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  1. 50ShadesOfDJWS's Avatar
    Looking at the current platform state i'd say to an extent it is, but WP still has a different feel to android.
    05-26-2014 04:55 AM
  2. yunchikan's Avatar
    I've been a WP user since WP7 as well. the HTC Surround. then Samsung Focus S, Nokia Lumia 920, then now, Lumia 1020.
    The thing that got me into WP was because I was also a Zune user. I have 3 Zunes, Zune80, Zune120, ZuneHD.
    When ZuneHD came out I was so happy with it, in fact, I still use it as my mp3 player.

    When WP7 was announced, I was very excited that Microsoft adopted the Zune metro boxy design.
    Everything was strict in the design on the WP7 and I agree it seems to have loosen up.
    But like a lot of the repliers have said, it is mainly due to complaints from users. Like the most common one I would think is "the big header wasting so much space." I rather like it now in WP8.1. It is a huge step from Microsoft and I like it.

    I do agree that taking out OS integration and making them as apps is a stupid idea. One of the main reasons why I like Windows Phone is that I don't have to rely on apps. I always say iOS mainly just uses Apps, without Apps, it is kinda crippled.
    Just can't imagine WP is slowly following that idea as well. I understand making them into separate apps can provide more updates. So I am being optimistic that the future updates will make these apps amazing..........

    But anyways, I cannot think how Windows Phone is becoming like Android. I just don't see it. The UI is ugly, laggy, and unpleasant? I don't see it on my WP8.1.
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    05-26-2014 05:22 AM
  3. Aniruddh Sharma1's Avatar
    What I believe is that whatever MS does, they would not be appreciated for it. When there was proper FB integration, people cribbed about not having all the FB functions in it and now the rant is not about having the integration at all; the idea behind which is to move forward.
    People cribbed about lack of customizability and now its about the OS getting cluttered and ugly.
    So many rants about endless missing features and now when they are being added, WP is becoming like Android.
    I for one love WP 8.1 and looking forward for the rumoured Goldfinger.
    Just my two cents.
    MikeSo and forked like this.
    05-26-2014 06:24 AM
  4. oviedofreak82's Avatar
    Common practice in business, study your competitors strengths and weaknesses and build upon that and make practical and useful. Then add your own touch to make it better is the approach that Microsoft has done with 8.1. While still keeping the metro theme, I believe it has become a true competitor amongst the bug two. Plus there are so many hidden features that make me enjoy Windows Phone better now.

    For example the ability to link my design theme between my Lumia 925 & my Surface RT. If I want to change my theme on my phone, it changes it on my Surface. I can also view webpages that I browsed on my phone on my surface and vice versa. For me that's phenomenal because sometimes you want to share a webpage on a larger screen and not on a phone.

    I especially love the new WordFlow keyboard as it is faster for texting and typing for me versus tapping away at each letter. Overall, Windows Phone 8.1 is going with Microsoft's new "One Theme" and does closely bring it with its Windows & Windows RT brethren giving you the same experience and I for one love it. I consider myself to be a power user and Windows Phone/mobile has always been a handheld computer with so much to offer.
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    05-26-2014 07:21 AM
  5. Roderick Aspiras's Avatar
    They make it like Android so it's easier to convince people to switch.
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    05-26-2014 07:23 AM
  6. Jazmac's Avatar
    What does this have to do with this thread? WP8.1 is released already. It's sold on the new phones that came out last week. This has nothing to do with the phrase "developer preview".
    Wait a second. You're not saying this developers preview is what MS is releasing to new phones are you?
    05-26-2014 07:52 AM
  7. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    Wait a second. You're not saying this developers preview is what MS is releasing to new phones are you?
    Yes it is. Only that new phones are optimized using firmware, otherwise the update would be app by now
    05-26-2014 07:57 AM
  8. A895's Avatar
    They make it like Android so it's easier to convince people to switch.
    My thoughts too. If you can't have all the apps the competition has get at least most of the features/capabilities.

    Posted via Windows Phone Central App
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    05-26-2014 08:03 AM
  9. Jazmac's Avatar
    Yes it is. Only that new phones are optimized using firmware, otherwise the update would be app by now
    But this version clearly isn't ready for prime time. MS did this once with MS Vista releasing an OS that we knew had major unresolved issues during testing. 8.1 is in the same boat. I hope MS didn't put all its eggs in the Cortana basket because that in itself isn't quite enough.
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    05-26-2014 08:05 AM
  10. AMRooke's Avatar
    I was an early adopter, starting with WP7 on a Samsung Focus in 2010, then moving to a WP8 on a Lumia 920 when it was first released in 2012, and now with the Developer Preview of 8.1. I have appreciated some of the changes to WP over the years, and others have been steps backwards, as are mentioned many times across this thread. That said, the struggle for continued existence of the OS has been difficult, and it is apparent that MS is making many of the changes in hopes of getting users of other platforms to switch over, and Android has the overwhelming market share, making that the target audience.

    Hopefully, once the WP platform has cemented a viable share of the marketplace, MS can focus once again on the landmark features that drew the core users to WP in the first place. But if WP doesn't survive, then no amount of love for the old ways will matter . . .
    05-26-2014 08:15 AM
  11. mjrtoo's Avatar
    But this version clearly isn't ready for prime time. MS did this once with MS Vista releasing an OS that we knew had major unresolved issues during testing. 8.1 is in the same boat. I hope MS didn't put all its eggs in the Cortana basket because that in itself isn't quite enough.
    So go through the issues, and give your suggestions on resolution. And maybe your ideas on what would make this OS stand out. Because now, all you're doing is regurgitating something you've read elsewhere.
    05-26-2014 08:20 AM
  12. Chregu's Avatar
    Hope you understand, Yours sincerely, Dennis
    To be honest, I'm surprised how much I understand. You raise a lot of good points, and I have to agree, in this context much of Windows Phone has gotten worse.

    However, I do understand many of Microsoft's decisions, and I support many of them. Also, the lack of a notification center was terrible, most of all with Windows Phone 7. It got better with Windows Phone 8 and the customizable notifications on the lock screen, but it was still too limited. I agree however that they didn't have to copy the Android notification center. Now it's the less customizable version of the Galaxy S4 notification center.

    I also disagree on the "bugginess" of the OS. Since the second update Windows Phone 8.1 works like a charm on my 8X, it's fast and the battery is better than with Windows Phone 8. It's however true that I never noticed the calendar having to load for a while before, just as an example.

    Overall I think in the specific way I'm using my phone - I'm not on Facebook, Twitter or any other of these "social" services - 8.1 is a huge improvement. Regardless of whether it resembles Android more now.
    05-26-2014 09:23 AM
  13. manwe's Avatar
    i agree with a lot that as been said in this thread about MS losing focus, this is especially visible in the notification centre. my only hope is that this notification solution is just a patch to tide us over, because it's absolutely opposed to the entire philosophy of the OS. it's a huge problem that one of the most used features is completely incongruent with the tile based design philosophy that is metro. why not swipe to the left, or literally anything else?

    the main reason i'm with wp still is the nokia imaging prowess. but we'll see what the iphone 6 brings and if they can tidy up their design in ios8. when it comes down to it ios has the apps, android the customisation and wp had it's beautiful quirkiness. but if wp continues to compromise we'll be left with a cookie cutter os with second rate app support and customisation which would be a shame.
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    05-26-2014 09:26 AM
  14. Pierre Blackwell's Avatar
    You're answering your own questions in the midst of your empty rhetoric. You'll be waiting on what the iPhone 6 has in terms of imaging, which I'm sure Apple and Android realize WP/Nokia dominate, so if they bring optimum stabilization and purview motion will their users scream they're trying to be like WP? When the 5C was released did users complain that they were trying to copy Nokias color scheme or merely trying to enhance a necessary feature? The notification center doesn't take anything away from the core of what WP is. Its a good thing you're not the CEO for MS, because they'd be following in the destitute footsteps of Blackberry.
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    05-26-2014 09:42 AM
  15. Qtweeder's Avatar
    i recognize your sentiment and noble intentions of some of the more simplistic and effective features of older WP releases, but to substantiate your point by saying the OS is now buggy, laggy and unpleasant to mention a few of your comments is a tad too far imho, sure i dont try and take away from the fact that, that may be what you experience, but as a sweeping statement its not a fact for the majority of users, and sounds like your device/setup has issues not the entire WP8.1 OS

    i am not sure what device you are using, but 8.1 on my L920 is rock solid, stability wise, butter smooth and very pleasant to interact with, good for me i hear you cry :)

    each their own opinion and all that, but seems like MS are between a rock and hard place, criticized for remaining underdeveloped and stagnant amongst other evolving interfaces and then when they step up and provide much requested features, you, and others slam it and or its execution, the public gets what the public wants, eventually - i for one dislike the trend of thin phones, which most long for, i love tanks with some weight and bulk to them, but i dont character assassinate all the other thin phones out there cause it doesnt suit me personally.
    05-26-2014 09:58 AM
  16. Michael Kozak's Avatar
    News flash ~ Apple just recently bought Beats Audio (for a paltry $3.2 Billion) ... and ... Recently acquired Nokias top camera guy.

    Think that says anything about how corporations should run?
    Build on what you got! Don't play follow the leader.
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    05-26-2014 10:05 AM
  17. Mercule's Avatar
    Not seeing it. If WP ever starts to really feel like Android, I'm outta here. I couldn't wait to get off Android, but that's a rant I've posted elsewhere.

    Is WP changing/evolving? Yup. Is it good or bad? A bit of both. I, too, miss the hubs. By the time I'd really figured out what I could do with People, the ball had moved, which sucks. Xbox Music has been underwhelming the entire time I've had a WP, so I can't say that I've seen any degradation, there (of course, I wouldn't notice if they deleted it or made it so it only played 1980s show-tunes, in reverse -- it's just worthless). I totally disagree with you about the 8.1 layout, though; I hated the old, "narrow" layout and like having a tiled background, despite initial concerns.

    Oh, and I've come to loathe the tiled design inside apps, at least the way most are doing it. OneDrive is a prime example: I never, ever, ever want to see folder contents tiled (except photos, but I don't take many pictures) -- please just give me a list. The aesthetic of a square logo at the left of the text description is great, though.

    What do I want from WP? The happy middle-ground.

    Android is way, way too open. You're promised the world, but nothing integrates quite right, so it ends up being a hot mess of unrealized potential. There are some great apps, but the OS doesn't really come together in a way that really works for me.

    Apple is incredibly slick. It really does "just work". At least it does until you try to go off the reservation. Every news app has to implement their own "share" features, so I can either choose my news app first, then my clipping tool; or I stick with Pocket and only use the apps that have a "share to Pocket" button. (Yeah, that's overly simplistic, but makes the point.) It's Apple's walled garden, which is great when I need to recommend a device to my mom or grandmother, but causes me enough issues with my existing services to be frustrating.

    The promise of WP (and Win 8) was that it wouldn't be as flaky/fragmented as Android, but not as closed as Apple. Win 8 has the "Share charm", which works well enough, but just needs some providers. It looks like WP is moving in that direction, too. There are a number of good cloud apps for WP. And then there are (or should I say "were") the hubs. I think what we're seeing, right now, are growing pains around the hubs and associated APIs. If that's the case, that it'll hurt for a little while (not more than a few months, if they're serious about not being the next WebOS), but it'll better realize that middle-ground potential.

    All that said, though, WP is in a tight spot, right now. They have a core fan base (that's us), but that base isn't enough on its own to a) keep WP as a core product, internally (conjecture); b) demand apps from providers like Android and Apple do; or c) draw the same level of quality for the apps that do make it. If MS changes WP, they risk alienating the existing base. If they don't, they pretty much guarantee the platform will languish in the realm of corporate hobby, which will ultimately mean even the existing base will erode as other platforms adopt/adapt distinguishing features from WP.

    Honestly, it's issue C, above, that concerns me the most. Microsoft clearly sees the mobile space as a do-or-die endeavor, so there's no immediate risk, there. All things being equal, MS has the deep pockets to maintain WP until it hits a point of "critical mass" adoption that gets developers' attention. If, however, there is some problem inherent in the underlying platform that is undermining the quality of apps (my peeves are Pandora and Kindle, right now), then there is zero chance that the platform can survive because it'll be impossible to create apps with the same polish as, say, Apple. Not having built any WP (or WinRT) apps, I'm not about to say there are issues with the underlying platform. I suspect the developers are just phoning it in or (in the case of Kindle) subtly pushing people toward other platforms without actually alienating their own base. Regardless, I want more apps on WP that are at least as good as the iOS equivalent.

    That was way more than I intended to write, but I got to thinking out loud.
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    05-26-2014 10:36 AM
  18. Pierre Blackwell's Avatar
    News flash ~ Apple just recently bought Beats Audio (for a paltry $3.2 Billion) ... and ... Recently acquired Nokias top camera guy.

    Think that says anything about how corporations should run?
    Build on what you got! Don't play follow the leader.
    You pretty much contradicted yourself. Apple brought in Nokias purview guy for the very reason that they know Nokia leads the mobile realm when it comes to cameras on phones. Looks like following the leader to me. Apple launched their iTunes radio and it didn't gain any traction. So, they decided to bring in a music leader in Beats to enhance their streaming experience and re-energize iTunes. Android and WP already have these features so again seems like following the leader to me.
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    05-26-2014 10:47 AM
  19. Michael Kozak's Avatar
    My point was .... Apple didn't REALLY change their product, by adding Beats + camera guy. They are simply improving their product. Not making wholesale changes to their core product .... But rather fine tuning things that work. And work well. If I need to be more specific. ๐Ÿ˜Ž
    Last edited by Michael Kozak; 05-26-2014 at 11:08 AM.
    05-26-2014 10:56 AM
  20. Jazmac's Avatar
    My point was .... Apple didn't REALLY change things by adding Beats + camera guy. They are simply improving their product. Not making wholesale changes to their base. Fine tuning things if I need to be more specific.
    Good point. Did they actually go through with the purchase of Beats? Lets see, Beats, camera guy from Nokia and Apple has a knack with utilizing good talent and the prospect of a larger phone for those eyes that might need a larger screen in their base. Yeah, its about the fine tune.
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    05-26-2014 11:03 AM
  21. Pierre Blackwell's Avatar
    I get what you're saying, but cant you apply that same logic to what WP did? Think about this, Apple is keeping things real secretive before the Mobile Conference. They used WPs flat display for their icons instead of their traditional layout to give it more pop, but I think both Apple and Android will try to adopt some sort of live tile presentation for their ecosystems. Apple knows the presentation of their ecosystem is becoming stale so expect some pretty radical changes to inject newness back. WP for the most part has brought in a lot of great improvements without compromising the nucleus of what WP is. I can still set my phone down and watch the Android and iphone users flock over inquiring what it is. That's the microcosm of what WP wants.
    05-26-2014 11:06 AM
  22. Jorge Holguin's Avatar
    Something that grind my gears is to keep reading people complain about WP 8.1. beta software - software that has not yet been released but has received an alpha test and still has more bugs than a regular release; "beta software is usually available only to particular users who will test it" <a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/beta+software">beta software</a> . Here you have it, in case you did not know what "beta software" means.

    MS explicitly stated that this 'beta release' would have some bugs and it may lags once in a while that if you were to download this MS were not responsible of any of this bugs for the time being and that this preview was optional "no mandatory" for users. So, can we stop complaining about WP 8.1? Seriously; its getting annoying.
    As for WP becoming Android? Well I don't think so. Does MS have to step up its game and get the best from iOS and Android? Yes, if it want to stay relevant in this harsh and hard mobile industry. Does iOS and Android use some technology from WP aka MS? Yes they do. Does that mean they are becoming WP? Nope. There is no doubt that WP is the , faster, clean and unique OS in the market, period.
    05-26-2014 11:09 AM
  23. A895's Avatar
    I get what you're saying, but cant you apply that same logic to what WP did? Think about this, Apple is keeping things real secretive before the Mobile Conference. They used WPs flat display for their icons instead of their traditional layout to give it more pop, but I think both Apple and Android will try to adopt some sort of live tile presentation for their ecosystems. Apple knows the presentation of their ecosystem is becoming stale so expect some pretty radical changes to inject newness back. WP for the most part has brought in a lot of great improvements without compromising the nucleus of what WP is. I can still set my phone down and watch the Android and iphone users flock over inquiring what it is. That's the microcosm of what WP wants.
    Love tiles for Android? We currently have widgets which are more Functional than Live Tiles.

    For example I have a calendar/tasks widget which I just hit a little symbol to directly make a Google Tasks list all without entering any app. The widget also displays a scrollable list of upcoming events. Live Tiles can't do that.

    Sent from my XT907 using Mobile Nations mobile app
    05-26-2014 11:13 AM
  24. Pierre Blackwell's Avatar
    I look at it as transitioning to a new WP experience, not adopting Android. Remember MS made this move with Windows 8. The move proved too radical for some but it still showcased its uniqueness. This is the direction WP is going. Building off the foundation. Tweaking things and fine tuning things. They've already informed us that there would be multiple updates, which I think was intentional to provide the new Update while still shaping it.
    05-26-2014 11:13 AM
  25. Michael Kozak's Avatar
    I believe at present "jazmac" the FCC is looking into the acquisition by Apple. Don't get me started on government regs now - LOL ๐Ÿ˜.

    But yeah ... It should go through. ๐Ÿ˜Ž
    05-26-2014 11:15 AM
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