as the most satisfying OS with iOS coming in second. PocketNow had WP7 first and iOS second, and MacDaily news had iOS first and WP second. All this to say on the contrary, WP has always been either first or second in customer service satisfaction.
    Good for WP, but it does not tell the tale of whether it is catching fire with consumers. That's where the struggles is and hence why this thread was created because the common compliant besides being a different OS from iOS and Android is that is has an "app gap".
    05-09-2014 06:38 PM
  15. Helder Costa1's Avatar
    hi sorry to ask, but i don't know how to stop apps running in background... someone help me please???
    05-09-2014 06:55 PM
  16. carlos12001's Avatar
    hi sorry to ask, but i don't know how to stop apps running in background... someone help me please???
    Hold the back button, and "x" them out
    05-09-2014 08:11 PM
  17. cgavula's Avatar
    Not only can you access the mobile sites of applications like Eurotalk and Byki, but there are other apps the represent the same services. Just beause you're not familiar with them doesn't mean they don't do a sufficient job.
    Big name travel apps like Flighttrack 5??? I travel all the time and I haven't heard of that. I use KAYAK, or Tripadvisor, both of which are available on WP.
    Websites are great and I'm well aware of them, but they force you to be online to use them. That isn't always practical or realistic and it isn't the same as having an app with off-line coverage. When you're in a place where your signal isn't good or even nonexistent, as can happen when you are traveling, you'll discover there's a big difference between using a website link and an app with full offline content available on your device. Websites are not sufficient to cover and make up for the gap.

    And you're mistaking travel booking sites/apps with travel apps - i.e. apps you use while you are traveling to track your flight arrangements and statuses and reservations, etc. (Yes, there's some overlap, but they aren't quite the same thing). Those are still very much lacking. You are incorrect if you do not think so.

    And as I said, my Lumia 1520 is my daily driver - I love this phone - but that doesn't mean WP doesn't have weaknesses or an app gap.
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    05-10-2014 12:58 AM
  18. abhiiceman's Avatar
    dono about the US but in india wp apps are the worst, we feel like puking after seeing the app selection the tiles itself are ugly let alone the app..except for the inbuilt apps and some nokia apps all are crap, cant find a single app which does the job and look good. some times i feel like the template for wp app is the culprit..atleast the basic app like bookmyshow, IMDB, flipkart etc when compared with android or ios , feels like decade old, though flipkart app had a overhaul few weeks back...only third party app which i found good was facebook and instagram BETA and even the fb is made by MS :facepalm.. where are the devs actually(no offence but this is how WP user feel), after seeing the 2014 build and that whole universal app thing felt like Ms has finally done it, though devs would droll to make apps for windows as they can reach millions of customer through WP, W8 and W8 RT, but nothing till now, not even a promise that we will get better quality apps from now on..
    05-10-2014 04:10 PM
  19. CSMR250's Avatar
    A similar situation would be the MacBook and Windows. MacBook lacks TONS of programs, but could do the essentials such as browsing or chatting or work, but could not play the major PC games such as Skyrim (unless they boot Windows there). Yet a lot of people are still buying them. Why? Because of innovation. Their MacBooks are top notch quality, one of the best laptops out there (strong battery life, no lag, really thin yet still performs well, good looking to say the least).
    Most apps are available for Mac. Reason: Apple users are more willing to spend money (because they are rich or professional or just spendthrifts).

    Apps come out faster for iOS than Android even though there are many more androids. Because iOS users spend more money. (Also because the Android market is an uncontrolled and insecure mess.)

    Microsoft should target people who spend money. It cannot get the "cool" people who buy Apple products to show off but it can get professionals. With WP7, WP7.5, WP8, the OS was not good enough for professional use, only for casual users. With WP8.1, the OS is more flexible and more feature-complete but MS still needs to do more to target professionals and business users. WP8.1 has the features but is still targeted at casual users.

    When WP gets some professional and business users, then app makers will make money from writing WP apps, and the app gap will close.
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    05-11-2014 07:36 AM
  20. A895's Avatar
    Most apps are available for Mac. Reason: Apple users are more willing to spend money (because they are rich or professional or just spendthrifts).

    Apps come out faster for iOS than Android even though there are many more androids. Because iOS users spend more money. (Also because the Android market is an uncontrolled and insecure mess.)

    Microsoft should target people who spend money. It cannot get the "cool" people who buy Apple products to show off but it can get professionals. With WP7, WP7.5, WP8, the OS was not good enough for professional use, only for casual users. With WP8.1, the OS is more flexible and more feature-complete but MS still needs to do more to target professionals and business users. WP8.1 has the features but is still targeted at casual users.

    When WP gets some professional and business users, then app makers will make money from writing WP apps, and the app gap will close.
    The thing is professional and business users are being set upon iPhones for work. Apple has been doing well with enterprise lately, even then business users don't make up the majority of Apples users, the majority will always be casual people. I think the fact Developers target iOS first because it is easier (less devices to optimize for) and because it's out of habit. Devs have been iOS first for a long time considering they were the first real app store. But as time goes on Devas have been targeting iOS and Android at the same time or at least within a few months time. That's not to say with WP (no offense) you may not see it for a long time or never.

    The point of getting more users isn't to be cool, its to have all the apps that people want now and to do it in a decently fast manner. I know people with Galaxy S3s who won't upgrade for a while because it does everything they need. I know people with iPhone 4s who won't upgrade because they have the apps they need and their phone still works fine for them.

    More than anything I think Microsoft should be throwing money at Devs so that all the new and popular apps hit WP the same time as iOS and Android that way, you can recommend it to anyone. So that when someone asks you does WP have Candy Crush, Tinder, Official SnapChat or Clash of Clans you can say it does.

    If Microsoft can capture the casual crowd the apps for the professional crowd will come eventually but we all know the casual crowd is where the $$$$ is right now.

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    05-11-2014 07:48 AM
  21. Pierre Blackwell's Avatar
    I think WP will be just fine. Lets remember, when the iPhone and the first Androids came out, they weren't designed to take on corporate work assignments or high volume presentations. Lets not forget the most popular non-mobile OS is Windows 7, followed by XP, so the fact still remains that even those who use iPhones in particular and Androids still own a pc that runs some form of a Windows OS. What WPs direction seems to be is to bridge that gap to have people view it as an extension of their other devices. The fact that WP in its short life has gained more ground than the other ecosystems in their embryonic stages shows the potential. Cortana in beta is still as good as Siri or Google now who have been around. Maybe Android will release a 64K device, but that's still the missing link. Its still a mobile OS on steroids, and government agencies turn away because of the lack of security. iOs will find if they don't embrace the lower price bracket, they're popularity will slowly dwindle.
    05-11-2014 01:17 PM
  22. Anwaar Ulhaq's Avatar
    Please Windows grow up and release some phones we really need them I use Android just because Windows Phones are not available in market all of them are out of stock..
    Why shouldn't Microsoft issue licence to these companies to make WP:
    1) Lenovo
    2) LG
    3) Motorola
    4) Panasonic
    5) Asus
    6) Acer
    7) HP
    8) Dell
    9) Intel
    10)Gigabyte

    They all make smartphones and Tablets they can boost Windows Phones Market the only problem in Windows is that no phone is available in Market and if they are so they're really expensive.

    They already have licensed:
    Sony
    Samsung
    HTC
    Huawei
    Nokia

    But I haven't seen any better phones except few from Nokia such as Lumia 1520, 925, 920, 720, 520, 525, 625 but the rest were flop.
    05-11-2014 01:28 PM
  23. A895's Avatar
    I think WP will be just fine. Lets remember, when the iPhone and the first Androids came out, they weren't designed to take on corporate work assignments or high volume presentations. Lets not forget the most popular non-mobile OS is Windows 7, followed by XP, so the fact still remains that even those who use iPhones in particular and Androids still own a pc that runs some form of a Windows OS. What WPs direction seems to be is to bridge that gap to have people view it as an extension of their other devices. The fact that WP in its short life has gained more ground than the other ecosystems in their embryonic stages shows the potential. Cortana in beta is still as good as Siri or Google now who have been around. Maybe Android will release a 64K device, but that's still the missing link. Its still a mobile OS on steroids, and government agencies turn away because of the lack of security. iOs will find if they don't embrace the lower price bracket, they're popularity will slowly dwindle.
    Let's not forget WP has 4% of the smartphone market nearly 4 years after it's release. 4 years after Android's release (Sept, 2012) it was sitting at 52% of the market. Let's not also forget the majority of the smartphone market is casual users and not enterprise use or governement use. Let's not also forget iOS is not going anywhere soon seeing as Apple makes the most money off of mobile than ANYONE else, prices don't matter. We also can not forget the iPhone 5c is the same cost off contract as a Lumia Icon and the ATIV SE.
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    05-11-2014 02:19 PM
  24. Shad0x64's Avatar
    Our apps are ugly and lack features. Love winphone 8.1 but our apps suck. Even the Microsoft apps are better on iPhone aside from an exclusive feature here and there. Been here since the ppc6500 but the 920 is likely my last Windows phone.
    05-11-2014 04:30 PM
  25. Shad0x64's Avatar
    Let's not forget WP has 4% of the smartphone market nearly 4 years after it's release. 4 years after Android's release (Sept, 2012) it was sitting at 52% of the market. Let's not also forget the majority of the smartphone market is casual users and not enterprise use or governement use. Let's not also forget iOS is not going anywhere soon seeing as Apple makes the most money off of mobile than ANYONE else, prices don't matter. We also can not forget the iPhone 5c is the same cost off contract as a Lumia Icon and the ATIV SE.
    Sad but true. I'm afraid Microsoft will just stop pouring money into this pit one day. Maybe they're going for 20% by 2030 at this rate.
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    05-11-2014 04:34 PM
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