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  1. shreadow's Avatar
    I have to agree with u
    they just enjoy keep us waiting! they have all the money to have the best team working on software updates
    Yet
    they announce Denim and we have to wait 4-5 months if not more to get it?!
    Apple announces and update and roll it the next day!!
    i dont want the next day!
    at least the next month
    this is becoming so F... up!
    WAKE UP MICROSOFT and give a feature rich OS ALREADY! (Actionnable notifications! a microphone intergated into the keyboard just like Swift keyboard has, and give us a Flagship 5"phone that has SD slot, gd battery!)
    12-04-2014 02:17 AM
  2. PabsTheGeek's Avatar
    After using Windows Phone 8.1 for the past 6 months, coming form iOS, I am disappointed to the fact I am going to switch back to Android (used android previously too). The biggest issues are the apps and their lack of official and poor features compared to iOS/Android versions. Plus Maps is useles, I've gotten lost several occasions where I revert to using Google maps on the browser when walking about.

    I wouldn't say there was one ground breaking issue, more like many small annoyances that leave wanting a better experience elsewhere. I've not yet decided if I'll sell my Lumia 930 as I may want to check out Windows 10 in the future.
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    12-04-2014 05:47 AM
  3. Jazmac's Avatar
    I suspect that under this new leadership, MS will get it right. I also understand that the phone department must pay for its own development so expect to see a lot of handsets with almost all of what it needs to have. You won't want those phones, probably, but we need to allow that development to continue and at some point, we'll get the flagship or flagships we are waiting for. But, if you can't wait, take off. Its all about you anyway.
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    12-04-2014 08:08 AM
  4. Lundon44's Avatar
    I'm not sure how it is for you guys where you live (since this may vary by country/city) but people in general look down on WP here. I live in Toronto, CA where WP is likely less than 1% market share. When people do see my phone, there's of course initial reactions regarding its size.. but outside that most common comments are usually "Is that the new iPhone?". Or "Is that Samsung phone?". Then I typically respond "No, it's a Windows Phone". Which is almost always follow by a moment of awkward silence and puzzled look of their face. Then their response is "Oh. I didn't know Windows made phones.". I have friends of course that aren't totally oblivious to the tech world and are familiar with WP but they would never consider buying one. And they can't figure out for the life of them why I chose to. I show my 1520 off whenever I get the chance. Though it's rare to find unbiased minds when it comes to smart phones these days. Most people have the attitude of "My phone is best. There is nothing better than MY phone". We know we've all met these people. But like I said earlier, I have been able to convince my parents, and couple of my closest friends to try it. A few went back to iPhone/Android after a few months. There reasons were the usual ones.. missing apps.. missing features. Yes, many of these features like multitasking came eventually. But very late. And while many people like myself stay loyal to WP with or without these features to many people that are not die-hard fans like us will not tolerate an absent must-have feature.

    So my argument I guess is that I feel that MS needs to catch up in terms of features (hardware possibly even) with the latest and greatest flagship phones from Apple/Android. Yes everything does work as intended on WP, there's no complaints on that. I love my WP and utilize it to the max. And it does everything I demand of it 95% of the time. But I feel it's missing some of that wow factor. You can blame it on marketing (I know I do) or blame it on whatever you like. But the general consensus here is that WP is not cool. I try to show off some of the features to friends that I personally find cool. Like the social integration. The live tiles. The beautiful pictures it takes and the live picture feature. Cortana. But outside of that most people I speak to aren't really that impressed. They feel there phone does the same mine does, but better. The general reputation of the MS brand as we know is tarnished and the assumption of WP is still firstly, that it's missing a lot apps. Yes we have some great 3rd party apps but people want the exact app they are using on their iPhone or Android bottom-line. I tried to push someone to WP recently until he went through my app store to make sure all of his important apps he used most were available. Once he saw they weren't that was enough to keep him from trying something new. Silly, I agree but a reality.

    I'm a loyal user as much as anyone else here. And while it's easy to respond to my opinions with "If you're tired go buy an iPhone". But my point is I don't to buy an iPhone, Android or BB. I just want to own a phone that's just as complete and has just a much wow factor as any of these other phones. I want more reason to brag why my Windows Phone is just as good, cool or better than anyone else's iPhone or GS5. But right now, it's hard to impress or sway people to WP. I know this will change or hope it will with Windows 10. But seeing as I've invested into MS' vision since the beginning of time I'd just really like to see them finally nail it.
    Last edited by Lundon44; 12-04-2014 at 11:01 AM.
    12-04-2014 10:00 AM
  5. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    You're probably talking to the wrong crowd on here. :P

    Too many people are fed up with people having a whinge and just want WP to happen. Especially with the new super dooper W10 around the corner which has overly high expectations. Add the possible new 1030 (or whatever it may be called) and you can't really dampen most people's opinions as most don't care what the nay sayers say. As long as WP has a good camera and is a good experience in their eyes that's all that matters.

    Flagship taking forever or the ones that are out are old tech? That's ok, WP runs great on low end/old hardware, it doesn't need new flashy stuff. Just buy a low or mid range phone and wait for the flagship... well that's what I've been told a couple of times.

    Anyway, what I can tell you is this. Wait until W10 comes, see if it's what you want, if not, move to something else. I did. I'm on Android, have the same or better experience than I did on WP. I simply got tired. Like you. I'm way more happier now.

    I still own my WP as I'm curious to see what W10 brings.
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    12-04-2014 10:10 AM
  6. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    I'm a loyal user as much as anyone else here. And while it's easy to respond to my opinions with "If you're tired go buy an iPhone". But my point is I don't to buy an iPhone, Android or BB. I just want to own a phone that's just as complete and has just a much wow factor as any of these other phones. I want more reason to brag why my Windows Phone is just as good, cool or better than someone else's iPhone or GS5. But right now, as is it's hard to impress or sway people to WP. I know this will change or hope it will with Windows 10. But seeing as I've invested into MS' vision since the beginning of time I'd just really like to see them finally nail it.
    I get your disappointment, but you really aren't leaving any room for solutions here. As I read it, you don't want to change to a different phone OS but you also don't want to use WP because the world doesn't consider it cool. That reminds me of the adage "worrying is like a rocking chair--it gives you something to do but doesn't get you anywhere." I guess you are just venting, which is fine, but it doesn't allow for much conversation. As you say, hopefully this will change with Windows 10. I hope you find a solution that works for you.
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    12-04-2014 10:51 AM
  7. fatclue_98's Avatar
    To the OP, first you have to define what is "get it right". I get the feeling you're trying to justify your choice of OS to those who mock you by showing off some kind of feature nobody else has. News flash, it ain't gonna happen. I'm not one to tell you "get an Android or iPhone" since that solves nothing. I will say that WP is about as complete an OS as their is. There are some apps missing (so I'm told) but that depends on the individual user. I'm assuming nobody pays your bills so if you're ok with what WP does for you, tell the mockers to go mock themselves if you know what I mean.
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    12-04-2014 11:08 AM
  8. Lundon44's Avatar
    I guess you are just venting, which is fine, but it doesn't allow for much conversation. As you say, hopefully this will change with Windows 10. I hope you find a solution that works for you.
    I think venting is pretty much what I'm doing lol. I've done my best to show support for WP over the years but it just feels like WP users will always be the uncool underdogs and will always be playing catch up. I'd be nice to see the tables turn one day.

    I'm eager to see what phones will comes with Windows 10.. This time around I'd like to see carrier support, I'd like to see an abundance of marketing, I'd like to see smart marketing (take some examples from companies like Apple who do it well), I'd like to see flagships offered by carriers here, I'd like to see some killer features. I hate hearing about another exclusive feature or app from WP that is heading to iOS or Android. Overall, I just want to see WP succeed and become real competition and not just continue to be a niche product for a small user base.
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    12-04-2014 11:11 AM
  9. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    I think venting is pretty much what I'm doing lol. I've done my best to show support for WP over the years but it just feels like WP users will always be the uncool underdogs and will always be playing catch up. I'd be nice to see the tables turn one day.

    I'm eager to see what phones will comes with Windows 10.. This time around I'd like to see carrier support, I'd like to see an abundance of marketing, I'd like to see smart marketing (take some examples from companies like Apple who do it well), I'd like to see flagships offered by carriers here, I'd like to see some killer features. I hate hearing about another exclusive feature or app from WP that is heading to iOS or Android. Overall, I just want to see WP succeed and become real competition and not just continue to be a niche product for a small user base.
    I agree with you on the marketing, flagships and killer features. I don't mind the optimization of iOS or Android apps because I think it will just raise the level of awareness of what MS is doing and some of those people might choose to try out a Windows phone in the future. I would think any rational consumer would want WP to succeed because competition produces real benefits for the masses.

    As for experiencing a coolness factor for Windows as a phone OS, that is a tough row to hoe at this point. However, coolness is an ephemeral experience and you never know what will become popular overnight. I don't see WP becoming cool any time soon, but the roll-out of Windows 10 is the type of thing that is needed to create a buzz and subsequent coolness. I don't really mind that it's not cool. No one has given me grief over it--possibly because I don't try to sell it to anyone either. If people want to know about my phone I'm happy to let them know what my experience has been, but the ultimate choice is theirs.
    12-04-2014 11:57 AM
  10. jfdavis17's Avatar
    I felt like this also, but then when I look at Android and Apple, Microsoft looks pretty darn good.
    12-04-2014 12:07 PM
  11. BatteryLife's Avatar
    To op: I totally have the same view as you do. Come on, Microsoft is a software company. It should be the top, it should stand out in terms of features and functionality. But nope, it doesn't.

    There are features where I appreciate on WP, but that's all. One example is the clever use of proximity sensor when we get a notification, like WhatsApp messages. It won't light up the screen if it senses something blocking the sensor, and when we take it out, voila. It lights up.

    Thing is, Microsoft often put in interesting and useful features. But... They do not include common basic functionality for day to day use. The whole OS just feels... Not complete. Like there's something missing. And Microsoft doesn't seem to care.

    As I mentioned earlier. Microsoft is a software company. Can't it make software that doesn't lag even when functionality is added? That's just an excuse. It's poor coding.

    Okay, time for me to rant. I hate those people, who whine about whiners, especially when they're not, like in this op's case. You might disagree, but there's no denying that he has a point. Hello, this is a forum. A forum is a place for everyone to voice out their opinions. Nobody needs to know if you're tired of hearing these 'whines'. You don't like his opinion? Just shut up. What? You think you're all great and almighty?

    Please, don't get me started.
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    12-04-2014 12:28 PM
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    12-04-2014 12:32 PM
  13. Lundon44's Avatar
    There are features where I appreciate on WP, but that's all. One example is the clever use of proximity sensor when we get a notification, like WhatsApp messages. It won't light up the screen if it senses something blocking the sensor, and when we take it out, voila. It lights up.
    Yup. There's little things my girlfriend's GS5 does that I will admit I find interesting. I like the fact she has a notification light for one. Lights up one color for missed calls, another for missed notifications. I like that if she's missed a call as soon as you pick up the phone it vibrates to let you know you've missed something. I like the fact she can charge her phone when it's powered off. I like the charging animation it displays with it. Her phone also takes pictures more quickly than my 1520. Her camera also somehow takes less blurry pics than mine does. Not sure why but my 1520 is more prone to blurry pics with moving objects. Yes I know updates are coming to help with some of these things. But that's thing. Updates are always coming to help WP catch up. Our notification system is also lacking in comparison. Looking foward to seeing some improvements in Win10!
    12-04-2014 12:46 PM
  14. Lundon44's Avatar
    He said it better. Lol.
    12-04-2014 12:48 PM
  15. rQvsnaps's Avatar
    Did they fix video player streaming yet?
    I've been on a s4 lately (snapdragon 800 version) while my 1020 has been in for repairs 4 times.....

    Agree btw. But still miss the nokia :)
    12-04-2014 01:05 PM
  16. BatteryLife's Avatar
    Yup. There's little things my girlfriend's GS5 does that I will admit I find interesting. I like the fact she has a notification light for one. Lights up one color for missed calls, another for missed notifications. I like that if she's missed a call as soon as you pick up the phone it vibrates to let you know you've missed something. I like the fact she can charge her phone when it's powered off. I like the charging animation it displays with it. Her phone also takes pictures more quickly than my 1520. Her camera also somehow takes less blurry pics than mine does. Not sure why but my 1520 is more prone to blurry pics with moving objects. Yes I know updates are coming to help with some of these things. But that's thing. Updates are always coming to help WP catch up. Our notification system is also lacking in comparison. Looking foward to seeing some improvements in Win10!
    Blurry photos are due to shower shutter speed used on Lumias. Good for capturing landscapes or object. Horrible for moving objects. It's a matter of priority.

    Lumias prioritize more on taking pictures of objects and landscapes and it hopes for the highest possible quality(lower ISO). However,gs5 have the different approach. If in not mistaken, the slowest speed it will go is 1/17s. Not sure about the 1520, but my 520 shoots with the maximum of 1/8s
    12-04-2014 01:09 PM
  17. Giddora's Avatar
    Nah, I'm glad we're not Android. Microsoft takes the time to get it right on the first try. Android still has problems that has existed since 2009.
    12-04-2014 02:07 PM
  18. Lundon44's Avatar
    Nah, I'm glad we're not Android. Microsoft takes the time to get it right on the first try. Android still has problems that has existed since 2009.
    Perhaps, but despite this Android holds 84.4% worldwide marketshare vs Windows Phone 2.9%.

    IDC: Smartphone OS Market Share 2014, 2013, 2012, and 2011
    12-04-2014 02:18 PM
  19. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Some of us can relate to the OP and the reason why they mock windows phone is because they are either deep rooted in their fanboyism or too closed minded to try something new. Then again why would they?

    Apart from the UX there is nothing compelling for them to switch as all of Microsoft services are on other platforms, (office was a key selling point) unless you talk about the camera, sure given long enough I can convince most people to switch and I have done that :P (I guess once your a sales guy, your always a sales guy - even if a leopard changes it's spots, it's still a leopard regardless).

    Having spent years using iphones, blackberrys, android, windows mobile even symbian and I'm not switching for anything. I guess you would say I'm at that phase where flashing hundred different roms every other hour is no longer appealing. That would be somewhat correct, I realised at the end of the day a phone is a tool so if a tool no longer does what you need, you find one that does - You wouldn't try to hammer a nail in with a plastic screwdriver? (Sure you could, but that would be incredibly inefficient ). Also constantly flashing the rom is simply like change the plastic / rubber covering off every tool in your tool box over and over again - therefore pointless. Your better of learning a new language, playing a sport, organising a charity event etc.

    Windows phone has deep rooted flaws and If I was to list them all - most people will bash me for hating on windows phone lol (I have listed a few here and there). Having windows phone day-in & day-out working on the go, editing contracts, writing inspection reports, etc. It is more than capable then most realize however as most are not willing to adapt they don't understand & get frustrated, as a phone should just simply work. However by not willing to adapt they never explore the phone and see for themselves the potential of windows phone.
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    12-04-2014 04:04 PM
  20. neo158's Avatar
    No I'm not. Getting things right takes time and even though I think Microsoft's strategy of giving the competition priority over their own platform is wrong, I'm willing to wait and see seeing as we now have universal apps and, with Windows 10, a unified OS.
    12-04-2014 04:09 PM
  21. stephen_az's Avatar
    I've been a loyal WP user since my UTStarcom 6700 running Windows Mobile. I moved onto the HTC Diamond, HTC Titan 1 & 2, HTC HD7, Lumia 900, 920 and now the 1520. During these years I did for a short time own an Android device and an iPhone 4S (never a Blackberry). They just weren't for me. I've enjoyed watching the progression over the years and seeing all the strides WP has made. I've always enjoyed my experiences for the most part. I've also experienced some serious bugs in my time with WP and extremely frustrating moments too. One that sticks in my mind forever is when my HTC Titan 2 would crash once internal storage reached near its 16GB limit and would force me to hard reset. Which I ended up having to do... about 8-9 times over a 12 month period. However, for the most part I will say I've greatly enjoyed other things from integration of Xbox, PC and tablets, to the build quality of hardware from Nokia and the quality of their cameras. I love the ease and simplicity of my phone. I hated waiting years for some of the important apps and games to arrive. And I still do encounter bugs and system glitches on occasion that make me scratch my head. I get nothing is perfect but WP seems to be the furthest from perfect despite how hard it's been trying to get it right.

    And no matter what, after all ll these years a few things just haven't changed. Market Share and always being behind in features. I'm the first one to defend WP to people I know. I'm always the only one at social events with a WP. I'm the only one I've seen in my company of about 600 employees with a WP. I get mocked by friends and colleagues for having what they consider to be an "obsolete" phone. I disregard the comments and show them how great the pictures are my 1520 takes in comparison to their Androids or Blackberries. In my building I've seen maybe 2 people with WP's. And then about 30 in the wild over the years. I've gotten my mom, dad, and at least 3-4 other friends to try the move to WP. Some liked it and stuck with it, some moved on as Canadian carriers stopped distributing high end WP devices. And while for the most part I brush off the eye rolling when I take out my phablet (whether it's for the size, or the OS) but I'm now starting to really wonder.. Will MS and WP ever get it right? Hardware specs are always months behind Android (except camera specs), the OS is always catching up with crucial features other OS' have. The interface while modern is starting to feel a little bland after all these years of use. I'd love to really seeing WP catch on to the general public rather than the niche techies like myself. And while there's so many reasons we can blame MS, it's lack of marketing, or carriers I have to wonder will this EVER change?

    Every year I used to see predictions on WP marketshare taking leaps and bounds. And every year it's still the same or barely moved. I'd love to see WP really start delivering on features and hardware but I feel like I'm just convincing myself every year that it will come eventually. Or maybe I just like being the only one on the block with a phone that's not what everyone else has. I look around at my friends with their GS5's, Notes, iPhone 6's... even Blackberries. And while I prefer the modern look of WP over the sea of icons and 7 homescreens of widgets I can see so many "little" touches on these devices that make it clear to me why people love them. I've owned this 1520 for over a year now. It's actually the longest I've kept a single device in over 4 yrs without upgrading to something better. I'm very disappointed that MS hasn't released a new flagship in over 12 months. Apple and Samsung would never allow such a thing. I'm even forced to buy most of my phones unlocked and from online retailers because Canada doesn't have faith in carrying most WP devices.

    I consider from time to time what my life would be like if I did decide to give up on WP and make the change. I think I could do it but I keep saying hold on, something BIG has to be around the corner. I just feel that MS makes it really hard to be a fan when there's so much more they can offer us.
    The thing of which I am tired are the unending "I am brilliant, am Microsoft's only loyal customer, and have all of the answers so why don't they do what I want" posts. It would be nice if this site had the equivalent of Crackberry's Armchair CEO forum. Funnel all of the brilliance and whining (usually the same thing) into one location.
    12-04-2014 05:06 PM
  22. Lundon44's Avatar
    The thing of which I am tired are the unending "I am brilliant, am Microsoft's only loyal customer, and have all of the answers so why don't they do what I want" posts. It would be nice if this site had the equivalent of Crackberry's Armchair CEO forum. Funnel all of the brilliance and whining (usually the same thing) into one location.
    So whiney..
    12-04-2014 07:11 PM
  23. travis_valkyrie's Avatar
    I got tired of waiting since the beginning of the year, but I never really "switched" to another platform. Believe me I'm an early adopter too, and I've also seen the progression of the platform, even the apps and games (Carbon anyone? Xbox Live Doodle Jump? Twin Blades?). I'm betting that my situation is way worse than yours tho, considering I live in the Pacific which has limited Microsoft features support (Xbox Music Pass didn't come to NZ til late 2012, a few months after Zune was rebranded to Xbox Music).

    I know exactly how you feel, the best way to overcome this is to enjoy the phone you have right now, and do a little bit of research on other platforms too, try to experiment. Browse a little on other forums, find something to do that you enjoy and take your mind off these things. I would also advise you to limit yourself from visiting this forum (it has become a bit too whiney to be honest) and there's always gonna be that somebody ranting this platform. The real reason WP has been hard to push since 8 is that Microsoft has broken the fundamentals that made WP unique, but be reminded that the sacrifice is part of the unification of the platform that could do good (or bad) in the future. In the meantime, let's play The Evil Within.
    12-04-2014 08:05 PM
  24. Chris_Germany's Avatar
    How can write such long texts. Its a phone! Get a life!!!!

    Windows phone is quite new, so it needs some time yo develop. So keep calm. You cant expect windows phone to compete to ios and android just like that...it needs time!
    So again. Stop whining and get a life.
    Or switch to another system and come back in a while. It will be better.
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    12-04-2014 08:19 PM
  25. BatteryLife's Avatar
    How can write such long texts. Its a phone! Get a life!!!!

    Windows phone is quite new, so it needs some time yo develop. So keep calm. You cant expect windows phone to compete to ios and android just like that...it needs time!
    So again. Stop whining and get a life.
    Or switch to another system and come back in a while. It will be better.
    It's not called whining. Whining is like "windows phone sucks". When asked why? They say:"It's not cool" or "it just plain sucks". Those without a reason and spamming all over the place are whiners. One example of a whine is your post. Which you don't give any reason at all why OP's post is considered as whining.

    As a said earlier, this is a forum. It is a place for people to voice out their opinions. Don't like it? Stay away. It is quite annoying seeing people like you spamming all over the forums. Even when faced with facts, the "ultimate fanboyism" takes over and debunk our answers with absolutely no explanation or elaboration.

    It used to a pleasure replying to people in this forum. Used to be.

    "Stop whining and get a life" -Chris_Germany
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    12-04-2014 09:14 PM
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