11-04-2014 11:05 AM
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  1. dlalonde's Avatar
    Android looks way better than it did. I've hated Android since they introduced JellyBean. Ugleeey! (yes I know not everyone will agree :P) I agree with the reviewer that Android's always been behind on look and feel and this time they seem to have nailed it. But this version is absolutely gorgeous.

    Is WP way behind? No. It's just different. But there are some functionnalities I'd like to see there like priority notifications or real quick toggles for settings.

    The two-step verification though, I prefer WP's take on it which is if the phone number on your MS account matches the one your phone has, you won't need a validation code.

    But yeah I think there are limits to comparing two different operating systems.
    10-23-2014 11:34 AM
  2. Waylon Payne's Avatar
    Not really, tap once it downloads, tap again and it opens in PDF Reader 😉

    And then try put it in OneNote... The ios version lets you attach directly from within OneNote and when you save to OneNote from a mail, you can even choose the destination notebook.

    Right now wp does a lot of things well but everything feels unfinished.
    10-23-2014 12:23 PM
  3. Andrea988's Avatar
    Nope, I don't like it at all. Looks messy to me. I love the simplicity of WP.

    Anyway I've never been a fan of data harvesting even before Android existed so it's unlikely I will ever go back regardless of what it looks like. Besides, I'm so much more happier with my 930 than I ever have been with anything I've had before it.
    10-23-2014 12:45 PM
  4. salmanahmad's Avatar
    I can understand that there are people here that have invested a lot of their time and money on Windows Phone and are willing to support it no matter what, and I highly respect them.

    With that said, I disagree with a lot of what the previous posters have said. Windows Phone has a totally different UI from the concept of Material Design. Maybe there are a few elements here and there that Material Design has picked up from Windows Phone, but for the most part it is different.

    And what makes Material Design so great isn't even the bolder colours, it's the whole new animations, fluidity and polish and drop shadows, very different from what you see on Windows Phone.

    Also Android is focusing on letting the users view "more" of their content by making the system elements as less of an interference as possible(titles, large fonts and photos fade into the background).

    Windows Phone IMO has a pretty inconsistent UI, you'll have places where the title of the app is huge and the text beneath it is extra tiny. It uses screen size inefficiently.

    Moving onwards Android L is more of a visual overhaul so that people that previously criticised Android for not being as "polished" or "beautiful" as competing OSes, can no longer complain.

    They've also focused on improving performance by making ART the default(also improving garbage collection), 60 FPS animations, and 64 bit support.

    Also they've managed to get some of the most powerful SOCs on board like Nvidia to get console quality games on Android, they've also improved the quality of graphics.

    Also audio latency has been dramatically reduced, allowing for professional recording apps in the future.

    Talking strictly from a functionality point of view I can confidently say that an Android phone running Jellybean will be able to do more than a Windows Phone running the latest version, Lollipop further solidifies that and I can even make a video showing of hundreds of "useful" features of Android L that Windows Phone(or iOS for that matter) don't.

    I know that there we're in the past things that Windows Phone could do what Android couldn't, for example manual camera controls but Android has that too now.

    Unless you really really like the design of Windows Phone, I see barely any other reasons for why Windows Phone could be considered even close to Android Lollipop.

    My honest opinion on Android L. And I'll say this, design is highly subjective and not everyone can be pleased by the same thing. There are things about Android L that I do not also like(like the new Play Store icon).

    But as a whole Android Lollipop is great. Windows 10 for mobile will have really step up it's game.
    D M C, LumiaWorld and lovenokia like this.
    10-23-2014 12:58 PM
  5. ZackTheNever's Avatar
    Nahhh... Still and always will be the most insecure mobile OS on the planet. I've literally tried to get a virus on WP and its impossible haha!
    10-23-2014 12:58 PM
  6. thesachd's Avatar
    Nahhh... Still and always will be the most insecure mobile OS on the planet. I've literally tried to get a virus on WP and its impossible haha!
    Haha I know dat feel.

    I've literally tried to get an official YouTube, Snapchat, Feedly, imgur, Google+ and dozens of other apps and games on Windows Phone and it's impossible haha.
    10-23-2014 01:27 PM
  7. neo158's Avatar
    I can understand that there are people here that have invested a lot of their time and money on Windows Phone and are willing to support it no matter what, and I highly respect them.

    With that said, I disagree with a lot of what the previous posters have said. Windows Phone has a totally different UI from the concept of Material Design. Maybe there are a few elements here and there that Material Design has picked up from Windows Phone, but for the most part it is different.

    And what makes Material Design so great isn't even the bolder colours, it's the whole new animations, fluidity and polish and drop shadows, very different from what you see on Windows Phone.

    Also Android is focusing on letting the users view "more" of their content by making the system elements as less of an interference as possible(titles, large fonts and photos fade into the background).

    Windows Phone IMO has a pretty inconsistent UI, you'll have places where the title of the app is huge and the text beneath it is extra tiny. It uses screen size inefficiently.

    Moving onwards Android L is more of a visual overhaul so that people that previously criticised Android for not being as "polished" or "beautiful" as competing OSes, can no longer complain.

    They've also focused on improving performance by making ART the default(also improving garbage collection), 60 FPS animations, and 64 bit support.

    Also they've managed to get some of the most powerful SOCs on board like Nvidia to get console quality games on Android, they've also improved the quality of graphics.

    Also audio latency has been dramatically reduced, allowing for professional recording apps in the future.

    Talking strictly from a functionality point of view I can confidently say that an Android phone running Jellybean will be able to do more than a Windows Phone running the latest version, Lollipop further solidifies that and I can even make a video showing of hundreds of "useful" features of Android L that Windows Phone(or iOS for that matter) don't.

    I know that there we're in the past things that Windows Phone could do what Android couldn't, for example manual camera controls but Android has that too now.

    Unless you really really like the design of Windows Phone, I see barely any other reasons for why Windows Phone could be considered even close to Android Lollipop.

    My honest opinion on Android L. And I'll say this, design is highly subjective and not everyone can be pleased by the same thing. There are things about Android L that I do not also like(like the new Play Store icon).

    But as a whole Android Lollipop is great. Windows 10 for mobile will have really step up it's game.
    As I said before, I have no problem with Android as in the underlying OS but the UI is terribly inconsistent between the built in apps. If you understood why Microsoft used different text sizes then you might understand just how much more consistent WP actually is compared with Android. If you want examples then I can post them.
    10-23-2014 01:38 PM
  8. D M C's Avatar
    Well, this is Windows Central so you have to expect a certain amount of hate on here.

    I don't hate Android either but I do hate an inconsistent interface, as a result I'll be sticking with Windows Phone for a long time because I don't see the cluster**** of an interface that Android has changing any time soon.
    Then you must hate Windows 8 too.
    Compare to windows 7 ,it's ui is quite inconsistent.
    And W10 too because further change in UI
    10-23-2014 01:48 PM
  9. D M C's Avatar
    Nahhh... Still and always will be the most insecure mobile OS on the planet. I've literally tried to get a virus on WP and its impossible haha!
    And Windows?
    10-23-2014 01:51 PM
  10. arronov's Avatar
    Nope, I don't like it at all. Looks messy to me. I love the simplicity of WP.

    Anyway I've never been a fan of data harvesting even before Android existed so it's unlikely I will ever go back regardless of what it looks like. Besides, I'm so much more happier with my 930 than I ever have been with anything I've had before it.
    Interesting, hmm... data harvesting... so do you think microsoft doesn't do the same thing to us? we don't have any prove this company so "clean" and will not do the same (either)

    In my opinion, as long as we put all our information in a smartphone, it means we agreed our data to be harvested... we are living in the global world and global network, all informations can be easily to share.
    Last edited by arronov; 10-23-2014 at 11:37 PM.
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    10-23-2014 01:54 PM
  11. salmanahmad's Avatar
    As I said before, I have no problem with Android as in the underlying OS but the UI is terribly inconsistent between the built in apps. If you understood why Microsoft used different text sizes then you might understand just how much more consistent WP actually is compared with Android. If you want examples then I can post them.
    While previously Android apps could be inconsistent and follow whatever design language they wanted(good or bad), Material Design should in theory change that.

    It's not only the huge font size but also the persistent titles or headers in apps like Facebook Messenger that take up a lot of space.

    And you can't say Android L apps are inconsistent when only a handful of apps have been Android L optimised, and those that have been optimised are pretty consistent.

    From Holo to Material:
    10-23-2014 01:54 PM
  12. GSOgymrat's Avatar
    While previously Android apps could be inconsistent and follow whatever design language they wanted(good or bad), Material Design should in theory change that.
    That is what I am hoping for. I don't really care about animations but I like things to be simple, uncluttered and consistent. I don't like it when Windows apps are not consistent either, for example Spotify for Windows Phone doesn't look like it was designed for Windows Phone.
    10-23-2014 02:30 PM
  13. chezm's Avatar
    Is it better than WP? No, as some have said and I agree with its a different approach to UI. Whether its better or not is definitely subjective. Features aside, the most impressive changes in L from KK are the fluid transitions, less process intensive architecture (from whats been highlighted) and improved battery life. I do wish there was a Dark Theme option similar to what WP offers, heres to hoping Android adds it after some complaints.

    As I said before, I have no problem with Android as in the underlying OS but the UI is terribly inconsistent between the built in apps.
    Dude, its a Developer Preview. I do not see inconsistency with the Google specific apps, the new Mail, Messanger, Google Now, Calender all follow a similar design. WP users experienced problems as well during the 8.1 preview, maybe not UI consistency differences but thats because the UI didnt change.
    10-23-2014 02:57 PM
  14. Waylon Payne's Avatar
    I'll agree that they didn't copy wp, they copied ios (blatantly) but then ios copied the flat design aesthetic from wp...
    10-23-2014 03:14 PM
  15. trivor's Avatar
    Please explain why? You're in denial if you think android l is some big leap over WP.
    I have a Lumia 520, a Toshiba Encore, and a W8 laptop and a W10 Tech Preview laptop and until Windows fixes the app gap and gets on a quicker update cycle for hardware it has little to no chance to move off of its 3-4% market share. People are not going to switch to a platform where they have less apps than they had on Android or iOS. As for usability is a matter of taste (not fact) as to whether Windows Phone has a better UI than Android. Compared to the apps I use on a daily or weekly basis Windows phone has less than 20% of the apps I use and want. If they were up around 90% I could at least consider it. Also, MS is killing itself with carrier exclusives. If I want either of the new iPhones or any of the Android Flagships (LG G3, S5, HTC One (M8) it is just a question of which carrier I want to use my phone on. As for UI, I can make Android look like whatever I want it to and while I hate the carrier bloatware (Verizon is the worst) and would prefer to be able to uninstall it, being able to disable most of it gets it out of sight, out of mind except for some (< 1 GB) lost storage space because the app is still on the phone.
    10-23-2014 05:49 PM
  16. JamesDax's Avatar
    I have a Lumia 520, a Toshiba Encore, and a W8 laptop and a W10 Tech Preview laptop and until Windows fixes the app gap and gets on a quicker update cycle for hardware it has little to no chance to move off of its 3-4% market share. People are not going to switch to a platform where they have less apps than they had on Android or iOS. As for usability is a matter of taste (not fact) as to whether Windows Phone has a better UI than Android. Compared to the apps I use on a daily or weekly basis Windows phone has less than 20% of the apps I use and want. If they were up around 90% I could at least consider it. Also, MS is killing itself with carrier exclusives. If I want either of the new iPhones or any of the Android Flagships (LG G3, S5, HTC One (M8) it is just a question of which carrier I want to use my phone on. As for UI, I can make Android look like whatever I want it to and while I hate the carrier bloatware (Verizon is the worst) and would prefer to be able to uninstall it, being able to disable most of it gets it out of sight, out of mind except for some (< 1 GB) lost storage space because the app is still on the phone.
    I disagree.
    10-23-2014 05:55 PM
  17. Microsoftjunkie's Avatar
    I have a Lumia 520, a Toshiba Encore, and a W8 laptop and a W10 Tech Preview laptop and until Windows fixes the app gap and gets on a quicker update cycle for hardware it has little to no chance to move off of its 3-4% market share. People are not going to switch to a platform where they have less apps than they had on Android or iOS. As for usability is a matter of taste (not fact) as to whether Windows Phone has a better UI than Android. Compared to the apps I use on a daily or weekly basis Windows phone has less than 20% of the apps I use and want. If they were up around 90% I could at least consider it. Also, MS is killing itself with carrier exclusives. If I want either of the new iPhones or any of the Android Flagships (LG G3, S5, HTC One (M8) it is just a question of which carrier I want to use my phone on. As for UI, I can make Android look like whatever I want it to and while I hate the carrier bloatware (Verizon is the worst) and would prefer to be able to uninstall it, being able to disable most of it gets it out of sight, out of mind except for some (< 1 GB) lost storage space because the app is still on the phone.

    Why are you replying to me? , that question was for the poster I wrote to. You wrote a lot of non-sense. I don't agree with that page you wrote.
    10-23-2014 06:23 PM
  18. FinancialP's Avatar
    I disagree.
    Lol, well played well played.



    I think they are all pretty cool.
    10-23-2014 06:53 PM
  19. aveese's Avatar
    i haven't used stock android...
    i had note 2 exynos and currently have a note 10.1 2014 exynos
    and a lumia 1520
    touchwiz kitkat has so many features i would like to have in my 1520!!!
    and yes wp is way behind...just hoping it will change in windows 10 and 1520
    will still be supported by then
    10-23-2014 10:07 PM
  20. Microsoftjunkie's Avatar
    i haven't used stock android...
    i had note 2 exynos and currently have a note 10.1 2014 exynos
    and a lumia 1520
    touchwiz kitkat has so many features i would like to have in my 1520!!!
    and yes wp is way behind...just hoping it will change in windows 10 and 1520
    will still be supported by then
    You neglected to tell us what features, "wWP is way behind" on. I don't see way behind or behind at all.
    10-23-2014 10:28 PM
  21. aveese's Avatar
    toggles-maximum of five in android you can scroll through a lot;
    dialer-no prediction;
    network locking-i use this because of my poor connection;
    choosing which apps to open which files-i wanna open a text file using bookviser;
    mkv won't play even thru moliplayer;
    pop up apps like a calculator;
    floating windows-video player, music player;
    multiwindow-this is 6 inches;
    music player in notifications-i can use the volume up and down but it vanishes quickly;
    cortana in my country;
    tagalog swype-is it that difficult to add another dictionary?
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    10-23-2014 11:13 PM
  22. salmanahmad's Avatar
    I'll agree that they didn't copy wp, they copied ios (blatantly) but then ios copied the flat design aesthetic from wp...
    You seriously need to read up on previous iterations of iOS and Android.

    A lot of the colors you see on Android today originated from features in Custom ROMs and other OEM skins.

    iOS 7 and Windows Phone play a very small role in inspiring Android L.
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    10-24-2014 02:47 AM
  23. S Vaibhav's Avatar
    You seriously need to read up on previous iterations of iOS and Android.

    A lot of the colors you see on Android today originated from features in Custom ROMs and other OEM skins.

    iOS 7 and Windows Phone play a very small role in inspiring Android L.
    Source? WP launched in 2010, it was the only OS then that utilised a flat interface. IOS and android had skeumorphic icons with shadows and reflections. Even the android CEO criticised the WP flat interface back then. Now I see them copying it :D
    10-24-2014 03:17 AM
  24. alllies's Avatar
    I actually like it. The animations are nice.
    Windows Phone 8.1? Yup..me too.
    10-24-2014 03:39 AM
  25. S Vaibhav's Avatar
    toggles-maximum of five in android you can scroll through a lot;
    dialer-no prediction;
    network locking-i use this because of my poor connection;
    choosing which apps to open which files-i wanna open a text file using bookviser;
    mkv won't play even thru moliplayer;
    pop up apps like a calculator;
    floating windows-video player, music player;
    multiwindow-this is 6 inches;
    music player in notifications-i can use the volume up and down but it vanishes quickly;
    cortana in my country;
    tagalog swype-is it that difficult to add another dictionary?
    Toggles- Right, but in android you have to push an extra button to view the toggles, as you can either see the toggles or the notifications but not both. WP has it simple, but I agree, they have to add more toggles.

    Dialler-er, wouldn't it be more simple to tap the people tile and search for the contact? This is Just my opinion, tho.

    Network locking-I think that depends upon your carrier providing this option. I would like to see it for unlocked phones tho. Anyway, isn't it your carrier at fault here for a poor connection?

    You can select which app to open a file, WP presents this option. There's a file picker added since WP 8.1

    Totally wrong. Moliplayer plays mkv files.

    There is an app called multi window in
    The store, you should check it out.

    Hmm,I find using the volume button is more easy than swiping down for a music player, but again that is just me.
    10-24-2014 03:43 AM
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