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  1. cba191's Avatar
    Then were win the spec wars. There'd be world peace. And we'd all live happily ever after.
    10-31-2014 01:11 PM
  2. chezm's Avatar
    Keep in mind that Windows RT has less requirements than full featured windows. Windows requirements have been fixed since windows 7 was released and windows 7's requirements are what Vista's should have been in the first place. Will it run on a 512 phone? Maybe. Would we want it to? Probably not. I think it will be fine on a 1gb phone. The only question is will it. Oh and you can still run windows 7 all the way up to 10 with an Intel Pentium 4 processor. The P4 is and always was a piece of crap. Its actually so bad that the core 2 line was based off the P3 and not the P4. I promise you that the SD800 will be supported and the older processors like what's in the 920 probably will be too. Keep in mind that supporting processors and completely existing phones are two separate things. The 540 could end up having specs similar to the 920 and running windows 10.
    I agreed with everything you said, except the bolded part as thats speculation more than truth. Will they be supported? Possibility, however doesnt necessarily mean they will work nicely (fluid, smooth without lag). Thats my issue, the unknown...but i guess we have to wait and see.
    10-31-2014 01:18 PM
  3. awilliams1701's Avatar
    SD800 is already fairly high end there isn't any reason to believe it wouldn't be supported. MS has done a good job of making every version of windows run faster or as fast as the previous version. Windows 10 might not be called phone, but I suspect its still going to be basically the same OS with a fresh coat of paint and some additional features. I'm 99.99999% certain it will run on 930/Icon/1520 like hardware I'm 95% certain that it will run on 920 grade hardware. I'm about 75% certain it will run on a 520. Hell you can run windows phone 8 on an HD2. For the record the HD2 predates windows phone 7. Its old Windows Mobile hardware. The only reason old windows phone 7 devices didn't get 8 is because there was no clear upgrade path. However hackers made it happen anyway. The catch is that it was a complete wipe of the phone. They said it ran just fine even on a single core.

    Now while I believe it will run on phones similar to what we have now even as low as the 520, I can't actually say if it will happen. You could end up with no upgrade path again and the only difference between the 540 and the 530 being the installed OS. Or there could be an upgrade path and you could at least unofficially get it on all WP8 devices. I know do know for a fact that it won't be all because the 810 is already EOL. I suspect Verizon won't waste their time with the Icon since its discontinued. TBH I'm not sure they'll waste their time with any of the current phones.

    I agreed with everything you said, except the bolded part as thats speculation more than truth. Will they be supported? Possibility, however doesnt necessarily mean they will work nicely (fluid, smooth without lag). Thats my issue, the unknown...but i guess we have to wait and see.
    10-31-2014 04:51 PM
  4. JamesDax's Avatar
    When WP10 comes around and the only devices that will properly support the new OS are 2GB RAM devices (hypothetically speaking of course), lets count how many of those devices WP8/8.1 has now will support it...While I agree the kernel change was REQUIRED to move forward, the mid range focus with very few high end phones only leads to believe the case will happen again, just this time it will be "In order for WP10 to run on WP8/8.1 devices you'll need at least 2GB of RAM, excluding the L1020 which uses the additional RAM for camera processing and its EoL anyway."

    Im sorry but find it hard to believe if WP10 comes out late 2015 (which is likely the case), anything Snapdragon less than 800 would be supported...and even 800 is a far stretch.
    You assume much and know little.
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    11-02-2014 12:56 AM
  5. Shockwave78's Avatar
    As someone who has had every iphone and wanted to switch away since about 2011 due to the small screen sizes, the iphone 6 plus came out and finally satisfied that need. The bottom line is that is still plain iOS on a bigger phone. I tried/purchased the Nokia 1520 three separate times last year and loved it, other than a few really annoying quirks that were fixed in WP8.1. So since WP8.1 has come out there has been NOTHING released that compares to the phone as a flagship. I am not going to go out now and spend $500 on a 1 year old phone. Even though the 1520 is a great phone MS needs to release something in the 5.5" like everyone else.

    It is mind blowing they have not had a follow up yet to the 1520 or the 1020.
    11-02-2014 06:59 AM
  6. mikecherng's Avatar
    Agreed with you guys. I love my 8.1 on 1520 and what's driving me crazy is that in sg, my plans allows for a yearly phone upgrade and Dec 2014 is near. IPhone 6+ looks tempting hardware wise. Been there with IOS and everytime I looked at the gorgeous WP tiles, I have second thoughts about ever going back to IOS... But my 1520 batts life are shorten now and that's really bugging me. I got the apps I need on WP but hardware / battery is why I need to get a new one... But sadly no rumors of ang flagship phones... This wait is terrible
    11-02-2014 09:21 AM
  7. Penguin apple's Avatar
    There might be a reason for the delay of the Lumia 1030. One thing is the Nokia acquisition which might delay things. Another one is the development of Windows 10 and the cloud first initiative with a new CEO. You see, Microsoft have had quite a busy year.
    Third, it seems the Nokia Pureview Pro camera sensor chief engineer went to Apple recently, so I suspect they have had to reorganize their development team quite a bit.

    Just search the net for:
    apple just hired nokia pureview camera expert
    (My forum rating is too low to embed links).

    I myself use Lumia 1020. I, if anyone, am really excited to see a sequel. I will however deliberately wait a long time until I decide whether to upgrade or not.
    If I decide to buy, I wait until the contract-free carrier-unlocked price drops significantly like their previous phones did. The big advantage with WP is that it doesn't get old like Android. For example, The S3 from Samsung is a VERY capable phone still, but people probably laugh over its ancient Android software. But in the WP world, a Lumia 1020 is golden a year after release and even now, 1.5 years afterwards.

    As a sidenote, Windows Phone is extremely irrelevant here in Sweden and so the retailers online sell out the devices dirt cheap, no contracts necessary, when they are considered "old" or non-trendy. I will eventually switch to a 1020 sequel I'm sure, as long as the contract-free carrier-unlocked price is right.
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    11-02-2014 09:35 AM
  8. danielgr's Avatar
    Tired of waiting, I just grabbed myself a 930.
    I must say it's a gorgeous phone and camera, and overall pretty satisfied, and yet I can't help but thinking that my ideal phone:
    * Would have a 4.7" or 4.8"screen (FullHD)
    * Would have Glance support (that is the one thing I'm really missing from my 925)
    * Would weight 20 to 30g less.
    * Would have an even better camera (1030 someone)?

    But anyway, as I said, this device is truly amazing, if a bit heavy and still large to me.
    11-02-2014 08:32 PM
  9. awilliams1701's Avatar
    Save your money. If you're happy with what you got, you can end your contract and save money. My AT&T phone bill is $15 less because I don't have a contract.

    Agreed with you guys. I love my 8.1 on 1520 and what's driving me crazy is that in sg, my plans allows for a yearly phone upgrade and Dec 2014 is near. IPhone 6+ looks tempting hardware wise. Been there with IOS and everytime I looked at the gorgeous WP tiles, I have second thoughts about ever going back to IOS... But my 1520 batts life are shorten now and that's really bugging me. I got the apps I need on WP but hardware / battery is why I need to get a new one... But sadly no rumors of ang flagship phones... This wait is terrible
    11-03-2014 12:42 PM
  10. chezm's Avatar
    You assume much and know little.
    All your responses are no longer than one sentence and add little value to conversation.

    I assume much? The irony is hilarious lol.
    11-03-2014 02:01 PM
  11. chezm's Avatar
    SD800 is already fairly high end there isn't any reason to believe it wouldn't be supported. MS has done a good job of making every version of windows run faster or as fast as the previous version. Windows 10 might not be called phone, but I suspect its still going to be basically the same OS with a fresh coat of paint and some additional features. I'm 99.99999% certain it will run on 930/Icon/1520 like hardware I'm 95% certain that it will run on 920 grade hardware. I'm about 75% certain it will run on a 520. Hell you can run windows phone 8 on an HD2. For the record the HD2 predates windows phone 7. Its old Windows Mobile hardware. The only reason old windows phone 7 devices didn't get 8 is because there was no clear upgrade path. However hackers made it happen anyway. The catch is that it was a complete wipe of the phone. They said it ran just fine even on a single core.

    Now while I believe it will run on phones similar to what we have now even as low as the 520, I can't actually say if it will happen. You could end up with no upgrade path again and the only difference between the 540 and the 530 being the installed OS. Or there could be an upgrade path and you could at least unofficially get it on all WP8 devices. I know do know for a fact that it won't be all because the 810 is already EOL. I suspect Verizon won't waste their time with the Icon since its discontinued. TBH I'm not sure they'll waste their time with any of the current phones.
    Again, while some of this may be true its as much speculation as my own interpretation of what COULD happen. Im not say the devices WONT run W10 Mobile fine, im just saying with the experience that some users running 8.1/Cyan are good while others witness different experiences, releasing an even bigger change to the OS to go either way.

    I HOPE for everyones sake all WP8 devices (including 520's, 720's, etc) run WP10 without any concerns, if this can be pulled off by Microsoft...I'll be impressed. Lets just wait and see =)
    11-03-2014 02:07 PM
  12. HelloLudger's Avatar
    You know what bugs me? With W10 being only in June/July earliest Microsoft will not only miss Christmas, they will probably also miss CES and MWC.

    Or they'll release some WP 8.1 Update 2/3. But if they do that, they'll hopefully guarantee the update to 10.
    11-03-2014 02:54 PM
  13. awilliams1701's Avatar
    Spec wise I believe all windows 8 phones will be able to run it. Possibly not at then low end (IE 520), but I think even they will be able to run it.

    Now with that said there is a difference between the specs being good enough to run it and them actually getting updated to run it. I think if there is an issue, that's where it will be. We already know the 810 won't get it(at least not officially) because T-Mobile killed it 100%. I'm guessing the Icon won't officially get it because Verizon discontinued it. I suspect the 1520 will get it.

    Again, while some of this may be true its as much speculation as my own interpretation of what COULD happen. Im not say the devices WONT run W10 Mobile fine, im just saying with the experience that some users running 8.1/Cyan are good while others witness different experiences, releasing an even bigger change to the OS to go either way.

    I HOPE for everyones sake all WP8 devices (including 520's, 720's, etc) run WP10 without any concerns, if this can be pulled off by Microsoft...I'll be impressed. Lets just wait and see =)
    11-03-2014 04:38 PM
  14. Gregory Newman's Avatar
    I think Microsoft will introduce next year "Windows 10 Mobile OS" "UNIVERSAL APPS" Smart phones and Windows on Arms CPU Tablets. The Windows 10 mobile OS on ARMS CPU Tablets still wont run Windows Intei/AMD x86 CPU Desktop/Server Programs but will run the Previous Windows RT OS apps and the exciting new MS UNIVERSAL APPS that can be written to run on any Device that runs Windows 10. Windows 10 will be a big deal for Microsoft.
    11-04-2014 11:07 AM
  15. Christian Matthew's Avatar
    I think Microsoft will introduce next year "Windows 10 Mobile OS" "UNIVERSAL APPS" Smart phones and Windows on Arms CPU Tablets. The Windows 10 mobile OS on ARMS CPU Tablets still wont run Windows Intei/AMD x86 CPU Desktop/Server Programs but will run the Previous Windows RT OS apps and the exciting new MS UNIVERSAL APPS that can be written to run on any Device that runs Windows 10. Windows 10 will be a big deal for Microsoft.
    even if that is true, which i hope that it is, why can't MSFT release a device that can be upgraded to Windows 10? I wouldn't be upset if I could upgrade my device to Windows 10 even if I bought now.

    Hmmm, perhaps this is the whole issue. Windows 10 won't be compatible with current gen phones so MSFT won't release anything high end until W10 is ready.

    Is this the case? I wonder.
    11-07-2014 08:40 PM
  16. win10's Avatar
    I believe the key to Microsoft's success with Lumia is to make the most desirable and the most expensive flagship in the phone market. That way, the city-slickers will buy it so they can own "the best" and the more budget conscious customers will be able to buy a more sensibly priced phone running the same operating system with the same features. I am not a city-slicker (quite the opposite in fact) but I, and many others, would buy the flagship.

    The flagship model should include:-
    The most powerful Snapdragon processor (810?)
    The best camera (without the 1020 bulk)
    The best designed case (possibly with metal surround and replaceable back cover)
    A stylus (like the Note 4)
    The best fingerprint scanner (like the iPhone that works well and requires no swipe)
    The best display (possibly AMOLED with sapphire glass)
    The best RAM and storage (3GB + 128 GB + expandable memory)
    The best battery life
    The best Office phone, with local storage synchronisation with One Drive
    Dual sim
    etc, etc . . .

    In my humble view, Microsoft already have:-
    The best personal assistant with Cortana (responds well, has clever features, and last but not least, a sense of humour)
    The best camera solution
    Windows 10 launch in 2015, which hopefully will be more successful than Win8 and become the most widely used OS in the world
    The best OneDrive solution (unlimited storage with Office 365 - Unbelievable !)

    It's not rocket science. Have the best designers (not techies) integrate the best components currently available into one beautiful phone and then charge the highest price for it. What's required is not half measures, but balls.
    11-08-2014 01:59 AM
  17. Christian Matthew's Avatar
    I have seen the teaser for the Lumia event on the 14th and I would love to be pleasantly surprised.
    11-10-2014 11:54 AM
  18. jasqid's Avatar
    I have seen the teaser for the Lumia event on the 14th and I would love to be pleasantly surprised.
    The only thing that would surprise me is if they ship anything before Q2 2015
    11-10-2014 12:23 PM
  19. chezm's Avatar
    Hmmm, perhaps this is the whole issue. Windows 10 won't be compatible with current gen phones so MSFT won't release anything high end until W10 is ready.

    Is this the case? I wonder.
    Bingo. Exactly the point i keep raising. Maybe MS will release this next flagship that will be a poster-child for W10...who knows? But there are too many "Should's" and "likely" and not enough assurances to ease the raised flag. Lets hope the case is MS is preparing to release a power house (not necessarily specs wise but feature/originality) product that will make Apple/Google shiver in concern.
    11-10-2014 03:06 PM
  20. LumiaIcon's Avatar
    It is unfortunate that threads go on and on, laboring over the same subject. A subject that a fortune 500 company should easily be able to tackle. Solution:


    Create a phone that can truly be called a "flagship." Do this EVERY year on a regular schedule and deliver the product on time. Allow those of us in countries that have indoor plumbing, to pay a premium for it and give us enough options on EVERY carrier to have a few choices when we go to the store. It really isn't that hard. The O.S. Has won the battle. Lost sales are a result of TIME and a lack of CHOICE.
    Christian Matthew likes this.
    11-13-2014 12:53 AM
  21. haikallp's Avatar
    After owning three windows phone devices, right from windows phone 7.0, I can say I've given up hope. Its like MS wants their platform to fail.
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    11-13-2014 10:08 AM
  22. Christian Matthew's Avatar
    yea it's like blowing in the wind of uncertainty. I just assumed the 1020, 920, and 1520 would be annual updates. all striking a particular cord with consumers. It is literally unreal. I'm not saying the M8 isn't a premium phone... but it already old... I am patiently waiting for something else to come out. I think they came out with two surface models within 9 months. like WTH.
    11-15-2014 12:30 PM
  23. fiveaces01's Avatar
    In response to Berty6294...you mean like the 830???
    Last edited by fiveaces01; 11-15-2014 at 12:48 PM. Reason: proper placement
    11-15-2014 12:44 PM
  24. fiveaces01's Avatar
    I understand and agree with the idea of infiltrating the low end phone market. But seriously how many of these devices are necessary to achieve that goal. We have the 520, 521, 525, 635, 735, 830 ....I consider anything packing less than 16 gb storage and less than the s-800 processor to be an entry level phone. I mean really....how many choices do you get on a $1 burger?
    11-15-2014 01:00 PM
  25. EspHack's Avatar
    as long as they keep releasing crippled "flagships" I wont bother to upgrade, the 1520 seems like the best wp but lacks xenon flash and amoled screen, wp is becoming too generic, we don't have a killer feature exclusive to windows or anything, they just keep focusing on low cost crap, they need to remember that high end phones with groundbreaking features are the ones that make headlines, after the lumia 920, everyone I know is certain that "Lumia" means imaging superiority, specially in low light
    11-15-2014 01:37 PM
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