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  1. salmanahmad's Avatar
    @salmanahmed

    I already told you before, don't comment negatively about apps without trying them out for yourself. First download both the apps and then give your review please.

    Well,metrotube and YouTube HD have been there since 2 years,I don't see them getting removed any time soon.

    I would like to disagree here. 3rd party apps do offer more functionality than original ones, there are infinite number of cases like this.

    Yeah right. Search for antivirus in the WP store. No result. In play store? Lots. Face it, you need an antivirus to run Android securely. As for calling my statement bs, look at this-
    http://wmpoweruser.com/infected-andr...bile-networks/
    http://www.crn.com/news/mobility/300...dows-phone.htm

    Me and generally most Android phone users don't use anti viruses, it's nice to have one in the store but not neccessary to keep your phone safe.

    I mean just go over your argument, just because an app doesn't exist on a Store doesn't mean the OS doesn't need it.

    I mean about an year or two ago you didn't have Instagram, does that mean you didn't need it?

    @Salman Ahmed regardless of what you say, I still stand by my statement as anyone can can have access to the code, not just OEMs and Google. Would you like to have the key of your house with yourself, or in the hands of every stranger you meet?
    Yes, open source can mean that people can exploit any vulnerabilities but that doesn't mean closed source software can't have any vulnerabilities.

    The benefits of being open source outweigh most cons of it, there are Android devices out there that are almost 3 - 4 years old and still receiving aftermarket updates because of what? because Android is open source and can be modified.

    Add to that all the amazing tweaks and software additions that people have managed to get because of Android's openness.

    I mean for god's sakes, the LG G2 got 120 FPS 720p slow mo and 4k at 30 FPS because of a root tweak, Nexus 5 got stereo recording, we have Android phones that can boot different kinds of OSes.

    I mean the origins of double tap to wake, I'm pretty sure they come from root tweaks, you should search up sweep2wake in kernels, etc.

    Android being open makes it the OS that is filled with the most features.

    @Salman Ahmad

    3rd party app LOL

    You can't say that about secret and 6cret.

    Even 6cret works more good than secret original

    Who "security experts"? Are you talking about the folks who sells mobiles and do mobile recharge

    Ah yes making android open is cool. It gives us cyanogen MiUi etc

    And innovations Google warned a lot of time to is developers to not use windows phone and ui in there app. Yes apps on Android are more polished that's why Facebook app eates so much memory even it's closed.
    http://www.crn.com/news/mobility/300...dows-phone.htm

    Those are the security experts I am talking about. ^

    Who knows Facebook on Windows Phone also consumes as much RAM as the Android version, but Windows Phone isn't advanced enough to tell you how much RAM each program is using up, so please don't compare when you can't even tell us accurately how much RAM Facebook uses on Windows Phone.
    09-28-2014 04:45 AM
  2. anon8855939's Avatar
    Mobile Security Smackdown: iOS vs. Android vs. BlackBerry vs. Windows Phone - Page: 1 | CRN

    Me and generally most Android phone users don't use anti viruses, it's nice to have one in the store but not neccessary to keep your phone safe.

    I mean just go over your argument, just because an app doesn't exist on a Store doesn't mean the OS doesn't need it.

    I mean about an year or two ago you didn't have Instagram, does that mean you didn't need it?



    Yes, open source can mean that people can exploit any vulnerabilities but that doesn't mean closed source software can't have any vulnerabilities.

    The benefits of being open source outweigh most cons of it, there are Android devices out there that are almost 3 - 4 years old and still receiving aftermarket updates because of what? because Android is open source and can be modified.

    Add to that all the amazing tweaks and software additions that people have managed to get because of Android's openness.

    I mean for god's sakes, the LG G2 got 120 FPS 720p slow mo and 4k at 30 FPS because of a root tweak, Nexus 5 got stereo recording, we have Android phones that can boot different kinds of OSes.

    I mean the origins of double tap to wake, I'm pretty sure they come from root tweaks, you should search up sweep2wake in kernels, etc.

    Android being open makes it the OS that is filled with the most features.



    Mobile Security Smackdown: iOS vs. Android vs. BlackBerry vs. Windows Phone - Page: 1 | CRN

    Those are the security experts I am talking about. ^

    Who knows Facebook on Windows Phone also consumes as much RAM as the Android version, but Windows Phone isn't advanced enough to tell you how much RAM each program is using up, so please don't compare when you can't even tell us accurately how much RAM Facebook uses on Windows Phone.
    Not every blogger is security expert you lamas.
    When was the last time you a security flaw/loophole or virus in windows phone.
    When was the last time you a lag in windows phone.
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    09-28-2014 05:06 AM
  3. psoham777's Avatar
    Could you please show me a little bit of proof that 6tag can indeed send videos from your gallery? Because last time I tried it I could only send a video that I had recorded through the app itself.

    I've used 6tag, it's a great 3rd party client but the performance, transitions and animations and design IMO doesn't even come close to the Android/iOS counterparts.

    Where does MetroTube say that it shows 1080p footage, because it it simply says "HD" it means 720p not 1080p, the Android app supports 1080p and 1440p.

    That's exactly the reason why Google could easily get most 3rd party clients removed! Because downloading or saving videos is against the terms of service!

    And no 3rd party clients for the most part don't have nearly as much functionality, there are few exceptions.



    Actually many security experts place Android over Windows Phone, and frankly your statement about there being more infected Android than PCs is total BS.

    Open source doesn't make Android any less secure, it makes Android simply more "Open." And this is why most of the innovation you see today comes from, not iOS or Windows Phone, but by Google, OEMs or the people that took advantage of Android being open source and added the features they wanted.



    Just as a fair reminder, low end Windows Phones are also prone to lagging from time to time, add to that the amount of apps(more specifically games) that aren't optimized for 512 MB of RAM.

    What apps are you talking about? Apps on iOS are generally the most polished, apps on Android are generally the most functional, Windows Phone has barely anything going for it apart from maybe a few nice UI elements. What apps have higher ratings on the Windows Phone Store and have you ever cared to think why? It's not because of how much better the app is on Windows Phone (it's not) but it's because of how many Android users are out there and the huge amount of devices.

    The likeliness of virus is almost non existent, but obviously if you start installing apps from unknown sources(which you can't do on WP) you could possibly be exposed to a virus, but that's your fault and not Google's.

    Lastly, Windows Phone devices do lag as well in the low end side. Quite painfully so.



    Oh my God, Micromax and Karbonn devices are some of the cheapest pieces of s*** that you'll ever find, just because of a few OEMs like that you can't bash all of Android.

    Plus my low end 520 didn't perform any better than an Android device of similar price, I mean the 520 would start lagging like hell if my I typed too much in the Tapatalk app and the dreaded "resuming" was also very very annoying oh and also how when an app crashed, the whole system crashed with it.



    Again, that's Samsung. Not all OEMs put on a laggy interface.

    If Samsung was the only OEM out there making Android devices then you could say all of Android is laggy, but Samsung isn't the only one.
    I said the average rating of apps in wp is higher than android, ios. Even i know that apps are more polished in ios(i was talking about app reviews, not how well the apps work in wp, ios).I've already said my 2&half year old Lumia 710 doesn't lag, every app/game runs smoothly without even a lag, that when it has 512mb ram & a mere single core 1.4 ghz processor. Even when android gets a virus, it has a better security than WP, right? Many of my friends have got a virus not due to downloading apps/games from unknown source, they are not even sure how did their android phone get a virus. Android is the most power hungry OS, you wouldn't accept that right? Note 3(with monstrous specs like octa core processor, 3gb ram) lags, so Samsung doesn't form all of the Android even when it has the highest markets share. Androids from karbonn, spice, Micromax, intex, lava & many other phones from many other companies lag, but they still don't form all of the android. Say all this rubbish to Google, not here.
    1. You are an Android central member as you think too highly of Android, flatter people buying it
    2. You are a wpcentral member just to criticize WP, that how much rubbish is wp or how useless is your 520
    3. In many threads even when OP has clearly stated that he wants a wp, you still give them Android options.
    4. You never get my point, always come up with something which I've never said. Phew, talking to you is pointless
    Last edited by psoham777; 09-28-2014 at 05:41 AM.
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    09-28-2014 05:29 AM
  4. anon8855939's Avatar
    You talking anti virus windows phone store doesn't let developers add a anti virus in store.
    As Apple also doesn't allow the same.
    And you are taking about antivirus last week my cousin's brother phone automatically started making widgets and tried to open they opened a link.(Android)
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    09-28-2014 05:37 AM
  5. psoham777's Avatar
    You talking anti virus windows phone store doesn't let developers add a anti virus in store.
    As Apple also doesn't allow the same.
    And you are taking about antivirus last week my cousin's brother phone automatically started making widgets and tried to open they opened a link.(Android)
    Exactly, some people might just blame others that their Android phones get a virus due to their own stupidity, but I might add, its a stupid OS, which could get a virus any time, nobody is sure when!
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    09-28-2014 05:57 AM
  6. googyanas's Avatar

    Yes, open source can mean that people can exploit any vulnerabilities but that doesn't mean closed source software can't have any vulnerabilities.

    The benefits of being open source outweigh most cons of it, there are Android devices out there that are almost 3 - 4 years old and still receiving aftermarket updates because of what? because Android is open source and can be modified.

    Add to that all the amazing tweaks and software additions that people have managed to get because of Android's openness.

    I mean for god's sakes, the LG G2 got 120 FPS 720p slow mo and 4k at 30 FPS because of a root tweak, Nexus 5 got stereo recording, we have Android phones that can boot different kinds of OSes.

    I mean the origins of double tap to wake, I'm pretty sure they come from root tweaks, you should search up sweep2wake in kernels, etc.

    Android being open makes it the OS that is filled with the most features.



    I totally agree with your point of view but ...



    I was a very active kernel developer on xda for Samsung S3 i9300 & S4 i9505 and I was blessing everyday the openess of linux and android.



    But people tend to forget that all firms intentionally keep some parts of their code completely closed and whatever you do you can never "talk" efficiently to the hardware. So we end up in the same situation as fully closed systems.



    Now, I completely dropped android/Linux world in benefit of WP, not only because of that but also due to the fact that this tweakability of android is just a way to mask its bad conception, that's also why android became so hungry in hardware specs.

    Edit: As a consequence, most android users waste their time trying to tweak their devices and reducing the lags here and there, while on WP people can be proud of really/efficiently using their phones ;)
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    09-28-2014 05:59 AM
  7. anon8855939's Avatar
    I totally agree with your point of view but ...



    I was a very active kernel developer on xda for Samsung S3 i9300 & S4 i9505 and I was blessing everyday the openess of linux and android.



    But people tend to forget that all firms intentionally keep some parts of their code completely closed and whatever you do you can never "talk" efficiently to the hardware. So we end up in the same situation as fully closed systems.



    Now, I completely dropped android/Linux world in benefit of WP, not only because of that but also due to the fact that this tweakability of android is just a way to mask its bad conception, that's also why android became so hungry in hardware specs.
    Yes, that is a fact.
    Another example: Cyanogen 11 can't be flashed on xperia tipo due to support drop by Qualcomm therefore no one can have there legacy codes.
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    09-28-2014 06:07 AM
  8. mark2410's Avatar
    Bing is better than Google. Else, why would Siri use Bing? ;) - WP and iOS both use Bing for their personal assistant's assistant. Only Google uses Google and that is because it wants more data for selling.
    errr are you serious? bing next to google is rubbish. not a little bit worse but so bad that everytime i try using it i cant last a day before heading back to google. the reason apple and ms use it is because the hate google, not because of any merits of the product.
    09-28-2014 07:09 AM
  9. badcat's Avatar
    No need to take it to heart. Apps carry a higher amount of weight than anything else.
    Not to everyone. I really don't care too much about apps and even when I used Android phones they were never loaded up with apps. For *some* of us, the app thing is way overrated.
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    09-28-2014 07:21 AM
  10. psoham777's Avatar
    errr are you serious? bing next to google is rubbish. not a little bit worse but so bad that everytime i try using it i cant last a day before heading back to google. the reason apple and ms use it is because the hate google, not because of any merits of the product.
    You are wrong, I've been using Google for many years, I've been using bing from last month, its not only faster, it provides better results as compared to Google. The results sometimes are 10-11 times more than Google, of course with better ones.
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    09-28-2014 07:25 AM
  11. S Vaibhav's Avatar
    errr are you serious? bing next to google is rubbish. not a little bit worse but so bad that everytime i try using it i cant last a day before heading back to google. the reason apple and ms use it is because the hate google, not because of any merits of the product.
    Have you actually used Bing? It gives results faster than Google, and the results are pretty relevant. Plus the ads are very very less. Apple and MS use it because they hate Google? What are they, software companies or kids who got into a fight. Sorry, you don't make any sense.
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    09-28-2014 07:29 AM
  12. psoham777's Avatar
    Have you actually used Bing? It gives results faster than Google, and the results are pretty relevant. Plus the ads are very very less. Apple and MS use it because they hate Google? What are they, software companies or kids who got into a fight. Sorry, you don't make any sense.
    I might add not only the normal results, but someone told me here in wpcentral that bing provides best porn results, when I searched, it was true. I found out that the results were 90-100 times more than google, & a hell lot better. That's the main strength of Bing. Porn.... Hahaha,lol ๐Ÿ˜
    09-28-2014 07:40 AM
  13. salmanahmad's Avatar
    I might add not only the normal results, but someone told me here in wpcentral that bing provides best porn results, when I searched, it was true. I found out that the results were 90-100 times more than google, & a hell lot better. That's the main strength of Bing. Porn.... Hahaha,lol ๐Ÿ˜
    Actually porn is one of the main reasons why people prefer Bing, possibly because it is the search engine people prefer?

    But apart from that Google has always been more reliable and better for me. And if you generally look at how people on social media view Bing, you'll understand what other people think.

    Google all the way, except for porn which people say Bing does better.
    09-28-2014 08:04 AM
  14. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    errr are you serious? bing next to google is rubbish. not a little bit worse but so bad that everytime i try using it i cant last a day before heading back to google. the reason apple and ms use it is because the hate google, not because of any merits of the product.
    thats just something google lovers say
    even facebook which made phones with google-facebook phones etc in the past uses bing
    even yahoo search uses bing under the hood
    even siri uses bing
    09-28-2014 08:41 AM
  15. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    Actually porn is one of the main reasons why people prefer Bing, possibly because it is the search engine people prefer?

    But apart from that Google has always been more reliable and better for me. And if you generally look at how people on social media view Bing, you'll understand what other people think.

    Google all the way, except for porn which people say Bing does better.
    dude on social media everyone will joke around post memes etc but that doesnt make it real
    they make a big fuss out of everything and make it a joke,that doesnt mean its necessarily true
    otherwise these would be true-

    http://digitalsynopsis.com/wp-conten...est-tweets.jpg

    http://www.barnorama.com/wp-content/...one_6_plus.jpg

    unless you really believe them
    09-28-2014 08:48 AM
  16. salmanahmad's Avatar
    dude on social media everyone will joke around post memes etc but that doesnt make it real
    they make a big fuss out of everything and make it a joke,that doesnt mean its necessarily true
    otherwise these would be true-

    http://digitalsynopsis.com/wp-conten...est-tweets.jpg

    http://www.barnorama.com/wp-content/...one_6_plus.jpg

    unless you really believe them
    I'm not saying it's always true, but the amount of people that share and thumbs up the photos clearly shows how many of them dislike Microsoft.

    Generally nowadays many of Microsoft's services and products have a bad name, from Internet Explorer to Bing and Windows 8.

    People prefer Google over Microsoft, and Microsoft isn't the giant it once was, it has very few things going for it right now and IMO the future looks bleak.
    09-28-2014 09:01 AM
  17. psoham777's Avatar
    Actually porn is one of the main reasons why people prefer Bing, possibly because it is the search engine people prefer?

    But apart from that Google has always been more reliable and better for me. And if you generally look at how people on social media view Bing, you'll understand what other people think.

    Google all the way, except for porn which people say Bing does better.
    C'mon I said earlier Bing is better, faster. Just read my previous post. & about porn, I don't watch it nowadays. I personally was using google from many years, but now I've turned to Bing. I use chrome on my pc, sometimes I don't find satisfactory results, as soon as I open Bing, I get more than expected! I've searched many sites on google which say Bing is better, many experts also use Bing. Hence Siri also uses it.
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    09-28-2014 09:07 AM
  18. psoham777's Avatar
    I'm not saying it's always true, but the amount of people that share and thumbs up the photos clearly shows how many of them dislike Microsoft.

    Generally nowadays many of Microsoft's services and products have a bad name, from Internet Explorer to Bing and Windows 8.

    People prefer Google over Microsoft, and Microsoft isn't the giant it once was, it has very few things going for it right now and IMO the future looks bleak.
    You are exactly saying the opposite, internet explorer has improved significantly over the years. I still use chrome as I have a habit of using it. As i have windows 7 on my pc I won't get the recent IE update, but I am very excited about the recent one. Also while comparing all the browsers I found out that chrome is good, but IE has improved a lot & hence people are now turning to it. Preferring Google over MS is crap, do you know a Russian recently hacked millions of gmail account. I checked, my account wasn't hacked, lets say I was lucky.

    Its personal reference, according to me, both are same.
    Last edited by psoham777; 09-28-2014 at 10:22 AM.
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    09-28-2014 09:13 AM
  19. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    I'm not saying it's always true, but the amount of people that share and thumbs up the photos clearly shows how many of them dislike Microsoft.

    Generally nowadays many of Microsoft's services and products have a bad name, from Internet Explorer to Bing and Windows 8.

    People prefer Google over Microsoft, and Microsoft isn't the giant it once was, it has very few things going for it right now and IMO the future looks bleak.
    your logic is really shocking
    likes=peoples thoughts man , we should use it to secure world peace
    thanks man
    ^sarcasm
    memes arent taken seriously,otherwise samsung would have shut down ages ago
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    09-28-2014 09:38 AM
  20. mark2410's Avatar
    You are wrong, I've been using Google for many years, I've been using bing from last month, its not only faster, it provides better results as compared to Google. The results sometimes are 10-11 times more than Google, of course with better ones.
    what? bing is better because it gives more results?

    bing really is not better than google. its considerably worse. since ive been using the wp it is the single biggest reason ive had to put it down and pick up an android one. so far this thread and its weird "oooh bing is great" feels more like some wp fanboi ism of the sort usually attributed to the other two. wp has many admirable qualities but using bing is its biggest detractor.
    09-28-2014 02:58 PM
  21. psiu_glen's Avatar
    Where do you live?

    I'm in the US where Bing is strongest, and it has been my default search engine since the Live Search (pre-Bing) days.

    I get better, more tailored results from Bing than I do on the rare occasions I may try out Google. This is on PC or WP.

    what? bing is better because it gives more results?

    bing really is not better than google. its considerably worse. since ive been using the wp it is the single biggest reason ive had to put it down and pick up an android one. so far this thread and its weird "oooh bing is great" feels more like some wp fanboi ism of the sort usually attributed to the other two. wp has many admirable qualities but using bing is its biggest detractor.
    09-28-2014 03:12 PM
  22. lovenokia's Avatar
    unfortunately though, the app issue is real. I haven't used an iphone as my main for for years, but have had experience of the last occasionally using it on the 4s, 5, and 5s.

    The app issue is lack of apps although there are some apps lacking, but i think the major issue with app is the quality. The quality IMO is far better than the Wp versions with FB, instagram, skype to name a few. The quick switch works well on IOS, i wish WP had that ability to quick switch without constantly reloading/resuming. I know it saves battery, but let me make that decision. The ability to just go app to app and have it working on the spot is very convenient as on windows phone it can vary.

    One thing is to have app parity, but when you do, the quality needs to be there and right now, it is clearly the wp version of many of the mainstream apps are not as high in quality as other platforms.


    For me the lack of apps updated to windows phone 8.1 is what is killing windows phone for me. I am very frustrated with IE 11 how it is always constantly reloading tabs that have finished downloading earlier. The OS does support the fast resume, but apps need to update to WP 8.1 so that we the users don't need to wait for that anymore. Like in the notification center, when we clear the notification, than the live tile also need to clear. MS needs to allow ALL apps to have 1 minute live tiles updates too. It is frustrating, and I will give WP a break for a year or longer so that it can solve all of it's app problems.
    09-28-2014 03:25 PM
  23. lovenokia's Avatar
    Where do you live?

    I'm in the US where Bing is strongest, and it has been my default search engine since the Live Search (pre-Bing) days.

    I get better, more tailored results from Bing than I do on the rare occasions I may try out Google. This is on PC or WP.


    I have switched over to bing, but it is more for the convenience of being on all platforms. I like bing in that it gives you the rewards points, but in some occasions I find Google to work better, but it also works vice-versa.
    09-28-2014 03:27 PM
  24. lovenokia's Avatar
    I'm giving up on 8.1 for a while....Picked up a LG G2 for almost nothing with a broken screen(wireless charging, no need to change my charge setup), waiting for parts to come in to fix it....(about an hour job, a little complex but, after watching the video on youtube, just take your time, it's not that hard).

    I've never really used a modern Android device for more than a quick call or a text check but, till Verizon releases Cyan or Denim on the ICON, I will use an Android device for a while...

    I guess for a while, it will be nice to get all the apps I am missing....it's where WP lacks...STILL...

    I read the review on iOS 8, same old OS just with a few features added....Always hated the look of iOS....so, it's a no go for me.. If I was given a iPhone 6+ ? Yep, ebay it would go....


    I am about the do the same thing. I am going to give my lumia 1520 a break, and try out android on a note 4 till about the summer of next year as I have an upgrade in November. If there is some stellar hardware it will probably be cheaper than the note 4, and can always sell it and go back to windows phone.
    09-28-2014 03:32 PM
  25. mark2410's Avatar
    Where do you live?

    I'm in the US where Bing is strongest, and it has been my default search engine since the Live Search (pre-Bing) days.

    I get better, more tailored results from Bing than I do on the rare occasions I may try out Google. This is on PC or WP.
    UK. though i fail to see how the difference it would make, im rarely searching for location specific entities, would be of consequence.
    09-28-2014 03:38 PM
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