08-22-2014 03:01 PM
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  1. newneo's Avatar
    I get back in the WP world not 3 weeks ago. I'm excited about the Lumia 930, Cortana, folders, maybe new apps that are supported. Get my new device home and Cortana isn't on it... Hang about, haven't I got the latest software? Oh but I'm in the UK we don't have it... Ok, lets set up quiet hours... Bugger that's linked to Cortana.. So don't have the new assistant, I cant set quiet hours. Now we have update 1 ooooh here's more of what you MIGHT get. I am so pissed off and feel completely let down by MS this is some shoddy work, Hal arsed and embarrassing. I don't want to go back to IOS I have plenty of issues with that OS and it's lack of joined up thinking but damn the developers get the apps right over there. A case in point Spotify, is again the ugliest Hal baked buggy as hell app on WP if Microsoft isn't taking the OS seriously in the rest of the world (you know where it's bigger than in the states) why the hell would developers? For the record Spotify reckon they are going to be showing some love but hell,I'm not holding my breath. Meanwhile there are loads of apps coming out for the Indian market (I know WPCentral keep telling me) but naff all for the worldwide market. This has to change or this fabulous infuriating OS will die on it's arse. Sorry for the rant but just my thoughts.... Oh and briefly whatsapp and all those apps that look god awful on 1080p screens, please sort it out
    08-20-2014 05:12 PM
  2. manwe's Avatar
    there's cortana in the uk.
    k72 likes this.
    08-20-2014 05:32 PM
  3. newneo's Avatar
    How exactly do I get that? Please don't say developer preview or some kind of beta cause, you know that's not in the UK as such. That's not for the average Joe. Oh sand why bury quiet hours in Cortana? Dumb.
    08-20-2014 05:39 PM
  4. Jas00555's Avatar
    Cortana - it's there, you have to enable it.
    Update 1 - I don't understand what you're saying at all. You can get it via developer preview. Doesn't make any sense.
    Apps - Microsoft doesn't own Spotify or WhatsApp, or any of these 3rd party apps, so they can't force those to be better.

    I suggest doing research into an OS before buying into it.
    aximtreo and DavidinCT like this.
    08-20-2014 05:40 PM
  5. Jas00555's Avatar
    How exactly do I get that? Please don't say developer preview or some kind of beta cause, you know that's not in the UK as such. That's not for the average Joe. Oh sand why bury quiet hours in Cortana? Dumb.
    It's in beta in the UK (just like it is in the US), so you should just have enable it.

    Developer preview - I told my non-techie, still on Vista friend with a Windows Phone that 8.1 is out. He looked it up without me and enabled it saying "wow, that was super simple" so yes it is easy. You're only hurting yourself by not enrolling.
    08-20-2014 05:45 PM
  6. newneo's Avatar
    Cortana - it's there, you have to enable it.
    Update 1 - I don't understand what you're saying at all. You can get it via developer preview. Doesn't make any sense.
    Apps - Microsoft doesn't own Spotify or WhatsApp, or any of these 3rd party apps, so they can't force those to be better.

    I suggest doing research into an OS before buying into it.
    Ok iI was there in the early days of the OS wp 7 I understand the OS oh so the campaign banging on about Cortana yet it's still in beta? You dint see what the problem is there? So I have to enter it? Where exactly do I do that? For the record my job is IT support of it's not obvious to me how can it be obvious to the average user?

    I know those apps have nothing to do with MS that wasn't my point but MS can enforce some rules for scaling for example if Apple can manage it Microsoft can.
    08-20-2014 06:02 PM
  7. aikidaves's Avatar
    Ok iI was there in the early days of the OS wp 7 I understand the OS oh so the campaign banging on about Cortana yet it's still in beta? You dint see what the problem is there? So I have to enter it? Where exactly do I do that? For the record my job is IT support of it's not obvious to me how can it be obvious to the average user?

    I know those apps have nothing to do with MS that wasn't my point but MS can enforce some rules for scaling for example if Apple can manage it Microsoft can.
    Cortana is in beta in the US and the UK. Apple advertised Siri while it was in beta, so I imagine MS is just taking a page from their playbook.

    To enable Cortana in the UK, you have two options:
    1. Set your phone up as a US phone and use the US beta.
    2. Install the Preview for Developers and then install the GDR1 Update preview to get the UK beta.

    Or you can just wait for the GDR1 update to be released. I haven't seen any announcement about when to expect that.

    I hope as a fellow IT professional (I've been programming for over 35 years) that you recognize that Microsoft has limited Windows Phone resources, in fact much more limited than Apple has iPhone resources. People on this site tend not to recognize or respect that fact, but it is nonetheless true.
    08-20-2014 06:15 PM
  8. Geddeeee's Avatar
    Obviously the OP is not loving the WP experience.. Maybe a move to Android might be more up your street. It will probably suit your needs better...
    08-20-2014 06:18 PM
  9. sleeve22's Avatar
    There is a separate stand alone quiet hours app. I've had that installed for months long before 8.1.
    08-20-2014 06:30 PM
  10. switch side method's Avatar
    You don't need developer preview to get cortana so no need to sign up. If you have 8.1 and cyan all you have to do is 3 simple steps

    Change keyboard to usa English
    Change language to usa English
    Change region to usa

    That's it...simple each of these 3 steps will do a restart.you cant change all 3 then restart the phone. You need to do it one at a time.

    Also make sure the American changes is above the English. For instance on keyboard

    English (united states)
    English (united kingdom)

    Otherwise it wont work and when you change to American language your phone will download the extra settings so let that happens.

    Hope that helps
    Laura Knotek and newneo like this.
    08-20-2014 06:40 PM
  11. theefman's Avatar
    Obviously the OP is not loving the WP experience.. Maybe a move to Android might be more up your street. It will probably suit your needs better...


    Yep, sounds like a return would be the best course of action at this point.
    08-20-2014 06:47 PM
  12. newneo's Avatar
    Yep, sounds like a return would be the best course of action at this point.
    I've got Cortana enabled now. Again my point isn't that I hate the OS I actually think it's brilliant it's just some of the number headed decisions that have been made regarding it. I don't want to see this fail.
    switch side method likes this.
    08-20-2014 07:12 PM
  13. switch side method's Avatar
    I blame the advertising (in the UK at least) apple does a great advertising job on tv. For instance it shows you how apps can be used to assist in every day life. But for Nokia Lumia... Just some dozy woman holding a phone chatting sht...that's it..doesn't show what it can do
    08-20-2014 07:31 PM
  14. newneo's Avatar
    Yep, sounds like a return would be the best course of action at this point.
    Let me just say... WP can't afford to have returns, it will die a slow wiithering death if that happens across the board and we'll be left with a 2 choice market and frankly that isn't a good thing.
    08-21-2014 02:38 AM
  15. newneo's Avatar
    I blame the advertising (in the UK at least) apple does a great advertising job on tv. For instance it shows you how apps can be used to assist in every day life. But for Nokia Lumia... Just some dozy woman holding a phone chatting sht...that's it..doesn't show what it can do
    Yeah advertising over here is shocking, not the lack of it just the ad's themselves they would have more success with the webuyanycar ad agency!
    08-21-2014 02:40 AM
  16. reves's Avatar
    Australia is being given the same treatment. Cortana is hardly working. I just stick to US region.
    08-21-2014 02:46 AM
  17. manwe's Avatar
    1. you don't need to switch your region to us, there's a uk version of cortana
    2. siri is STILL in beta, so why shouldn't cortana be? the whole personal assistant thing is a gimmick anyway
    3. enrolling in the developer preview is ridiculously simple. you download it from the store and sign up with your microsoft account. no risks, no hassle. or you could just wait for cyan, if you don't already have it. it IS for the average customer, as you can see from the millions of users that have signed up to it.

    there's a lot of problems with WP, but the ones you listed can be remedied very easily, and frankly are no fault of the os.
    08-21-2014 06:14 AM
  18. theefman's Avatar
    Let me just say... WP can't afford to have returns, it will die a slow wiithering death if that happens across the board and we'll be left with a 2 choice market and frankly that isn't a good thing.


    If a product doesn't live up to its claims of course it should be returned, WP is no different. Especially when it seems the level of effort is not where it should be, just look at the sloth like 8.1 update rollout, its pathetic to watch. WP is a brilliantly designed but poorly executed and promoted OS, Microsoft really should be embarrassed at how poorly its doing, purely down to their incompetence.
    chezm likes this.
    08-21-2014 07:05 AM
  19. Malay Agarwal's Avatar
    Releasing Cortana in beta is not a bad decision.
    This beta is unlike other betas on WP
    This beta actually gets updated on user's demands. It does not stay stagnant.
    It is a real "Beta" which is continuously being developed into a more powerful system...Get that correct
    08-21-2014 07:23 AM
  20. switch side method's Avatar
    It's good to know that the connect speeds up Cortana's learning process...should be polished in a few months and ready to be officially done
    08-21-2014 08:04 AM
  21. tgp's Avatar
    Let me just say... WP can't afford to have returns, it will die a slow wiithering death if that happens across the board and we'll be left with a 2 choice market and frankly that isn't a good thing.
    If a product doesn't live up to its claims of course it should be returned, WP is no different.
    Indeed! There's a motto on the wall near my desk at work with a quote by Bill Gates himself:

    "Your most unhappy customers are your greatest source of learning."

    Here's the quote.
    08-21-2014 08:36 AM
  22. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    I'm sorry you're having an awful experience with it. Of course all the wonderful features you have stated are only on Developer Preview. Cortana UK requires Windows Phone 8.1.1 or Windows Phone 8.1 but every set to the USA. Live Folder is also only on Developer Preview, however Nokia made a Folders application during the Windows 8.0 days, while not the same, it's better than nothing.
    realwarder and newneo like this.
    08-21-2014 08:25 PM
  23. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Better to be pissed off than pissed on. Being an intelligent consumer, you did do your homework and check to see if the features you need/want were available in your region didn't you? From what I read, none of your gripes are Microsoft's fault.
    08-21-2014 08:58 PM
  24. stevemind's Avatar
    Hey ho, no sympathy from me! I'm baffled why trolls come on here giving a reason not to like it.....NO os is perfect, never will be, But I think its cool and fresh and my opinion only matters to me.
    08-21-2014 09:15 PM
  25. EspHack's Avatar
    all you need to do is read... read carefully, what wp can or cant do at this moment, spreading your anger on this forum wont help you
    08-21-2014 10:06 PM
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