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  1. scandiskwindows9x's Avatar
    oh the eternal stupid fan war

    i watched the main video and just i find nothing interesting, the functions shown as pin a app and the notifications are not a new or interesting or useful thing, just Android look too kiddish , is not much new that have seen than transitions and effects of fading a la IOS style, now android copied to IOS and Windows Phone. Also i had 5 phones all entry level and mid entry level on Android running 2.2-2.3 4.0-4.2.2 and all them have glitches , from System not responding to extreme slow, in Chile the smartphones are not as cheap as in the United States so most people goes by entry level or mid level phones , what try to say is that Android for get smooth need an 16 core processor and 1Tera hertz of processor for run smooth, so just i still with windows phone . just wonder why android fans comes to here to cause arguments and either how come that people like that wants to push to people to have their own tastes and preferences.
    10-26-2014 07:41 PM
  2. FinancialP's Avatar
    Yeah because Wikipedia is always correct right?

    No offense, but I've had every major windows mobile and phone device for the past 14 years.

    I remember when HTC wasn't a public company and they built Audiovox phones.

    http://gizmodo.com/5325714/microsoft...windows-mobile

    http://gizmodo.com/5374876/windows-m...xcuse-for-this

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/e?l...token=EOicvIbv

    We had arguments about this years ago on XDA. As I said, I was in the custom roms and windows phone 6.5.x was when the name change officially happened. My HTC Touch Pro had a custom rom with it.
    10-26-2014 08:26 PM
  3. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Yeah because Wikipedia is always correct right?

    No offense, but I've had every major windows mobile and phone device for the past 14 years.

    I remember when HTC wasn't a public company and they built Audiovox phones.

    http://gizmodo.com/5325714/microsoft...windows-mobile

    http://gizmodo.com/5374876/windows-m...xcuse-for-this

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/e?l...token=yHLH1Ffn

    We had arguments about this years ago on XDA. As I said, I was in the custom roms and windows phone 6.5.x was when the name change officially happened. My HTC Touch Pro had a custom rom with it.

    6.5 is Windows Mobile on MSDN. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb847935.aspx
    10-26-2014 08:37 PM
  4. FinancialP's Avatar
    True indeed. However from the link I provided.

    "Microsoft, all versions of Windows Mobile from the extant 6.1 to the forthcoming, total-overhaul version 7will be pulled under the Windows Phone umbrella, a move seemingly presaged by the announcement that the new Windows Marketplace for Mobile, will be open to all versions of the OS"

    They have tried to sweep Windows Mobile under the rug. Windows Phone 7 was still using the same kernel as windows mobile thus we knew it was doomed from the start.

    Those of us that were around remember this rebranding.
    10-26-2014 08:43 PM
  5. a5cent's Avatar
    Those of us that were around remember this rebranding.
    You must admit that it is strange that MS doesn't seem to remember it. Anywhere. I can't find a single official web page from MS referring to it in that way. Apparently MS is very consistent in calling it Windows Mobile 6.5. If there was a rebranding, MS apparently forgot to carry through with it.
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    10-26-2014 11:42 PM
  6. portalfocus's Avatar
    I don't get why people insist on saying windows phone is better or worse than this or that. Just enjoy what works better for you in terms of your style and productivity level.

    It is logical that Android is ahead of WP 'cause it has been around for ever in comparison with WP. The same goes to IOS.

    I'd you're willing to switch to WP, then do it. That is
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    10-27-2014 12:19 AM
  7. iamtim's Avatar
    "Microsoft, all versions of Windows Mobile— from the extant 6.1 to the forthcoming, total-overhaul version 7—will be pulled under the Windows Phone umbrella, a move seemingly presaged by the announcement that the new Windows Marketplace for Mobile, will be open to all versions of the OS"
    Emphasis mine.

    "Will be pulled" does not mean "was pulled"; you're quoting something that was supposed to happen at the time it was written. Obviously Microsoft did not follow through, or they had a change of heart after that was written, as 6.5 was, in fact, Windows Mobile.
    Laura Knotek and a5cent like this.
    10-27-2014 01:20 AM
  8. Skinnyman9000's Avatar
    So if WP isn't way behind does that mean everyone here is happy with the current version? Nope?

    Action Launcher for Android brings the alphabetical listing of WP, but in a much more useful packaging. Personally, I've tried WP, and it's just not there yet. I really hope 10 is a massive step forward, as I'd love to give it another go, but at the minute, its just not there.

    And with a market share of 3-4%, its clear that the general public feels the same way.
    10-27-2014 04:35 AM
  9. iakobous's Avatar
    Google Material Design is inspired by Microsoft Metro UI. I hate it when other companies copying Microsoft.
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    10-27-2014 04:45 AM
  10. poddie's Avatar
    It's a nice video.

    I completely fail to see anything here that puts it far ahead of Windows phone.

    I like the multi user stuff, but I suspect we will get that with W10. I absolutely can't stand ask the "buttery animations"... just horrible.

    I also think that 99.999% of people will not be using hardly any of the features he was demoing. Everything seems to require quite a bit of knowledge... use two fingers instead of one while swiping down and it does something different. Does something different when you swipe from the left vs right vs down. Hit this little lined icon and this happens. This does NOT seem user friendly to me... most non programmers I know would not want to take the time to learn all that garbage, and instead would simply find one way they can get to something and stick to it because if they do it a different way it "doesn't work right".

    I just don't don't see what is so attractive here.
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    10-27-2014 05:07 AM
  11. neo158's Avatar
    Quoting Daniel Rubino won't really help your case because I've seen that you people selectively believe what he says.

    If I told you that tests he conducted found that an iPhone 5S took better images than the 925. Or that he found it easier to take photos with an iPhone 6(as opposed to the 1020) at a concert because of the speed?

    Unless someone here we're to make a comparison between a Moto G and Lumia 730(or 830) we won't know which OS performs faster in the low/mid range, until then please take this test as a reference:



    And that test was without Android Lollipop(ART, better garbage collection). Android won in both touch responsiveness and speed.
    Dan Rubino is a far more reliable source of information than you are. People are allowed to have differing opinions you know so we don't ALL have to agree with him.

    Do you really want me to post the video comparing the One M8 for Windows and the One M8 for Android which shows that on identical hardware Windows Phone beats down Android not only in battery life but performance as well. Guess what, that test was also done without Android Lollipop?
    10-27-2014 05:31 AM
  12. FinancialP's Avatar
    You must admit that it is strange that MS doesn't seem to remember it. Anywhere. I can't find a single official web page from MS referring to it in that way. Apparently MS is very consistent in calling it Windows Mobile 6.5. If there was a rebranding, MS apparently forgot to carry through with it.
    Maybe so, but facts are facts.

    We didn't make these splash screens. Microsoft did.

    http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=627019

    Emphasis mine.

    "Will be pulled" does not mean "was pulled"; you're quoting something that was supposed to happen at the time it was written. Obviously Microsoft did not follow through, or they had a change of heart after that was written, as 6.5 was, in fact, Windows Mobile.
    Ok. We can argue this mess forever but facts are facts.


    All of the leaked rom splash screens back then were labeled windows phone.

    On a side note, the name windows phone didn't catch on until way after Windows Phone 7. As windows mobile 7 was a real OS.


    I was a real fan back then, this was before the term fanboy was thrown around, lol.

    I can't find the official page as its long gone, but Microsoft had one. I posted the windows phone 6.5 sdk link a few post ago.

    It should also be noted that this was a time when we were getting screen shots of Windows Mobile 7 ( not windows phone 7), after it was scrapped. I wish I kept those screen shots!

    Microsoft was all over the place.

    The HTC Leo which was renamed the HTC HD2 was supposed to be upgraded to Windows Phone 6.5.x and then Windows Phone 7. However that never officially happened. It happened tho lol.

    Like I said all of this has been swept under the rug. Those of us that were around remember it. Not trying to argue but present the facts, the few that still remain. This site didn't exist. Ppc geeks, XDA , and a few others were around. We had new leaked windows phone 6.5.x rom builds each month. Sometimes twice a month.
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    10-27-2014 06:31 AM
  13. envio's Avatar
    And what proof is there of that statement?

    I can't find any video about low end devices, but comparing high end ones, Android performs way better:



    The Android device simply beat the Windows Phone, and this test wasn't even with Android Lollipop( then the difference would've been even bigger).
    That so called "speedtest" was flawed on so many points, it was laughable as a review. It'll obviously play into the fanboy wars but has no real basis as an unbiased comparison. Nice try.
    neo158 and chezm like this.
    10-27-2014 07:32 AM
  14. colinkiama's Avatar
    well obviously it's behind. Android is open source. Been around for longer, millions of APIs etc. however if you compare WP 8.1.1 to iOS 8.1 is there really much of a difference?
    10-27-2014 08:07 AM
  15. envio's Avatar
    Honestly, I think this is amazing. You can't question its functionality as it's Android, this is to the people saying that Android isn't as functional as WP. We know that WP is behind in many regards and must admit it. Moving on to the OS itself, I think Lollipop has improved and organised the look of the whole OS, prior to this, it was fragmented and un-rythmic. As a matter of fact, (and I might be bashed for saying this) I don't mind using any Mobile OS, be it WP, iOS, Ubuntu or Android as long as it doesn't get in my way.
    Peace!
    Is WP way behind? No. Does Android 5.0 have customisations beyond that which WP currently has? Yes. But simply being ultra configurable does not a great phone, make. Neither does having fancy transitions on tiny UI elements turn Android into some super advanced mobile platform. IMHO, WP excels far and above Android in part because it gets out of your way to enjoy the experience. The UI is still way more fluid, more integrated, more personal and no, I don't work for Microsoft.

    I bought into the WP concept when it was officially announced way back in February 2010, having been completely disappointed with WM6.5.2. I love the Metro way of doing things. I love the deep use of beautiful typography rather than overuse of shiny bevels, gradients, textures, shadows. Android, if anything, is catching up with the modern UI language that Microsoft started way back with the Zune player. The technologies in lollipop are pretty much the same, with some incremental improvements in usability but more and more, I see the bombardment of endless settings everywhere as a hindrance, more than a help.

    Sure, there are plenty of ways that WP can improve but eye-candy isn't one of them. Microsoft got that nailed from day one and everything since, makes using WP a pleasure and they've thankfully stuck to their guns and only improved in places where it has made sense.

    For example, I feared that the addition of folders on the Start Screen would be a disaster and a clear break from the Live Tile experience. Microsoft completely blew me away. The combination of folders and Live Tiles just works and is a breath of fresh air (again) against the static and rather PC-like folder implementation that Android employs. The Android UI is still trying to "add polish" as described in the video, meaning, it's been a complete mess to date and is now an afterthought.

    I'm always asking my Android friends, does your phone *really* make you smile as you use it every day? Mine does.
    Last edited by envio; 10-27-2014 at 10:12 AM.
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    10-27-2014 08:08 AM
  16. a5cent's Avatar
    Nope. It was renamed Windows Phone with 6.5.x. The whole thing was rebranding. I was making custom roms then.
    I don't think anyone is doubting that MS might have planned a rebranding, or that the leaked ROMs you acquired used the WP branding. I believe you.

    It's the above quote that people disagree with. I believe you misspoke, when you said "It was renamed Windows Phone with 6.5.x.". It wasn't. A few leaked ROMs may have suggested that was in planning, but it never actually happened. It was always Windows Mobile 6.5.x and still is today. That is what we're objecting to.
    Last edited by a5cent; 10-27-2014 at 12:32 PM. Reason: formatting
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    10-27-2014 08:44 AM
  17. iamtim's Avatar
    I don't think anyone is doubting that MS might have planned a rebranding, and that the leaked ROMs you acquired used the WP branding. I believe you.

    It's the above quote that people disagree with. I believe you misspoke, when you said "It was renamed Windows Phone with 6.5.x.". It wasn't. A few leaked ROMs may have suggested that was in planning, but it never actually happened. It was always Windows Mobile 6.5.x and still is today. That is what we're objecting to.
    Exactly, this.

    It doesn't matter what Microsoft was planning. It doesn't matter if they announced all over the world that they were going to rename Windows Mobile 6.5 to Windows Phone 6.5. It doesn't matter if you have leaked ROMs and screenshots that say "Windows Phone 6.5".

    What matters is that they didn't do it; they didn't rename Windows Mobile 6.5 to Windows Phone. What matters is that the official ROMs and screenshots (not leaks) say "Windows Mobile 6.5". Oh, yeah, and this matters: Windows Mobile 6.5
    a5cent, Laura Knotek and chezm like this.
    10-27-2014 09:12 AM
  18. portalfocus's Avatar
    Is WP way behind? No. Does Android 5.0 have customisations beyond that which WP currently has? Yes. But simply being ultra configurable does not a great phone, make. Neither does having fancy transitions on tiny UI elements turn Android into some super advanced mobile platform. IMHO, WP excels far and above Android in part because it gets out of your way to enjoy the experience. The UI is still way more fluid, more integrated, more personal and no, I don't work for Microsoft.

    I bought into the WP concept when it was officially announced way back in February 2010, having been completely disappointed with WM6.5.2. I love the Metro way of doing things. I love the deep use of beautiful typography rather than overuse of shiny bevels, gradients, textures, shadows. Android, if anything, is catching up with the modern UI language that Microsoft started way back with the Zune player. The technologies in lollipop are pretty much the same, with some incremental improvements in usability but more and more, I see the bombardment of endless settings everywhere as a hindrance, more than a help.

    Sure, there are plenty of ways that WP can improve but eye-candy isn't one of them. Microsoft got that nailed from day one and everything since, makes using WP a pleasure and they've thankfully stuck to their guns and only improved in places where it has made sense.

    For example, I feared that the addition of folders on the Start Screen would be a disaster and a clear break from the Live Tile experience. Microsoft completely blew me away. The combination of folders and Live Tiles just works and is a breath of fresh (again) against the static and rather PC-like folder implementation that Android employs. The Android UI is still trying to "add polish" as described in the video, meaning, it's been a complete mess to date and is now an afterthought.

    I'm always asking my Android friends, does your phone *really* make you smile as you use it every day? Mine does.
    This
    10-27-2014 10:01 AM
  19. chezm's Avatar
    oh the eternal stupid fan war

    i watched the main video and just i find nothing interesting, the functions shown as pin a app and the notifications are not a new or interesting or useful thing, just Android look too kiddish , is not much new that have seen than transitions and effects of fading a la IOS style, now android copied to IOS and Windows Phone. Also i had 5 phones all entry level and mid entry level on Android running 2.2-2.3 4.0-4.2.2 and all them have glitches , from System not responding to extreme slow, in Chile the smartphones are not as cheap as in the United States so most people goes by entry level or mid level phones , what try to say is that Android for get smooth need an 16 core processor and 1Tera hertz of processor for run smooth, so just i still with windows phone . just wonder why android fans comes to here to cause arguments and either how come that people like that wants to push to people to have their own tastes and preferences.
    lol, oh the irony
    10-28-2014 12:23 PM
  20. D M C's Avatar
    Do you really want me to post the video comparing the One M8 for Windows and the One M8 for Android which shows that on identical hardware Windows Phone beats down Android not only in battery life but performance as well. Guess what, that test was also done without Android Lollipop?
    Do you have some proof or just saying?
    Can you provide source?
    This is GSMArena battery test. They test battery on 50% brightness.
    WP phone is 183 nits at 50% while M8 on android is 245 nits

    gsmarena_001.jpggsmarena_002.jpg
    10-28-2014 11:36 PM
  21. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    WP phone is 183 nits at 50% while M8 on android is 245 nits
    Please stop nit picking!

    Besides, everyone knows WP nits are brighter than Android nits because WP is more hardware efficient. LoL
    10-29-2014 09:27 AM
  22. chezm's Avatar
    For example, I feared that the addition of folders on the Start Screen would be a disaster and a clear break from the Live Tile experience. Microsoft completely blew me away. The combination of folders and Live Tiles just works and is a breath of fresh air (again) against the static and rather PC-like folder implementation that Android employs. The Android UI is still trying to "add polish" as described in the video, meaning, it's been a complete mess to date and is now an afterthought..
    Seriously, if you were concerned the implementation of Folders with Live Tiles was gonna be a mess, but turned out OK and that blows you away...wow. If you're running a device with DP 8,1 for GDR1 with Live Tiles Folders, please try to have 5 on your start screen at once and check your battery life, when I had 3 folders on my L1020 my battery was only lasting 5-6 hours! As soon as i removed the live folders i went back to 20 hours. While it looks nice no doubt, kinks need to be worked out on devices its not optimized for. As for your bold statement, the UI may not be revolutionary but its definitely not a mess...the evolution of Android is making the UI much more smooth/faster than it was with KitKat, which is lighting fast and fluid already. WP could use more polish of its known, thats whats referred to as Windows 10.
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    10-29-2014 10:18 AM
  23. satrus08's Avatar
    Seriously, if you were concerned the implementation of Folders with Live Tiles was gonna be a mess, but turned out OK and that blows you away...wow. If you're running a device with DP 8,1 for GDR1 with Live Tiles Folders, please try to have 5 on your start screen at once and check your battery life, when I had 3 folders on my L1020 my battery was only lasting 5-6 hours! As soon as i removed the live folders i went back to 20 hours. While it looks nice no doubt, kinks need to be worked out on devices its not optimized for. As for your bold statement, the UI may not be revolutionary but its definitely not a mess...the evolution of Android is making the UI much more smooth/faster than it was with KitKat, which is lighting fast and fluid already. WP could use more polish of its known, thats whats referred to as Windows 10.
    That's not because of the live folders but because of the live tiles in the folders. The battery life would be almost the same if you had all the same tiles out on the start screen instead of the folder.

    But if you use medium or large sized folders, then battery life will be a bit less cause of the animation of showing the different live tiles of the tiles inside the folder.

    If you use small sized folder, and small / no live tiles in the folders battery consumption will be almost the same
    10-29-2014 10:40 AM
  24. D M C's Avatar
    Please stop nit picking!

    Besides, everyone knows WP nits are brighter than Android nits because WP is more hardware efficient. LoL
    Wrong!

    Check the link
    http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_m8_f...iew-1151p3.php

    The whole rumor that WP is more battery efficient is just lies.
    Their is no proof of it
    10-29-2014 12:17 PM
  25. a5cent's Avatar
    Wrong!

    Check the link
    HTC One (M8) for Windows review: Tinker, Tailor - page 3 - GSMArena.com

    The whole rumor that WP is more battery efficient is just lies.
    Their is no proof of it
    DMC, I think your sarcasm detector is broken... ;-)
    Jas00555 likes this.
    10-29-2014 12:31 PM
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