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  1. aikidaves's Avatar
    I know all that, just didn't feel like there was a need to detail it. Microsoft has the right to use the Nokia name for another 10 YEARS if they want to. They certainly didn't have to ditch it this year.
    Only on low end feature phones. See Nokia?s Licensing Its Name To Microsoft, But It?s Free To Keep Building Hardware, And Could Even Dial Up To Mobile Devices Again By January 2016 | TechCrunch
    10-23-2014 04:00 PM
  2. MikeSo's Avatar
    Thanks for the correction! I was under the impression it applied to all devices.

    For smartphones it says: "Upon the closing of the transaction, Nokia would be restricted from licensing the Nokia brand for use in connection with mobile device sales for 30 months and from using the Nokia brand on Nokia's own mobile devices until December 31, 2015."

    A little odd wording, but it seems to mean that Microsoft can use the Nokia name if they want to, but that Nokia can start using it again for their own devices (if they make any) in 2016. So I guess MS is just planning ahead by giving them the Lumia name now instead of a year from now.
    10-23-2014 04:28 PM
  3. trivor's Avatar
    If you're on a carrier like Verizon where there is little incentive to buy a phone full price (you only get a discount if you are on their Edge Program, NOT if you're out of contract). If you're like me with an old grandfathered plan that needs Verizon coverage then you are wasting money if you DON'T upgrade when you have an opportunity because you are paying for a phone on your plan whether you buy a new one or not so you might as well buy a new phone every time an upgrade is available.
    Silence#WP likes this.
    10-23-2014 05:38 PM
  4. jdballard's Avatar
    I want a nicer, high end, phone too. But the highest adoption rate has been at the lower end of the market, so they are going to go where the sales are. I have no idea how it breaks out: sell more lower end phones at a lower margin or fewer phones at a high margin, but I'm assuming someone at MS has done the math and determined that's what they need to do. It may be the wrong play but I'm sure they have a reason to do what they're doing.
    10-23-2014 05:39 PM
  5. badcat's Avatar
    Yeah, without phones in the stores where people buy them, they could have a Xeon-based 3D phone with 100 hours of battery life, it doesn't matter. You go in to any store except AT&T corporate stores and in 90 out of a 100 you won't find WP, and certainly nobody promoting them. Until they address that, nothing matters.

    They might as well stop caring about the carriers at all and sell everything online at microsoftstore.com or amazon.com. I'm not sure there would be much difference in sales numbers.
    Because I have a Microsoft store near me, I may go there to get my next phone instead of a Verizon store. The MS store is a pleasure to go to while it just rains pain at the Verizon store.
    10-23-2014 05:49 PM
  6. JamesDax's Avatar
    I always said this and I will say it again and again until Microsoft gets it right. We want premium phones. Someone in MS went down this path of putting WP OS on cheap phones in this scrape to the bottom to somehow bolster numbers of the WP penetration. What has this fools errand done? nothing... in fact while the os is maturing and getting phenomenally better the penetration is decreasing. I am not saying cheap phones aren't important but why is that your target market?

    Think about this for a second... You can buy a phone for 200 bucks every two years. That is cheap to be honest. This is why people working at mcdonalds on minimum wage have Iphones. You creating a phone off contract for 150 bucks is NO BIG DEAL. Furthermore, after waiting for 3 - 6 months I can get your premium phone for a 2 year contract for 100 bucks. Now this is even cheaper than the no contract phone.

    Hello - this is fundamental Apple and Samsung strategy. We are charging a crazy price for a 5 inch device that is 1000x less powerful than a laptop and charging you more than a laptop. How are they able to do this? With the insane contract system we are on. lol, we all got put into a lease program and now we think this is normal. To us the phone cost $200 - period.

    So why the hell is Microsoft trying so hard for this cheap-O strategy? It's a fools errand and proving to be a disaster.

    Next, where in gods name are the updates to the premium phones like the 1020 and the 1520. I probably want the 1020 or 1520 update. But spec me out like full bore - blow my socks off - and charge me $250 - $300 for a 64gig device - 41 megapixel camera - cortana. I want to buy a premium freaking windows phone.

    Microsoft what are you doing? Why is it about to be the holiday season and you don't have this ready? Something... Anything... my lord.

    This is like Halo 5. You had 10 years knowing you were going to update the Xbox. 10 years. How in gods name did you not prepare to have Halo out a launch and a year later still not have it ready. You just fired thousands of people - Instead, perhaps they should have been shifted into helping get these product launches out much FASTER.

    And lastly, nokia made some UGLY ****. Let's be real about this. people do care about the design quality and build of their devices... Make design a premium thing in your planning. Funny, I actually think the Iphone 6 is an ugly designed device and would have been an awesome time for WP to come out with a great looking device for such a premium OS that WP 8.1 is.

    It is SAD that MS is going to miss this holiday season. SAD
    My oh my another in of these threads. Oh and the One M8 is a premium phone and in my opinion the 1520 is premium as well. Disaster averted.
    10-23-2014 05:51 PM
  7. LumiaIcon's Avatar
    My oh my another in of these threads. Oh and the One M8 is a premium phone and in my opinion the 1520 is premium as well. Disaster averted.
    M8 is ONE premium WP phone in a sea of competing devices from Android and Apple which also INCLUDE the M8 anyway. The 1520 is a premium phone for 2013 and still relevant only because of its quality. I would argue you can only ride something for so long before no one cares.
    10-23-2014 11:40 PM
  8. JamesDax's Avatar
    At the end of the day Windows Phone has three(including the 930/Icon) premium devices available today. 'nuff said.
    10-24-2014 07:41 AM
  9. undulose's Avatar
    For the OP, it is also a good strategy to sell low-cost but relatively better-performing phones (compared to low-cost Androids) because there's more people capable of buying them than rich people like you buying flagship phones. Do your research and realize that not every person in the world avails a contract to buy a phone. In our country (which is a third-world country btw), most people buy phones off-contract. Maintaining a contract is a lot more expensive in the long run since poorer people cannot afford to pay the monthly fee for a contract. Where the minimum price for a contract is $8 per month, the average poor consumer here can afford just between $2-4 of cellphone load per month. And that difference is already substantial for them.

    Another problem of my fellow citizens is the availability of a regular job, since contractual workers aren't allowed to avail telco contracts.

    And yes, phone manufacturers should also consider these people. I'm defending already against any anti-poor sentiment you may comment.
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    10-24-2014 08:32 AM
  10. surfacedude's Avatar
    true there are three premium devices, but they are three odd devices to have as your premium devices. one is a phablet. and if i'm not mistaken, it's the biggest phablet on the market.

    the htc option is also a android phone, so you're essentially making folks choose one os or another. that puts windows phone at a disadvantage. the stronger position is to win people over w/ both software and hardware.

    the lumia icon was recently discontinued at verizon so that's not really even an option anymore. if you want that phone, then you're subject to "while supplies last" situation.

    imo, all three options are weak options given the windows phone lineup. i think microsoft should be attacking the phone market from both ends by producing flagship and low cost phones and getting them on every major carrier. make choosing a windows phone that much easier for anyone on any carrier. i'm actually a big fan of windows phone, but i'm thinking of switching to someting else because i'm on att and don't want the m8 or the huge 1520, and i'm really ready to replace my 920 w/ another flagship. maybe i'll get the 830, but that's not an upgrade really. i could jump to verizon for an icon if one is available in a local store, my att plan on verizon would cost me more money. ....so android is looking very tempting at the moment.
    10-24-2014 09:21 AM
  11. awilliams1701's Avatar
    The Icon may have been discontinued, but not the 930 which is nearly identical. I suspect you can probably get it to work on AT&T or something. I've gone the 1520.3 route myself. I don't have service yet, but I plan on going to AT&T today to switch. I already love the phone. for the first time since my old 3.5" HTC Arrive I can actually type without fat fingering. That tells you how awesome physical keyboards are over on screen keyboards. Its an awesome phone and I noticed that even websites actually feel useful. Never really liked tiny mobile web on the Icon. Its amazing how much better 1" more makes.

    true there are three premium devices, but they are three odd devices to have as your premium devices. one is a phablet. and if i'm not mistaken, it's the biggest phablet on the market.

    the htc option is also a android phone, so you're essentially making folks choose one os or another. that puts windows phone at a disadvantage. the stronger position is to win people over w/ both software and hardware.

    the lumia icon was recently discontinued at verizon so that's not really even an option anymore. if you want that phone, then you're subject to "while supplies last" situation.

    imo, all three options are weak options given the windows phone lineup. i think microsoft should be attacking the phone market from both ends by producing flagship and low cost phones and getting them on every major carrier. make choosing a windows phone that much easier for anyone on any carrier. i'm actually a big fan of windows phone, but i'm thinking of switching to someting else because i'm on att and don't want the m8 or the huge 1520, and i'm really ready to replace my 920 w/ another flagship. maybe i'll get the 830, but that's not an upgrade really. i could jump to verizon for an icon if one is available in a local store, my att plan on verizon would cost me more money. ....so android is looking very tempting at the moment.
    10-24-2014 10:17 AM
  12. rickerwin's Avatar
    Liam Tung posted this today on ZD Net:

    " ... Microsoft will be unveiling its first Microsoft Lumia device "soon"."
    10-24-2014 01:21 PM
  13. venious's Avatar
    Yeah, most likely the 830 on att just without the Nokia name printed on it.
    Liam Tung posted this today on ZD Net:

    " ... Microsoft will be unveiling its first Microsoft Lumia device "soon"."
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    10-24-2014 01:40 PM
  14. JamesDax's Avatar
    true there are three premium devices, but they are three odd devices to have as your premium devices. one is a phablet. and if i'm not mistaken, it's the biggest phablet on the market.

    the htc option is also a android phone, so you're essentially making folks choose one os or another. that puts windows phone at a disadvantage. the stronger position is to win people over w/ both software and hardware.

    the lumia icon was recently discontinued at verizon so that's not really even an option anymore. if you want that phone, then you're subject to "while supplies last" situation.

    imo, all three options are weak options given the windows phone lineup. i think microsoft should be attacking the phone market from both ends by producing flagship and low cost phones and getting them on every major carrier. make choosing a windows phone that much easier for anyone on any carrier. i'm actually a big fan of windows phone, but i'm thinking of switching to someting else because i'm on att and don't want the m8 or the huge 1520, and i'm really ready to replace my 920 w/ another flagship. maybe i'll get the 830, but that's not an upgrade really. i could jump to verizon for an icon if one is available in a local store, my att plan on verizon would cost me more money. ....so android is looking very tempting at the moment.
    Well you are welcome to your opinion but that doesn't change the facts. There are three premium WP currently available.
    undulose likes this.
    10-24-2014 06:15 PM
  15. paulxxwall's Avatar
    Well you are welcome to your opinion but that doesn't change the facts. There are three premium WP currently available.
    actually just 2 icon and 930 are same and soon no more icon....so yeah just 2 once icon gone only 1520 here in the us
    10-24-2014 09:28 PM
  16. Christian Matthew's Avatar
    Well you are welcome to your opinion but that doesn't change the facts. There are three premium WP currently available.
    those are premium phones... for 2013... it is about to be 2015
    LumiaIcon likes this.
    10-25-2014 09:24 PM
  17. xandros9's Avatar
    HTC One (M8) is still held as the flagship, HTC hasn't put out a new one yet?
    The Icon came out in February this year, no?

    etc etc, so what it isn't bleeding edge? They're still pretty darn powerful.

    They don't p00p out phones every six months...
    windows94 likes this.
    10-25-2014 10:07 PM
  18. windows94's Avatar
    Meh. I have a 635 (and a 521 as a backup) and love it. I have had flagships and low cost phones. I have had 5 IOS devices, over 20 android devices, and 8 WP devices. WP is the most fluid no matter the specs. (though IOS isn't bad if the phone is less than a year old). You don't NEED a flagship device. And if you REALLY want one. What's wrong with the 1520? Or the 830? What about the 930 or icon? What about the m8???
    10-25-2014 10:23 PM
  19. anon(5383410)'s Avatar
    Anyone who wants to buy a new phone every holiday season will be constantly switching brands/ carriers or be very disappointed.
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    10-25-2014 10:36 PM
  20. LumiaWorld's Avatar
    Yeah, most likely the 830 on att just without the Nokia name printed on it.
    Ohhh I hope not. That would be so lame!
    10-25-2014 10:57 PM
  21. LumiaIcon's Avatar
    Anyone who wants to buy a new phone every holiday season will be constantly switching brands/ carriers or be very disappointed.
    Unless you are buying Samsung or Apple, which seem to pull it off quite easily every year to positive results. Really not...that hard.
    10-26-2014 01:16 AM
  22. LumiaIcon's Avatar
    those are premium phones... for 2013... it is about to be 2015
    ...and if Windows Phone fans are frustrated, what do you think the consumer market as a whole chooses to do? #lackofmarketshare
    10-26-2014 01:18 AM
  23. JamesDax's Avatar
    I'm not frustrated. I'm quite happy with my 1520. Which, btw, is still a premium phone.
    10-26-2014 07:01 AM
  24. anon(5383410)'s Avatar
    Unless you are buying Samsung or Apple, which seem to pull it off quite easily every year to positive results. Really not...that hard.
    I'm talking about windows phone. If you want to include Apple and Samsung I can add "or are dumb enough to be tricked into buying the same phone every year".
    BobLobIaw likes this.
    10-26-2014 08:39 AM
  25. LumiaIcon's Avatar
    I'm not frustrated. I'm quite happy with my 1520. Which, btw, is still a premium phone.
    Me too. Love my phone. Happy! Simply believe that consumers demand more choice and a faster cycle.
    10-26-2014 10:49 AM
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