10-01-2014 05:51 PM
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  1. OwenDL's Avatar
    I've been looking around and after seeing a friend use an NFC tag to easily set his Galaxy 4 to Alarm mode, my first reaction was of course "Hey! I wonder if my phone can do that!"

    So how far does WP8.1 go as far as NFC tags? I've read it's limited compared to other phone OS, but those were dated articles. Are NFC tags worth spending some money on?

    Thanks!
    09-08-2014 11:27 PM
  2. slyronit's Avatar
    As far as I know, the experience is not good/seamless. E.g. If you want an NFC tag to launch an app, after touching your phone to the tag, it will first ask for a confirmation and then launch an app. I don't think there's a way to change modes etc at all. You can launch the respective settings but then have to manually change.
    09-08-2014 11:41 PM
  3. slyronit's Avatar
    Correction. In 8.1, you can actually launch apps using NFC enabled Nokia accessories without a prompt.

    Not sure of generic NFC tags or if you can toggle modes.
    09-09-2014 12:33 AM
  4. Chris_Kez's Avatar
    I've been meaning to read revisit NFC tags. I bought some when I got my 920 and quickly put them away. I'm pretty sure you still can't use them to change settings or perform multiple, chained actions- but launching an app with a tap may be useful somewhere.
    09-09-2014 12:56 AM
  5. RumoredNow's Avatar
    I played with NFC Tags on Android and still have a few somewhere... Been meaning to test this.
    09-09-2014 11:56 AM
  6. OwenDL's Avatar
    I'd love to hear your results. Considering buying some just to test, but it'd be great to hear how it goes. NFC tags really seem like they could be useful, it'd be a shame if Windows Phones don't use them to their potential.
    09-09-2014 12:38 PM
  7. NutmegState's Avatar
    Does anyone know where WP 8.1 is with Mobile Payments? I see the "Tap to Pay" option in the NFC settings screen but this area seems to be notably silent. I understand I need a special SIM, I assume AT&T has these now that iPhone 6 is available. According to Wallet App documentation, that is all that is needed.

    Anyone know if this is working?
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    09-09-2014 02:25 PM
  8. Arun3's Avatar
    Does anyone know where WP 8.1 is with Mobile Payments? I see the "Tap to Pay" option in the NFC settings screen but this area seems to be notably silent. I understand I need a special SIM, I assume AT&T has these now that iPhone 6 is available. According to Wallet App documentation, that is all that is needed.

    Anyone know if this is working?
    Yeah... Would like to know the same... Can we do payments using our Wphone?
    09-09-2014 02:33 PM
  9. DavidinCT's Avatar
    Yeah... Would like to know the same... Can we do payments using our Wphone?
    Wondering too as Apple announced "Apple pay"....a NFC thing...
    09-09-2014 02:53 PM
  10. petteriusa's Avatar
    I was going to start a thread on this, but I see people are already asking the same. Now that the iOS juggernaut has NFC on board, where does this leave WP users? Can we expect seamless integration using the Wallet on our phones?

    How about other third party uses?
    09-09-2014 02:53 PM
  11. Arun3's Avatar
    I guess, it's true when some people say "When Apple does things, the do it really well" Nothing half-baked...We have had NFC for more than a year...to improve upon..
    Apple will get credited for making NFC payments the norm... (nothing wrong in that, per say)
    tgp likes this.
    09-09-2014 03:24 PM
  12. foxbat121's Avatar
    I guess, it's true when some people say "When Apple does things, the do it really well" Nothing half-baked...We have had NFC for more than a year...to improve upon..
    Apple will get credited for making NFC payments the norm... (nothing wrong in that, per say)
    We have NFC on Android for couple years now. Nothing useful out of it.
    09-09-2014 03:34 PM
  13. Arun3's Avatar
    We have NFC on Android for couple years now. Nothing useful out of it.
    It's not if you have it or not.. It is about how you execute it... If you saw/read the blogs, you see that they roped in all major creditcard companies and even major stores (even wholefoods), that take the Apple mode of payment using their phone/watch... That's the way to do it.. there ARE quite a few things others could learn from Apple...
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    09-09-2014 04:20 PM
  14. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Tap-to-Pay.

    There seems to be some competing standards out there. I got the Advanced or "Isis" SIM from T-MoUS and activated it. All Tap-to-Pay is enabled... Went to a Walgreen that is on a Mastercard TtP System and no go. Just a bleep from their reader and nothing on my 1520.3.

    ​I think we need Isis (Now Softcard) App for WinPho.
    09-09-2014 04:21 PM
  15. foxbat121's Avatar
    It's not if you have it or not.. It is about how you execute it... If you saw/read the blogs, you see that they roped in all major creditcard companies and even major stores (even wholefoods), that take the Apple mode of payment using their phone/watch... That's the way to do it.. there ARE quite a few things others could learn from Apple...
    Agreed. On Android, Google at least has its own payment system to use it on (although not approved by any US carriers). It remains to be seen that how Apple's system pans out. Too many competing payment systems out there.
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    09-09-2014 04:35 PM
  16. tgp's Avatar
    (although not approved by any US carriers)
    That's what's great about Google's tap to pay system; the carriers cannot block it! (if the device is running KitKat)

    Sent from whatever device I happen to be using today using Tapatalk
    09-09-2014 04:38 PM
  17. inteller's Avatar
    It seems Windows Phone is going to get left out in the cold on this deal.

    Apple Pay, integrates into the OS, uses some secure chip and the fingerprint id doodad....no carrier intervention.

    Google Wallet, integrated into the OS, not sure how it secures payment info...no carrier intervention.

    Windows Phone Wallet....Needs apps to integrate into the Wallet, needs an ISIS chip or whatever the **** from a ****ty carrier to work...

    Once again Microsoft sided with corporations instead of users and we get the shaft.
    09-09-2014 04:42 PM
  18. foxbat121's Avatar
    That's what's great about Google's tap to pay system; the carriers cannot block it! (if the device is running KitKat)

    Sent from whatever device I happen to be using today using Tapatalk
    If you buy a carrier branded phone, they can still block the Google Wallet app. I had my Nexus 5 for almost a year now and yet to find a place that can use the Google Wallet payment system. That's the biggest problem. Carriers in US are promoting their own ISIS system. Now Apple has another. Stores have no idea which payment system it should have and can't afford to have them all supported.
    09-09-2014 07:33 PM
  19. jhoff80's Avatar
    The readers are all generic. They'll support Isis/Softcard, Apple Pay, Google Wallet, or RFID-embedded credit cards.

    The thing is that Google strongarmed the carriers with Google Wallet, and then they immediately pushed back and wanted a piece of the pie. Microsoft wasn't in a position to strongarm anyone at all, and so they had to work with the carriers (to their own detriment, as nothing has happened there yet). Apple, on the other hand, is big enough to be able to strongarm the carriers again for exactly what they want.
    09-09-2014 07:59 PM
  20. tgp's Avatar
    If you buy a carrier branded phone, they can still block the Google Wallet app. I had my Nexus 5 for almost a year now and yet to find a place that can use the Google Wallet payment system. That's the biggest problem. Carriers in US are promoting their own ISIS system. Now Apple has another. Stores have no idea which payment system it should have and can't afford to have them all supported.
    No, the carriers cannot block Google Wallet tap and pay if the device is running KitKat. However, there are a few devices running KitKat that cannot use tap and pay due to hardware restrictions. They're listed here:

    • Samsung Galaxy Note III
    • Evo 4G LTE
    • Nexus 7 (2012)

    I know what you mean about not being able to find places to use tap and pay. Around here I can use it at McDonald's, Walgreens, and CVS. There are also a few local businesses that have it. Hopefully with iPhone 6 getting tap and pay, it will become mainstream very quickly!
    09-09-2014 08:57 PM
  21. uselessrobot's Avatar
    Thanks to the success of the iPhone and the fact that executives and middle managers are still infatuated with everything Apple, the company has clout. Apple has the power to dictate how things will work. You'd think Google would have some leverage as well, but the iPhone always gets prioritized over anything else. Microsoft, unfortunately, is a non-entity in the mobile world.

    For this reason, it doesn't matter how good Google or Microsoft implements anything, because everyone's going to wait until Apple does it. When that happens they then go out of their way to ensure it specifically plays nice with them. As a bonus this reinforces the It Just WorksTM messaging Apple keeps spouting.

    Meanwhile, Microsoft, like a battered spouse, keeps bending over backwards to appease carriers who almost seem to be intentionally sabotaging Windows Phone.
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    09-09-2014 10:02 PM
  22. inteller's Avatar
    The readers are all generic. They'll support Isis/Softcard, Apple Pay, Google Wallet, or RFID-embedded credit cards.

    The thing is that Google strongarmed the carriers with Google Wallet, and then they immediately pushed back and wanted a piece of the pie. Microsoft wasn't in a position to strongarm anyone at all, and so they had to work with the carriers (to their own detriment, as nothing has happened there yet). Apple, on the other hand, is big enough to be able to strongarm the carriers again for exactly what they want.
    Apple has an increasingly shrinking marketshare. They are treading on their legendary status and that's about it. If carriers wanted to block this on the phones they sold they could certainly do it these days. We need a good ole fashioned carriers vs Apple war cause in the end the carriers would lose if Apple started selling direct.
    09-10-2014 09:21 AM
  23. DavidinCT's Avatar
    We have NFC on Android for couple years now. Nothing useful out of it.
    Yea, NFC has been a total failure in the US at least. Word were that NFC would be used for payment a long time ago, same with Android. Yea, Apple job copied the tech and put their own spin on it, sure but, I hope they actually DO SOMETHING with it more than a file transfer service on your phone

    It would be nice to be able to use this and not really need to carry a wallet around accept for my license to drive and cash. Of course that is too much to ask, just make the tech work...

    So far NFC a joke, maybe this Apple pay thing will work out and slowly work on WP devices....or at least make a standard for all mobile devices...
    09-10-2014 09:27 AM
  24. jhoff80's Avatar
    Apple has an increasingly shrinking marketshare. They are treading on their legendary status and that's about it.
    First of all, you're just plain wrong.
    comScore reported is survey results for US smartphone market shares and it shows that even though Apple's iPhone 5c and 5s are almost a year old that the company gained market share for the third consecutive month and in four of the past five months. From a year ago when Apple had 40.4% of US smartphone share based on a three month average it increased to 41.4% in April and 42.4% in July.
    Apple's iPhone Gains US Share Even Before iPhone 6 Launch - Forbes

    Secondly, you're kidding yourself if you think that actually matters in this situation. Even at 20% of the market they'd still have the strength to be able to push the carriers around far more than Microsoft can at less than 5%. I'd love to see Microsoft do their own payment system WITHOUT needing carrier support. I just don't think they'll be able to manage it unless the carriers give up on Softcard entirely.
    09-10-2014 09:29 AM
  25. foxbat121's Avatar
    The readers are all generic. They'll support Isis/Softcard, Apple Pay, Google Wallet, or RFID-embedded credit cards.
    Reader hardware could be generic but the payment system behind it is not. I have seen readers that only support ISIS but not Google Wallet and vise versa.
    RumoredNow likes this.
    09-10-2014 10:33 AM
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