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  1. D M C's Avatar
    says the guy who insults microsoft for no reason
    oh and i know some of my friends who are extreme pro-android but are still willing to accept that googles policies etc are pathetic
    Actually you are the one who keep bringing Google everywhere.

    Insulting for the reason that you don't like it.
    All I said about MS is it services are not as
    good as compared to Google.
    And market share shows that.
    Last edited by D M C; 09-30-2014 at 07:59 AM.
    09-30-2014 07:27 AM
  2. psoham777's Avatar
    stop using such false logic with false facts
    windows doesnt hang anymore,windows 8.1 runs buttery smooth even on my old core 2 duo laptop and my pentium 4 pc with 2gb and 1gb ram respectively
    Linux fails because its tougher to setup and install software(use apt commands in terminal when its one click on windows) etc than windows ,an exception is elementary os which has streamlined linux a bit
    linux is easier to hack thanks to superuser breaches etc
    linux may be free etc but sometimes feels very fragmented-debian,fedora etc,and different formats for each(targ.gz etc)

    mac is a different story,people like to try and be cool using a mac without knowing anything about it
    but the real application of a mac is for professionals like editing sound,movies etc
    or even business people and enthusiasts who really like apple for what it is,not using it to showoff etc and arguably macbook air 11" is a great buy with oodles of battery life in it,though in recent times,there are windows alternatives which do just as well

    ohh and one more point,most of the population cannot afford a mac and OSX cannot be installed on other computers(atleast legally or bugfree etc) so this logic is invalid

    you cannot compare pcs and phones this way with false facts

    anyways this is going wayy OT,so stop
    No point arguing, you might end up bursting your nerves...:P
    Karthik Naik likes this.
    09-30-2014 07:30 AM
  3. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Can someone please define lag? Is this a catch phrase that people just like to throw around? I use an iPhone 5 for work and I hate using the internet on it because it takes forever to load pages. Is it iOS 8 or maybe AT&T's LTE isn't that great? I remember using, and loving, Windows Mobile. People used to bash it for freezing, resetting itself, etc. but I never had any issues with it. I had just about every WM device and they all worked flawlessly, but I knew enough to keep an eye on open apps. To this day, I close apps immediately after finishing with them. I guess old habits do die hard. I'll agree that Gingerbread and below had constant force closes, but that's not lag. I've read benchmarks from too many devices to count and they put up all these numbers on a graph. What exactly do they mean in the real world? Does a 30,000 score mean an app will open in .00004 seconds faster than a device scoring "only" 12,000? Anytime I see an argument between posters there will always be the inevitable "show me a link" from someone too lazy to do his own research. I've looked high and low and I can't find any article that addresses lag in the form of timed differences between devices running single core CPUs vs. quad core or octa core or whatever. Someone please post an article or video with stopwatch results on various devices and if none can be found, no more lag references. Please.
    09-30-2014 07:43 AM
  4. jonnaver's Avatar
    It would be interesting to show people the difference on their devices if WP or iOS allowed you to completely turn off the system animations their load times are hidden by.
    09-30-2014 08:17 AM
  5. iamtim's Avatar
    Well my friend bought nexus 5, his phone got a virus in less than a week, isn't that too much? Sometimes I really feel sorry for them
    And there's no chance the virus he got could have been caused by his own actions? Or is your premise that once you get an Android phone, you just automatically and immediately start picking up random viruses with no action on your part?
    09-30-2014 08:22 AM
  6. tgp's Avatar
    Can someone please define lag?
    I don't have a scientific explanation, but I believe it would be the time between when you press the button and when something happens. Lag is more or less subjective. I think according to this thread that the amount of lag depends more on which platform you love or hate than anything else! I suppose you could say that technically there is always at least a little bit of lag.

    The 3 platforms discussed here handle lag differently. WP & iOS have animations which start pretty much instantly when you tap the button. Android doesn't, at least it didn't in the past. So when you tap a button on WP or iOS, you will see the animation right away. However, there is still some time until the desired action takes place. On Android, when you tap the button, nothing happens, at least by appearance. But after a bit of time the desired action will take place. Often, even if the time from tapping the button to the app opening is the same, you will sense that Android lags because nothing happens right away. But if you have similar grade phones and do the same action side by side, you will see that the total time required is often similar. Put a Nexus 5 beside an iPhone 6 or any WP and do the same thing, and the Nexus 5 will usually be just as quick. In fact, from what I've seen, it will often finish first. But the iPhone or WP will appear faster because something happens right away.

    The interesting thing is that this perception is actually more important than it seems. I guess you could say that we're being entertained by the animation! This was explained to me by a Microsoft MVP and WP fan, who now interestingly enough uses Android. However, he doesn't use Android because he likes it better. He switched because of a specific capability he needs that WP doesn't have.

    So after that long explanation, I'll sum it up like this: what we call lag is more or less subjective. You're right; it is a catch phrase we throw around.
    fatclue_98 likes this.
    09-30-2014 08:23 AM
  7. S Vaibhav's Avatar
    Can someone please define lag? Is this a catch phrase that people just like to throw around? I use an iPhone 5 for work and I hate using the internet on it because it takes forever to load pages. Is it iOS 8 or maybe AT&T's LTE isn't that great? I remember using, and loving, Windows Mobile. People used to bash it for freezing, resetting itself, etc. but I never had any issues with it. I had just about every WM device and they all worked flawlessly, but I knew enough to keep an eye on open apps. To this day, I close apps immediately after finishing with them. I guess old habits do die hard. I'll agree that Gingerbread and below had constant force closes, but that's not lag. I've read benchmarks from too many devices to count and they put up all these numbers on a graph. What exactly do they mean in the real world? Does a 30,000 score mean an app will open in .00004 seconds faster than a device scoring "only" 12,000? Anytime I see an argument between posters there will always be the inevitable "show me a link" from someone too lazy to do his own research. I've looked high and low and I can't find any article that addresses lag in the form of timed differences between devices running single core CPUs vs. quad core or octa core or whatever. Someone please post an article or video with stopwatch results on various devices and if none can be found, no more lag references. Please.
    Hmm... Good question. I would personally define lag as the stuttering that takes place while scrolling through app menus, browser, and during the general touch response, when the frame rate of the animations becomes lower than 30fps. I've seen a galaxy s5 stutter while scrolling through the app menu.I would define that as lag, but of course the term lag is highly subjective, and this is just my opinion. :)
    fatclue_98 and TechAbstract like this.
    09-30-2014 08:29 AM
  8. psoham777's Avatar
    And there's no chance the virus he got could have been caused by his own actions? Or is your premise that once you get an Android phone, you just automatically and immediately start picking up random viruses with no action on your part?
    You are free to use whatever phone you want in any way you want. He was the one who always said that nexus phones had the best security & all that. & after one week? Totally mum. If you are just saying that his phone caught a virus due to his own stupidity, its his phone he can do whatever he wants. He didn't even try rooting Android & neither did he download anything from unknown sources. & frankly speaking I am not even interested to know how android phones catch a virus!
    Also I've already said before that not all Android phones get a virus, few of them get it
    09-30-2014 08:43 AM
  9. iamtim's Avatar
    You are free to use whatever phone you want in any way you want.
    I already knew that, thanks.

    He was the one who always said that nexus phones had the best security & all that.
    I'm not asking about him, I'm asking about you; you brought him into this as supporting evidence that Android phones get viruses. So... do you believe that Android phones just randomly and without any prompting pick up viruses? Or do you think that most of them are prompted by some errant user activity? Or something else entirely?
    09-30-2014 08:49 AM
  10. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Hmm... Good question. I would personally define lag as the stuttering that takes place while scrolling through app menus, browser, and during the general touch response, when the frame rate of the animations becomes lower than 30fps. I've seen a galaxy s5 stutter while scrolling through the app menu.I would define that as lag, but of course the term lag is highly subjective, and this is just my opinion. :)
    Yourself and tgp have offered up some well written responses but in the end, both of you agree that lag is subjective. You mention 30fps. Think about that for a minute, 30 frames per second! How imperceptible is that as opposed to 24fps or say, 48fps. These numbers that get bandied about is the type of thing that bothers me about the lag discussion.
    tgp likes this.
    09-30-2014 08:58 AM
  11. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I already knew that, thanks.



    I'm not asking about him, I'm asking about you; you brought him into this as supporting evidence that Android phones get viruses. So... do you believe that Android phones just randomly and without any prompting pick up viruses? Or do you think that most of them are prompted by some errant user activity? Or something else entirely?
    I'm no expert but I do play devil's advocate quite well.

    With RFID scanners, could it not be possible to introduce malware to a nearby device without the owner's knowledge?
    09-30-2014 09:02 AM
  12. psoham777's Avatar
    I already knew that, thanks.



    I'm not asking about him, I'm asking about you; you brought him into this as supporting evidence that Android phones get viruses. So... do you believe that Android phones just randomly and without any prompting pick up viruses? Or do you think that most of them are prompted by some errant user activity? Or something else entirely?
    See my point was just that androids can get a virus. That was my only point. Android might get virus due to any reason, does it really matter? Yes, the user might have done something wrong, or might not. By saying all this I also agree that there are happy users of Android who've never got a virus.
    09-30-2014 09:13 AM
  13. prasath1234's Avatar
    No android does not get virus unless u go to porn website or u sideload apps from untrusted websites that give you pirated apps.nd low memory devices suffer hang or lag if not rooted or applied greenify.greenify app is a boon for low memory 512 Mb devices running jelly bean or lower versions.
    From Windows phone
    D M C likes this.
    09-30-2014 09:42 AM
  14. psoham777's Avatar
    No android does not get virus unless u go to porn website or u sideload apps from untrusted websites that give you pirated apps.nd low memory devices suffer hang or lag if not rooted or applied greenify.greenify app is a boon for low memory 512 Mb devices running jelly bean or lower versions.
    From Windows phone
    Go to a porn site? That's it. You indirectly want to say that even a porn website is risky in Android, WOW, I didn't knew that.
    09-30-2014 10:03 AM
  15. prasath1234's Avatar
    Yes it is risky even in windows pc you will get virus.
    From Windows phone
    D M C likes this.
    09-30-2014 10:06 AM
  16. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Yes it is risky even in windows pc you will get virus.
    From Windows phone
    You MAY get a virus.
    09-30-2014 10:20 AM
  17. fatclue_98's Avatar
    No android does not get virus unless u go to porn website or u sideload apps from untrusted websites that give you pirated apps.nd low memory devices suffer hang or lag if not rooted or applied greenify.greenify app is a boon for low memory 512 Mb devices running jelly bean or lower versions.
    From Windows phone
    Your liberal use of absolutes is astounding. Why do we bother discussing if you have all the concrete answers that cannot be disputed. Please check your "facts".
    09-30-2014 10:23 AM
  18. psoham777's Avatar
    Yes it is risky even in windows pc you will get virus.
    From Windows phone
    Forget it. I have been using Windows for more than 10 years & torrents for more than 5 years. I still didn't get a single virus, that's when I am not a premium user of torrent. Just open a porn site & you get a virus, well this wasn't the case even before 10 years, forget about now...
    09-30-2014 10:35 AM
  19. D M C's Avatar
    No android does not get virus unless u go to porn website or u sideload apps from untrusted websites that give you pirated apps.nd low memory devices suffer hang or lag if not rooted or applied greenify.greenify app is a boon for low memory 512 Mb devices running jelly bean or lower versions.
    From Windows phone
    Use Bing to get better porn result.
    Google block porn sites or making it harder to search porn sites.

    my friends who are extreme pro-android but are still willing to accept that googles policies etc are pathetic
    yeah! I also hate this Google porn polices. Everyone hate this, it's not just your friend dude.


    Forget it. I have been using Windows for more than 10 years & torrents for more than 5 years. I still didn't get a single virus, that's when I am not a premium user of torrent. Just open a porn site & you get a virus, well this wasn't the case even before 10 years, forget about now...
    @prasath1234
    We have a user here who didn't get any virus in 10 years.
    That means Windows is totally safe.
    Go and download and surf anywhere. You will never get virus Windows is rock solid safe.
    Their are no virus..
    Antivirus companies are just making fools to all Windows users.
    and Windows users who claim that they got virus are spreading wrong news. They all are Windows hater
    09-30-2014 10:40 AM
  20. thesachd's Avatar
    Forget it. I have been using Windows for more than 10 years & torrents for more than 5 years. I still didn't get a single virus, that's when I am not a premium user of torrent. Just open a porn site & you get a virus, well this wasn't the case even before 10 years, forget about now...
    He gave us an example. I've been a user of Android, Windows Phone and iOS for years now.

    The chances of getting a virus in Android are slim and I've read quite a bit about why you hear more about Android getting viruses,,, it has the highest market share.

    But just because you haven't experienced a virus in your Windows PC doesn't in any way mean that there are no viruses in Windows, similarly I'm sure Android may have gotten malware or viruses at one point, but this is why Google makes Google Play Services mandatory because it patches exploits that way.

    Learn more about the OSes you are talking negatively about.

    Hi guys,this is my 1st day here! :)
    D M C likes this.
    09-30-2014 10:41 AM
  21. prasath1234's Avatar
    He gave us an example. I've been a user of Android, Windows Phone and iOS for years now.

    The chances of getting a virus in Android are slim and I've read quite a bit about why you hear more about Android getting viruses,,, it has the highest market share.

    But just because you haven't experienced a virus in your Windows PC doesn't in any way mean that there are no viruses in Windows, similarly I'm sure Android may have gotten malware or viruses at one point, but this is why Google makes Google Play Services mandatory because it patches exploits that way.

    Learn more about the OSes you are talking negatively about.

    Hi guys,this is my 1st day here! :)
    Welcome to wpcentral.:thumbup::D
    thesachd likes this.
    09-30-2014 10:45 AM
  22. iamtim's Avatar
    Android might get virus due to any reason, does it really matter?
    Yes. "Android randomly picks up viruses out of nowhere, all the time" is significantly different from "I got a virus on my Android because I side-loaded an app from superandroidapps.ru.cn". That's all I was trying to get across.
    tgp and D M C like this.
    09-30-2014 10:52 AM
  23. psoham777's Avatar
    Yes. "Android randomly picks up viruses out of nowhere, all the time" is significantly different from "I got a virus on my Android because I side-loaded an app from superandroidapps.ru.cn". That's all I was trying to get across.

    I agree with you. As I don't like Android, I don't ask my friends the reasons for it...
    09-30-2014 10:55 AM
  24. D M C's Avatar
    He gave us an example. I've been a user of Android, Windows Phone and iOS for years now.

    The chances of getting a virus in Android are slim and I've read quite a bit about why you hear more about Android getting viruses,,, it has the highest market share.

    But just because you haven't experienced a virus in your Windows PC doesn't in any way mean that there are no viruses in Windows, similarly I'm sure Android may have gotten malware or viruses at one point, but this is why Google makes Google Play Services mandatory because it patches exploits that way.

    Learn more about the OSes you are talking negatively about.

    Hi guys,this is my 1st day here! :)
    Welcome to WPCentral

    Good to see a WP fan who do not bash other OS
    09-30-2014 10:59 AM
  25. psoham777's Avatar
    He gave us an example. I've been a user of Android, Windows Phone and iOS for years now.

    The chances of getting a virus in Android are slim and I've read quite a bit about why you hear more about Android getting viruses,,, it has the highest market share.

    But just because you haven't experienced a virus in your Windows PC doesn't in any way mean that there are no viruses in Windows, similarly I'm sure Android may have gotten malware or viruses at one point, but this is why Google makes Google Play Services mandatory because it patches exploits that way.

    Learn more about the OSes you are talking negatively about.

    Hi guys,this is my 1st day here! :)

    I never said windows never gets a virus.
    I never said androids always get a virus, if Androids have the slimmest possibility of getting a virus, the fact still remains, a possibility. You should read my previous posts, I also said that there are android users who never got a virus in their phone.
    09-30-2014 11:01 AM
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