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  1. fatclue_98's Avatar
    what? bing is better because it gives more results?

    bing really is not better than google. its considerably worse. since ive been using the wp it is the single biggest reason ive had to put it down and pick up an android one. so far this thread and its weird "oooh bing is great" feels more like some wp fanboi ism of the sort usually attributed to the other two. wp has many admirable qualities but using bing is its biggest detractor.


    Hey, different strokes. One man's trash is another man's treasure.

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    09-28-2014 04:05 PM
  2. Quantify's Avatar
    My company does mobile app development, so I get to test everything. Having said that, I love the look, feel, and functionality of Windows 8.1. I own a Lumia 1020 and a 925, and I've owned an Icon and a 928 (when I was with Verizon). I have been the biggest evangelist for WP. However, I've finally thrown in the towel (for now at least). The reasons are not apps or speed or features per se...it has everything to do with basic integration into my life.

    Use case 1: commuting from NJ to NYC. I typically take NJTransit from the Secaucus Junction station into NY Penn. I like to stop at the Dunkin Donuts in the station and grab coffee as I go.
    - Android: Using MyTix app, purchase train tickets as I am walking from the parking lot to the station. before I go through the turnstiles, get coffee, pay with the app. turn around, change apps, go through the turnstile using the barcode in the app.
    - WP 8.1: At the station, wait on line for a ticket machine, buy tickets. put them in my wallet or pocket. Go to Dunkin Donuts, buy coffee, pay with credit card or cash - fumbling with wallet. Put wallet away and find ticket so I can go through turnstile.
    Is the WP solution hard? Nope, pretty easy. But Android is easier.

    Use case 2: finding a workspace in the city. My company uses Regus, a company that offers subscribers rentable office space in building around the world. In NYC, there are 50+ locations. Depending on where I am, when I have a few hours between meetings, I want to find the closest one.
    - Android: open Regus app, hit "locate" button, tap closest location to show address and directions.
    - WP8.1: search for "Regus" in IE. Get a list of locations by relevance. Change to distance. Review and try to visualize locations.
    Again, is WP8.2 solution bad? No. Is Android better? yep.

    I have others...Using google hangouts with my wife while shopping - she's not always signed into skype. The android UPS app finds ALL inbound packages for anyone in my family, and allows me to change delivery options from the app...doesn't kick me out to the web. Using Hailo to get a cab when I don't want to use Uber because of rush hour pricing.

    None of these things, by themselves, are a big deal. Taken together, My Xperia Z2 has slowly supplanted my 925 as my daily driver. Hardware wise, the Z2 is overkill in many ways...it's very big, the 1080p screen is unnecessary, and the 925 camera is better than the Z2's. But the little conveniences add up.

    I hope the situation changes. I would love to see the US app gap close. But my own company has deferred development on WP because there isn't enough demand...and until that changes, I don't think the app gap will.
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    09-28-2014 07:31 PM
  3. anon(9111683)'s Avatar
    The question of apps is an interesting one. I'm am currently an Android user but will be making the move to WP in the next few days. Having browsed through a few of the threads here at WP Central I am surprised to see how much the lack of apps seems to be such a sticking point for many users of the platform. Why would a fandroid such as myself want to move to WP? Especially considering that WP8.1 is now only considered to be on par with the competition, when it really needs to be better than, if it wants to lure users from the more popular platforms.

    The honest answer is curiosity. I've done iOS - my first introduction to the smart phone world. I hated it. Locked down and slowed down with every "update"; my beautiful 3GS was reduced to little more than a paperweight. Never again, Apple. Never again. I moved to Android and picked up the HTC One X. Loved it. Loved the ability to customize and personalize every aspect of my gadget. Loved that updates added more features and actually improved my phone - what a revelation! Didn't love the fact that I never got to see more than 2 major versions of Android. When KitKat was rolled out, my One X and I were forgotten about. The ugly side of Android.

    But the Apps! Oh those apps! So glorious, plentiful, available!

    I knew this was going to be a proble- wait what? What apps do I actually use? What apps do I actually need? What apps did I actually have tying myself into the other platforms? Next to NONE. I use 4-5 different apps on a daily basis at BEST. What do I really use my smart phone for? Texts, calls & emails. Sometimes I browse the web. Sometimes I listen to music. All of the apps that I actually use on a regular basis are available on WP.

    So i'm looking forward to picking up my new 930. I like the idea of live tiles. I'm looking forward to how nicely optimized WP8.1 is. I'm looking forward to that Nokia build quality & high quality camera.

    I'd never have even considered WP a year or so ago, but from my present perspective it is starting to look very attractive.
    09-28-2014 08:41 PM
  4. fatclue_98's Avatar
    The question of apps is an interesting one. I'm am currently an Android user but will be making the move to WP in the next few days. Having browsed through a few of the threads here at WP Central I am surprised to see how much the lack of apps seems to be such a sticking point for many users of the platform. Why would a fandroid such as myself want to move to WP? Especially considering that WP8.1 is now only considered to be on par with the competition, when it really needs to be better than, if it wants to lure users from the more popular platforms.

    The honest answer is curiosity. I've done iOS - my first introduction to the smart phone world. I hated it. Locked down and slowed down with every "update"; my beautiful 3GS was reduced to little more than a paperweight. Never again, Apple. Never again. I moved to Android and picked up the HTC One X. Loved it. Loved the ability to customize and personalize every aspect of my gadget. Loved that updates added more features and actually improved my phone - what a revelation! Didn't love the fact that I never got to see more than 2 major versions of Android. When KitKat was rolled out, my One X and I were forgotten about. The ugly side of Android.

    But the Apps! Oh those apps! So glorious, plentiful, available!

    I knew this was going to be a proble- wait what? What apps do I actually use? What apps do I actually need? What apps did I actually have tying myself into the other platforms? Next to NONE. I use 4-5 different apps on a daily basis at BEST. What do I really use my smart phone for? Texts, calls & emails. Sometimes I browse the web. Sometimes I listen to music. All of the apps that I actually use on a regular basis are available on WP.

    So i'm looking forward to picking up my new 930. I like the idea of live tiles. I'm looking forward to how nicely optimized WP8.1 is. I'm looking forward to that Nokia build quality & high quality camera.

    I'd never have even considered WP a year or so ago, but from my present perspective it is starting to look very attractive.
    First post and you hit it out of the ballpark. Welcome aboard, looking forward to more of your insight. Let us know how it goes with your 930.
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    09-28-2014 09:16 PM
  5. Quantify's Avatar
    I knew this was going to be a proble- wait what? What apps do I actually use? What apps do I actually need? What apps did I actually have tying myself into the other platforms? Next to NONE. I use 4-5 different apps on a daily basis at BEST. What do I really use my smart phone for? Texts, calls & emails. Sometimes I browse the web. Sometimes I listen to music. All of the apps that I actually use on a regular basis are available on WP. .
    Best of luck with the 930. Great device, wish it actually got LTE in the US. Keep track of how you actually do things with the 930...and whether you might have had other options on a One X, or on an iPhone for that matter.

    Posted via the Windows Phone Central App for Android
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    09-28-2014 10:17 PM
  6. itsJuicy's Avatar
    WP is far more advanced than the others.
    It takes time to be recognized....well maybe some publicity too :)
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    09-29-2014 12:31 AM
  7. psoham777's Avatar
    WP is far more advanced than the others.
    It takes time to be recognized....well maybe some publicity too :)
    I agree with you, lets just say we are Lucky ones, who get to use WP. Because uniqueness is not that common...lol
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    09-29-2014 12:40 AM
  8. salmanahmad's Avatar
    WP is far more advanced than the others.
    It takes time to be recognized....well maybe some publicity too :)
    The original point of the thread was to definitely talk about how far Windows Phone has come.

    And I'll admit that Windows Phone has come a pretty long way since it's inception but as far as being more advanced than the others, Loool no.

    Design is subjective though, and it is something that Windows Phone has going for itself. If you say Windows Phone is the most beautiful OS in your opinion, I'd agree to that because it's your opinion.

    If you talk about how advanced an OS, you'll face too much criticism and for real - WP is not the most advanced OS out there.

    Most beautiful OS out there? Depends on who you ask but Windows Phone would be a good choice.
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    09-29-2014 05:45 AM
  9. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    The original point of the thread was to definitely talk about how far Windows Phone has come.

    And I'll admit that Windows Phone has come a pretty long way since it's inception but as far as being more advanced than the others, Loool no.

    Design is subjective though, and it is something that Windows Phone has going for itself. If you say Windows Phone is the most beautiful OS in your opinion, I'd agree to that because it's your opinion.

    If you talk about how advanced an OS, you'll face too much criticism and for real - WP is not the most advanced OS out there.

    Most beautiful OS out there? Depends on who you ask but Windows Phone would be a good choice.
    i dunno man something tells me the "higly advanced" android struggles with malware(even in play store) , hacking , lag and even updates and even battery life
    09-29-2014 06:16 AM
  10. badcat's Avatar
    The question of apps is an interesting one. I'm am currently an Android user but will be making the move to WP in the next few days. Having browsed through a few of the threads here at WP Central I am surprised to see how much the lack of apps seems to be such a sticking point for many users of the platform. Why would a fandroid such as myself want to move to WP? Especially considering that WP8.1 is now only considered to be on par with the competition, when it really needs to be better than, if it wants to lure users from the more popular platforms.

    The honest answer is curiosity. I've done iOS - my first introduction to the smart phone world. I hated it. Locked down and slowed down with every "update"; my beautiful 3GS was reduced to little more than a paperweight. Never again, Apple. Never again. I moved to Android and picked up the HTC One X. Loved it. Loved the ability to customize and personalize every aspect of my gadget. Loved that updates added more features and actually improved my phone - what a revelation! Didn't love the fact that I never got to see more than 2 major versions of Android. When KitKat was rolled out, my One X and I were forgotten about. The ugly side of Android.

    But the Apps! Oh those apps! So glorious, plentiful, available!

    I knew this was going to be a proble- wait what? What apps do I actually use? What apps do I actually need? What apps did I actually have tying myself into the other platforms? Next to NONE. I use 4-5 different apps on a daily basis at BEST. What do I really use my smart phone for? Texts, calls & emails. Sometimes I browse the web. Sometimes I listen to music. All of the apps that I actually use on a regular basis are available on WP.

    So i'm looking forward to picking up my new 930. I like the idea of live tiles. I'm looking forward to how nicely optimized WP8.1 is. I'm looking forward to that Nokia build quality & high quality camera.

    I'd never have even considered WP a year or so ago, but from my present perspective it is starting to look very attractive.
    Great post. Your thoughts mirror my experience. I can honestly say there are only a couple of apps I'm missing and I can definitely live without them. As much as I enjoy my phone I just don't want my nose stuck in it 24/7. I use it for the same type of tasks, email, texting, light. web browsing, etc. I also had been burned by Verizon on Android updates. My last Android phone got exactly one update in two years. Completely abandoned. Good luck with your WP.
    Karthik Naik likes this.
    09-29-2014 06:23 AM
  11. googyanas's Avatar
    I would also say that using WP makes me feel "smarter" thanks to my Lumia "Smart(er)Phone" !!!
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    09-29-2014 06:42 AM
  12. psoham777's Avatar
    The original point of the thread was to definitely talk about how far Windows Phone has come.

    And I'll admit that Windows Phone has come a pretty long way since it's inception but as far as being more advanced than the others, Loool no.

    Design is subjective though, and it is something that Windows Phone has going for itself. If you say Windows Phone is the most beautiful OS in your opinion, I'd agree to that because it's your opinion.

    If you talk about how advanced an OS, you'll face too much criticism and for real - WP is not the most advanced OS out there.

    Most beautiful OS out there? Depends on who you ask but Windows Phone would be a good choice.
    See, we all know windows phone hasn't come too far, but its still doing a pretty good job. No OS is advanced & none can be termed as perfect. The poster just meant that WP would be soon on #2. It'll take 2-3 years but it'll definitely grow.
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    09-29-2014 06:57 AM
  13. salmanahmad's Avatar
    i dunno man something tells me the "higly advanced" android struggles with malware(even in play store) , hacking , lag and even updates and even battery life
    You exaggerate facts simply to bring Windows Phone above Android. Malware isn't as big of an issue are you constantly keep brining up, if it issues that you people constantly bring up we're true for everyone then Android wouldn't dominate the market today.Battery life, updates and lag are issues that vary from one device to another. Not all Windows Phones have great battery lives, not all Windows Phone run Windows Phone without a hitch and as far as updates go what happened with Windows Phone 7 devices? And what happened with Lumia 810? And what about all the devices that get delayed updates to Cyan and wait for months.Here's a comparison that may serve useful to you: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Andro...-up_id58004But the sentence which is the highlight from the article was this: "Yet while Windows Phone 8.1 brings the feature gap between itself and its nemeses to a minimum, it can't be considered superior to Android L."Has Windows Phone grown a lot in the past few years? Definitely.
    Is it better than Android and iOS? Maybe in a few things here and there but as a whole no it's not.
    09-29-2014 07:14 AM
  14. Rick_Air's Avatar
    *Yawn
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    09-29-2014 08:37 AM
  15. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    You exaggerate facts simply to bring Windows Phone above Android. Malware isn't as big of an issue are you constantly keep brining up, if it issues that you people constantly bring up we're true for everyone then Android wouldn't dominate the market today.Battery life, updates and lag are issues that vary from one device to another. Not all Windows Phones have great battery lives, not all Windows Phone run Windows Phone without a hitch and as far as updates go what happened with Windows Phone 7 devices? And what happened with Lumia 810? And what about all the devices that get delayed updates to Cyan and wait for months.Here's a comparison that may serve useful to you: Cell Phone News - Phone Arena the sentence which is the highlight from the article was this: "Yet while Windows Phone 8.1 brings the feature gap between itself and its nemeses to a minimum, it can't be considered superior to Android L."Has Windows Phone grown a lot in the past few years? Definitely.
    Is it better than Android and iOS? Maybe in a few things here and there but as a whole no it's not.
    I dunno man I just used your beloved google search and just typed phone malware,no sign of ios,WP or bb10

    https://www.google.co.in/search?q=ph...&client=safari

    Seems proof enough to me
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    09-29-2014 09:15 AM
  16. salmanahmad's Avatar
    I dunno man I just used your beloved google search and just typed phone malware,no sign of ios,WP or bb10

    https://www.google.co.in/search?q=ph...&client=safari

    Seems proof enough to me
    What is the percentage of Android users? How many of them complain about viruses?

    Has this ever occurred to you maybe?

    If Android was as malware ridden, laggy why did people not stop purchasing Android devices and simply move to the perfect Windows Phones?
    09-29-2014 09:20 AM
  17. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I would also say that using WP makes me feel "smarter" thanks to my Lumia "Smart(er)Phone" !!!
    I don't feel using a WP makes me smarter, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
    09-29-2014 09:20 AM
  18. worldspy99's Avatar
    What is the percentage of Android users? How many of them complain about viruses?

    Has this ever occurred to you maybe?

    If Android was as malware ridden, laggy why did people not stop purchasing Android devices and simply move to the perfect Windows Phones?
    Dude just mozy on over to the sister site AC. They will welcome you with open arms. You are probably qualified to be an Ambassador over there, here you are just coming off as a fanboy.
    09-29-2014 09:25 AM
  19. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    @Salmanahmad for arguements sake ill show you how to put down windows phone,the correct way,not the vague way you do

    here goes-

    "microsoft!! its 2014,symbian was released more than 17 years ago and when it was discontinued in favour of windows phone i would have expected it to get features which symbian already had...

    pureview came soo long ago on symbian ,why so late for wp

    Hdmi was present in meego and symbian,why not include it in wp

    OTG debuted in symbian,why is it missing from wp despite the hardware supporting it

    notification centre debuted in maemo,meego,symbian,windows mobile and blackberry(in a way) ,why was it late on wp

    1gb ram support was already there on symbian ,why was it late for wp

    file manager debuted on windows mobile,blackberry os,palm,symbian,meego,maemo ,why was it late for blackberry"

    and so on

    this is how you argue against windows phone and some of them are geniune concerns for alot of us
    you dont have to put android for every arguement and act as though android was invented a million years ago
    and if someone asks how to setup an email id on wp,ios,bb10,the correct answer is not "android"
    no offense to anyone btw,just making a parody :D :P(not all points are completely logical or "against" wp)
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    09-29-2014 09:38 AM
  20. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    [WARN]There is a very good reason this thread isn't in "Phone Wars" or "Other OSs" section of WPCentral. Can anyone have an educated guess? Hint: We don't want to talk about other OSs here. If that's all you can contribute, this isn't really your thread trust me.[/WARN]
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    09-29-2014 09:55 AM
  21. Rick_Air's Avatar
    What is the percentage of Android users constantly posting on WP forums?
    Don't know, but just one of them posts more than enough for them all!

    Seriously we get it, you love Android. But strangely enough some of us here on the WINDOWS PHONE forums actually prefer, funnily enough, Windows Phone.

    I know, crazy.
    09-29-2014 12:05 PM
  22. mark2410's Avatar
    i dont think there is a problem in preferring one over another, its when people get all religious and blind about the one they like. nothing is all things to all people somethings wp does well but some it doesnt and when someone says i dont how wp does xyz its a fair comment. some people act like they just punched their child in the face.
    09-29-2014 01:22 PM
  23. chezm's Avatar
    What is the percentage of Android users constantly posting on WP forums?
    Don't know, but just one of them posts more than enough for them all!

    Seriously we get it, you love Android. But strangely enough some of us here on the WINDOWS PHONE forums actually prefer, funnily enough, Windows Phone.

    I know, crazy.
    Whats actually humorous is the discussion (title of thread) lead to the understanding that the overall conversation is to talk about ALL OS's available, their differences and obviously rejoice WP in what has been accomplished. However, scanning through just the last 2 pages here it seems any minor debates raised that dont favor WP are quickly dragged down by defensive ramble (malware a major problem and all "android users have it", seriously?...). I am a renewed Android user (of 2 weeks now), after being a long time WP7/8/8.1 user...I had my reasons to leave, but thoroughly enjoy (a lot, maybe not ALL) conversations and this community. Does this mean I shouldnt post on this forum anymore? "But why are you still on WP forums if you own an Android?" Because I take a great interest in mobile technologies and enjoy this community...however with the large number of open-minded conversations and users comes to 'attack everyone who doesnt LOVE WP' mentality. Sure, we have the specific Android guy creeping up here and bashing WP frequently but please do not believe that is ALL Android users visiting this site.

    Anyway, i just wanted to point this out. I can respect that everyone on this site prefers WP over other OS's, thats pretty self explanatory. I wouldnt go bashing WP here, but i would like to give my opinion where they're welcome. If Android users arent welcome, ill kindly leave. "Why dont you just go to androidcentral?" In all honesty, i just prefer this community for discussions.


    UPDATE: sorry just noticed @rockstarzzz warning post, so i guess other OS talk isnt welcomed. Ill stick to just the Phone Wars section of the site.
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    09-29-2014 01:28 PM
  24. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    @chezm ofcourse we dont bash every android user(or superuser lol :D :P) who comes here
    we only bash those who hate wp and cant accept limitations and pros of every os and "prescribe" android to any thread even if the op wants help setting up an email id or something :)
    android is a nice os so are wp and ios etc but calling one superior over the rest is wrong

    just thought id clear the confusion :)
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    09-29-2014 02:05 PM
  25. D M C's Avatar
    @chezm ofcourse we dont bash every android user(or superuser lol :D :P) who comes here
    we only bash those who hate wp and cant accept limitations and pros of every os and "prescribe" android to any thread even if the op wants help setting up an email id or something :)
    android is a nice os so are wp and ios etc but calling one superior over the rest is wrong

    just thought id clear the confusion :)
    Hahaha....
    Do I need to post your comments on Android here?

    I don't know users who calls Android is superior but I know users who called WP superior and name Android OS as lagdroid, malware etc

    You also hate Android, Google and every Google services which you mentioned in various thread.
    09-29-2014 02:56 PM
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