09-26-2014 12:23 PM
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  1. iamtim's Avatar
    I'm not sure why there is a Skype App authored by Microsoft either.
    ...you do realize that Microsoft owns Skype, yes? That Skype is not only a VOIP system, but it's Microsoft's consumer-level IM solution as well? That a Skype app authored by Skype is, in fact, a Skype app authored by Microsoft?

    I guess I'm not sure why you feel that any app not important to you shouldn't be important to anybody.
    Really? You've been around here longer than I have: you should know that's the WPC way! :D
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    09-23-2014 04:18 PM
  2. RumoredNow's Avatar
    It's not that I feel "if I don't use it, no one else needs it."

    People want to use Facebook, Twitter, etc., etc. Understood.

    I don't understand the push to make the OS responsible for it. I keep hearing "I want it." How is that more reasonable than what I'm accused of: "I don't want it," which I've never said is my argument? Yet again, I am answered with "I want it, my wife wants it, my neighbor wants it." That in no way addresses why Microsoft must provide it. I say if Facebook doesn't want to, and 3rd developers haven't supplied the App, oh well... Take the requests to them. Not the OS provider. And no more anecdotal evidence such as my sister's friend Cindy didn't buy a phone because it didn't have Facebook integration. Hard stats people, not hearsay.

    As for Skype being owned by Microsoft, that is news for me. Live and learn.

    Again the question is WHY does Microsoft bear the burden of supplying Facebook rather than Facebook itself?

    Again, "I feel that Microsoft won't sell phones without it" needs stats for backup and "I want my Facebook so bad my OS better write the App" is viewed by me with a very skeptical eye. I want a Bank App for mobile deposit. I would never expect Microsoft to author/maintain/update it. I would never decry them for not tying it into as many API's as they can on an ongoing basis. I view that type of App as the purview of my banking provider and no other. How does Facebook magically differ?

    BTW and FWIW... I scoff at the App Gap hype created so long ago by Apple and perpetuated by Google as well now. I think tech media has really gotten the public (forum users in particular) to parrot this a ridiculous amount of the time. It seems to have become some sort of mantra that is meant to answer questions of a deeper nature, but really fails to do so under closer scrutiny.
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    09-23-2014 05:53 PM
  3. Aleksandar Andreev's Avatar
    NO.If you want whatsapp,fine you have the app,messenger,fine you have the app,skype is a very old platform and me,and I believe many of us have been using it for years which means that we have contacts there that we don`t have on facebook for some reason,me personally I use Skype to talk to people abroad and I am very happy that MS have Skype integrated,as for Facebook,no one said there should be no facebook app for WP,or that it`s not important,but really,is it that important,use it if you want to why the **** should it be integrated,some people think that the world is spinning around facebook,well fortunately it isn`t.
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    09-23-2014 06:03 PM
  4. iamtim's Avatar
    Again the question is WHY does Microsoft bear the burden of supplying Facebook rather than Facebook itself?
    Do you really need this spelled out to you?

    Facebook has publicly stated they will not make a Windows Phone app. Microsoft wants to sell their phones to the Facebooking crowd. What choice does Microsoft have other than write the Facebook app themselves?
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    09-23-2014 07:10 PM
  5. gwinegarden's Avatar
    No!
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    09-23-2014 07:45 PM
  6. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Do you really need this spelled out to you?

    Facebook has publicly stated they will not make a Windows Phone app. Microsoft wants to sell their phones to the Facebooking crowd. What choice does Microsoft have other than write the Facebook app themselves?
    Really? That's it. The answer again comes to "Oh, they just HAVE to." Or what? Or NOT.

    Earlier it was quoted about the 1 billion downloads of FB App from Google Play. That doesn't mean 1 billion hardcore Android users on Facebook significant amounts of time. Still, the closest to a source anyone saying FB is so important has come up with.

    Look inside this article:
    Facebook Passes 1.23 Billion Monthly Active Users

    All mobile platforms combined, Facebook still sees less than a billion using an App once a month. Mobile daily active users are only 556 million across all platforms. And if Microsoft stopped wasting resources on a Facebook App, how many of those would go to another platform just for that one App? No one knows. I'd love to see a stat, not conjecture, on how many users change platform for just one App and which App that is. Try as I might, I've yet to find any stats on that...

    So it is still just conjecture and "Microsoft HAS to, because no one else will..." I'm not buying it. If Facebook weren't available by browser and common sense didn't dictate that hardcore FB users have already abandoned this platform for official FB Apps elsewhere I might be persuaded.

    Otherwise I'm still only hearing "I want" and no reasons why Microsoft needs to make a Facebook App. The fact that Facebook states publicly (according to iamtim) they will not make an App for Windows Phone sounds more like a reason for Windows Phone to reciprocate the lack of support. It's Microsoft Corporation, not Uncle Jimmy's Cellstraveganza Start-up Bonanza for crying out loud. Microsoft should strip Facebook support out of all their products, mobile and otherwise... When someone in business at that level makes that kind of statement it deserves reprisal, not smootchy faces. Yet Facebook fans on WP continue to support a 3rd party service that dismisses them...

    Honestly, ask yourself which is more important, which you would rather have... A Windows Phone or Facebook on a small screen?
    09-23-2014 09:15 PM
  7. Jazmac's Avatar
    I don't think any 3rd party app should be integrated with WP. I think it sets up a security risk that only a full update of the phone could fix. Can you imagine if Microsoft had integrated Facebook Messenger spyware in and you couldn't get it out?

    It was a cool selling point with WP 7 but to continue the practice is unnecessary. WP is here and it has scores of apps to work with. I don't have a problem with scaling to WP but there is no need for integration of a third party application. None.
    09-23-2014 10:07 PM
  8. iamtim's Avatar
    ​Really? That's it. The answer again comes to "Oh, they just HAVE to." Or what? Or NOT.
    You're not getting it, are you?

    Microsoft *wants* to sell to the Facebook crowd. It's *their* decision to make the app, because *they* want to tap into that market. And, to answer your question: if not? Then they can't sell to the Facebook crowd. Obviously it is important enough to them to put resources into it.

    Personally, I don't care if there's a FB app or not, I freakin' hate FB. But I'm not so short-sighted that I can't see 556 million daily users as a sizable market that would be stupid to ignore.

    So it is still just conjecture and "Microsoft HAS to, because no one else will..."
    No, it's "Microsoft WANTS to, because no one else will..."

    Otherwise I'm still only hearing "I want" and no reasons why Microsoft needs to make a Facebook App.
    Microsoft NEEDS to make a Facebook app because Microsoft WANTS to sell phones to Facebook users. It's... that simple.
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    09-23-2014 10:12 PM
  9. andyqkw's Avatar
    Nah. Skype should be to Microsoft as iMessage is to Apple; however, Microsoft should first have to upgrade the Skype experience on WP to at least match - if not exceed - the experience on iOS. Which is heads and tails above WP. Just like all of MS's mobile apps.
    Problem is, Microsoft can release an update supporting iOS 8 within days of it's release but couldn't do a decent job in supporting Windows Phone 8 years after it purchase Skype?
    09-24-2014 07:31 AM
  10. Vitaliy Radovanski's Avatar
    I'm simply used to Skype and it's a problem for me to switch to something different.
    09-24-2014 08:02 AM
  11. RumoredNow's Avatar
    You're not getting it, are you?
    Let us be clear here. Me not agreeing with it, me not supporting it, me advocating actively against it; none of that means I don't understand the base issues and why Microsoft graciously supplies a Facebook App for Windows Phone users...


    Microsoft *wants* to sell to the Facebook crowd. It's *their* decision to make the app, because *they* want to tap into that market. And, to answer your question: if not? Then they can't sell to the Facebook crowd. Obviously it is important enough to them to put resources into it.

    Personally, I don't care if there's a FB app or not, I freakin' hate FB. But I'm not so short-sighted that I can't see 556 million daily users as a sizable market that would be stupid to ignore.
    See? Now you used verbiage that the Facebook gotta-haves will not. Microsoft WANTS to. I agree they wanted to and will further stipulate that they will continue to do as much or as little as they want to in terms of supporting Facebook use on their mobile devices.

    That isn't the issue here in this thread. The OP wants Facebook integration so deep it must be baked into the OS in a non-removable way. I say no.

    Many staunch Facebook users state quite clearly Microsoft MUST support Facebook use by providing an App, updating the App, fixing the App, concentrating on the App as if Facebook should somehow be a priority for Microsoft. To this also, I say no. And when questioned why Microsoft needs to prioritize Facebook more highly; the answer is invariably, "I want it," (at which I snort in derision) or, "users will flee in huge numbers and Windows Phone will fail." To this last, I demand that some sort of legitimate statistical evidence be brought forth.

    What I vociferously object to is the notion that someone is holding a metaphorical gun to the head of Microsoft so they just better fork over the Facebook and at a level that satisfies FB users in a most pleasing way... Please. It's just a time waster, like so many other things we do on our smart devices because they have so much superfluous capacity above and beyond comm and connectivity.

    If Microsoft knuckles under to this sort of pressure, where does it end? Why would any 3rd party service write Apps for this platform when Microsoft will take the effort and expense onto themselves? What's next? Twitter, Instagram, Play Station support?


    No, it's "Microsoft WANTS to, because no one else will..."
    Wants to? ABSOLUTELY. And at their own discretion and level of support.

    Have to? Must? I call BS on that. Calm down about your toy and go peddle your boogeyman stories somewhere else.


    Microsoft NEEDS to make a Facebook app because Microsoft WANTS to sell phones to Facebook users. It's... that simple.
    I don't buy that idea of Windows Phone loosing huge numbers if they don't prioritize Facebook highly. Show me.


    On a personal note... I will not ever have the People Tile on my Start Screen in any size other than smallest. It makes it wink the Facebook symbol at me when the portraits flip even though Facebook is removed from my phone. This is just ridiculous. I purchased a Windows Phone (actually the third one now in about a year) not a Facebook phone. How much more love and support do the Facebook people want? Why is what Microsoft gave freely not ever enough?
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    09-24-2014 10:43 AM
  12. Jack Janik's Avatar
    This thread has sadly turned into a petty argument..
    To add my two cents to this whole Facebook talk, although many on here dislike it, (for good reason I admit) I've yet to come upon an easier way to follow my favorite obscure metal bands. I've tried RSS, Twitter, Tumblr, hell, even Google+ but I still haven't found one.. And if someone does tell me one, I'll gladly swallow my pride and thank you, but until then, myself, -and many others I'm sure- will stick with Facebook.
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    09-24-2014 04:37 PM
  13. RumoredNow's Avatar
    This thread has sadly turned into a petty argument..
    To add my two cents to this whole Facebook talk, although many on here dislike it, (for good reason I admit) I've yet to come upon an easier way to follow my favorite obscure metal bands. I've tried RSS, Twitter, Tumblr, hell, even Google+ but I still haven't found one.. And if someone does tell me one, I'll gladly swallow my pride and thank you, but until then, myself, -and many others I'm sure- will stick with Facebook.
    The first factual expression I've heard about what FB can supply that no other venue does. I wish I could push the Thank You button more than once, Jack Janik.
    09-24-2014 05:16 PM
  14. RumoredNow's Avatar
    BTW... Given that you have a legit function only FB can provide, does the App satisfy it or does Microsoft need to focus more on Facebook in your opinion???
    09-24-2014 05:19 PM
  15. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    This...really wasn't what I was thinking of.
    09-25-2014 11:15 AM
  16. RumoredNow's Avatar
    This...really wasn't what I was thinking of.
    How so?

    The Title is:

    ...and the OP states
    Exactly what it says on the tin. And Skype sucks more tbf, there's no advantage to it anymore. MS failed to capitalize
    Exactly what it says on the tin... Should Microsoft integrate Facebook.

    ​What discussion did you want to have happen?
    09-25-2014 11:23 AM
  17. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    How so?

    The Title is:

    ...and the OP states


    Exactly what it says on the tin... Should Microsoft integrate Facebook.

    ​What discussion did you want to have happen?
    I didn't expect the inane bickering about facebook. I mean people were complaining that Microsoft removed this integration, and now they're complaining at the possibility/idea of this feature being added back.
    I'd just like to see all my messaging history in one place. Simple. I chose the most widely used messengers.
    Something like, download the app and it integrated a la people hub. You can sync contacts and message them using the basic phone Infrastructure. Anything more complex, "Open in [app of your choice ]
    09-25-2014 12:44 PM
  18. RumoredNow's Avatar
    I'm not sure what Microsoft gets from integrating a 3rd party service into their OS. What is your compelling reason why they should, especially if FB doesn't want to support Windows Phone on their own?

    In other words: Why should Microsoft go out of its way to promote another company? To write software for that company? To integrate that company's service into their device?

    How does that benefit Microsoft? Why is that not a dangerous precedence (setting the stage for every 3rd party to make a claim that Microsoft needs to devote resources promoting them at no cost to themselves)?

    I understand how it benefits Facebook users or Whatsapp users. Why the special treatment for them and not everyone else?
    09-25-2014 01:35 PM
  19. iamtim's Avatar
    For the love of all that is holy, let it go, man. You don't "get it", nothing anyone says in this forum is going to make you "get it". Everyone now knows your position, so there's no need to further belabor the point.
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    09-25-2014 04:51 PM
  20. RumoredNow's Avatar
    If the only answer is just to cater to FB fans then no... I don't get it.

    But at the same time no one can explain how it benefits Microsoft to further incorporate a 3rd party that is ambivalent to their mobile system. I have logic, statistics and common sense I present in my posts. But you have won me over (worn me down) and the "I want" explanation rules!!!

    I want Microsoft to invest time, energy, money and talent turning my device into a dedicated NBC portal that plays all NBC all the time!!! They should make it a priority and integrate it into as many aspects of the OS as they can. Make mobile IE always open to the NBC web site with no option to select or change the behavior. Make Bing search favor NBC related results and push them to the top always. Open every possible message App or function set to correspond with NBC.

    Hallelujah and pass the next special concern that Microsoft can throw their money away supporting!!!!!

    ​OK bye now. I'm done.
    09-25-2014 05:07 PM
  21. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    If the only answer is just to cater to FB fans then no... I don't get it.

    But at the same time no one can explain how it benefits Microsoft to further incorporate a 3rd party that is ambivalent to their mobile system. I have logic, statistics and common sense I present in my posts. But you have won me over (worn me down) and the "I want" explanation rules!!!

    I want Microsoft to invest time, energy, money and talent turning my device into a dedicated NBC portal that plays all NBC all the time!!! They should make it a priority and integrate it into as many aspects of the OS as they can. Make mobile IE always open to the NBC web site with no option to select or change the behavior. Make Bing search favor NBC related results and push them to the top always. Open every possible message App or function set to correspond with NBC.

    Hallelujah and pass the next special concern that Microsoft can throw their money away supporting!!!!!

    ​OK bye now. I'm done.
    IOS also integrated FB and twitter, as did my old,BB playbook
    09-26-2014 03:38 AM
  22. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    If the only answer is just to cater to FB fans then no... I don't get it.

    But at the same time no one can explain how it benefits Microsoft to further incorporate a 3rd party that is ambivalent to their mobile system. I have logic, statistics and common sense I present in my posts. But you have won me over (worn me down) and the "I want" explanation rules!!!

    I want Microsoft to invest time, energy, money and talent turning my device into a dedicated NBC portal that plays all NBC all the time!!! They should make it a priority and integrate it into as many aspects of the OS as they can. Make mobile IE always open to the NBC web site with no option to select or change the behavior. Make Bing search favor NBC related results and push them to the top always. Open every possible message App or function set to correspond with NBC.

    Hallelujah and pass the next special concern that Microsoft can throw their money away supporting!!!!!

    ​OK bye now. I'm done.
    Because that's exactly what is being requested
    09-26-2014 03:39 AM
  23. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Because that's exactly what is being requested
    Just agreeing with iamtim that everyone should get what they want and Microsoft should bear the cost for all 3rd party services.

    I like NBC a whole lot. Tons of people do. Microsoft should make NBC a top priority and expend resources hooking it into the OS. Otherwise all the NBC fans might leave WP or never buy WP.

    I'm puzzled why the same logic that applies to FB is not universal. I was assured "I want" is valid enough reason to demand things from Microsoft...
    09-26-2014 09:42 AM
  24. iamtim's Avatar
    Just agreeing with iamtim that everyone should get what they want and Microsoft should bear the cost for all 3rd party services.
    I never said that. But I tire of your self-aggrandizing, wall-of-text posts and I realize that it's pointless trying to explain anything to you. So believe what you will.
    09-26-2014 09:53 AM
  25. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Sure thing... It's all Groovy.

    Let's pile on the special interests now. So far we have: Facebook, Whatsapp and NBC. I'm sure there's lots more things Microsoft can concentrate on as well...

    ​I think the thread could use more helpful suggestions.
    09-26-2014 12:23 PM
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