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  1. RoboLoftie's Avatar
    WP8.1.1 doesn't include the Denim firmware updates because, well why would it. However, the Denim Update does include WP8.1.1, so if you have the Denim Update you have 8.1.1. Any firmware changes made when updating to Denim are part of the "Denim Update", along with 8.1.1, this doesn't mean that 8.1.1 is the firmware though.

    So WRT to the person asking if the 1020 with Denim can create Live Folders, it's a valid question since Denim has 8.1.1 included. Assuming the 1020 does in fact have Denim and not the bug.

    From MS:
    Forming a rich tapestry of functionality and tightly woven features, the Lumia Denim Update combines new enhancements from the latest Windows Phone 8.1 Update 1, with exclusive experiences for Lumia smartphones.

    Lets break it down, to fully explain what you can expect from the Lumia Denim Update.

    Windows Phone 8.1 Update 1

    At least that's the way I understand it, and how MS words it.
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    12-08-2014 11:23 AM
  2. msirapian's Avatar
    RoboLoftie, you have to admit that MS PR is very simplistic. For them, Denim is everything the updateS bring. Updates with an S.

    But technically, OS and FW are different, Denim is the FW for Lumias. Again, 930 users have received GDR1 (8.1.1) along with a FW update, which remained Cyan. I have received a Cyan update on my 1020 in September (and no OS update), 1 month after the 8.1/Cyan roll out.

    The Black FW brought RAW capacity to the Pureview devices, it wasn't linked to the OS.

    MS are making this complicated, when they list, in the Denim benefits, the features coming from the OS. Denim will bring features related to Bluetooth, low-level camera changes, etc. "Drivers", if you want to compare to a regular desktop PC.

    Now back to the guy asking "do you have Live Folders?". If it was Denim, one would have Live Folders. But having Live folders doesn't mean you have Denim. The question was, to my eyes, more to be sure it's Denim. But checking for live folders is not the right way to do it.

    The only way is to go into about (in settings) and read the FW version. This won't lie ^_^
    12-08-2014 11:42 AM
  3. msirapian's Avatar
    I've checked Navifirm (the Nokia servers). Cyan is 3051.50009.1424.0005 (last number may vary).

    But there's also a 3051.50009.1447.0001. The only model for that FW is: the Finnish black variant of the 1020.

    As it's 50009, I think it's still Cyan, but it might be that FW fix they talked about the 1020 and 925 a couple of days ago.
    12-08-2014 01:14 PM
  4. RoboLoftie's Avatar
    Fair point, could have had DP and Cyan displaying Denim as a bug. I assume DP doesn't show anything different on the info page other than OS version.
    12-08-2014 05:00 PM
  5. Omaga_62's Avatar
    image.jpg do you meen this?


    About: Phone 8.1 Update
    8.10.14167.221

    3051.50009.1447.0001

    So this is the bug in extras+info?
    Last edited by Omaga_62; 12-09-2014 at 03:18 AM. Reason: More info
    12-09-2014 02:44 AM
  6. wphashan's Avatar
    My wife have Lumia 1020 and just a moment ago she get the Denim update, Build nr 8.10.14167.221. Country is Finland

    Attachment 90296
    Sould be the bug in extras+info, 930 & 1520 are first in queue :D
    12-09-2014 03:11 AM
  7. msirapian's Avatar
    Omaga_62, have you installed the DP on your wife's 1020? The FW sounds as Cyan (50009)
    12-09-2014 05:30 AM
  8. Omaga_62's Avatar
    No DP, all is orginal
    12-09-2014 06:51 AM
  9. anon(9001735)'s Avatar
    Will Lumia 525 support hey cortana
    12-09-2014 07:48 AM
  10. pankaj981's Avatar
    Will Lumia 525 support hey cortana
    Nope it won't. That functionality is limited to Lumia devices with Snapdragon 8xx processors
    12-09-2014 07:59 AM
  11. anon(9001735)'s Avatar
    Nope it won't. That functionality is limited to Lumia devices with Snapdragon 8xx processors
    12-09-2014 08:12 AM
  12. anon(9001735)'s Avatar
    Lowest price for Lumia that supports hey Cortana
    Thank you😃
    12-09-2014 08:14 AM
  13. Pranshul Sood's Avatar
    Since you're Indian lowest price for a Lumia phone that supports hey Cortana will be₹37000(Lumia 930)
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    12-09-2014 08:25 AM
  14. anon(9001735)'s Avatar
    Since you're Indian lowest price for a Lumia phone that supports hey Cortana will be₹37000(Lumia 930)
    12-09-2014 08:28 AM
  15. anon(9001735)'s Avatar
    Since you're Indian lowest price for a Lumia phone that supports hey Cortana will be₹37000(Lumia 930)
    12-09-2014 08:28 AM
  16. Omaga_62's Avatar
    Wrong thread perhaps?
    12-09-2014 09:32 AM
  17. msirapian's Avatar
    No niin ^^

    Back to your wife's 1020. No DP you said, but is it a first hand 1020? I mean, if DP was installed once, a hard reset wouldn't erase it.

    If not, then it seems that 1020 has received GDR1 and a Cyan update (a bit like the 930 did, at least in France, in October or November, I don't remember).
    12-09-2014 09:37 AM
  18. Omaga_62's Avatar
    Is there any info about this "fake" Denim updates in any threads so i can read about this my self? the phone got the Cyan update when it rollout in Finland that must be months ago, and now this update? Is it suppose to be cyan update with some fix in the build? The phone feels much faster then before.
    12-09-2014 12:02 PM
  19. RumoredNow's Avatar
    12-09-2014 05:40 PM
  20. msirapian's Avatar
    About that Finnish update:

    We are trialling an update to Lumia Cyan for Lumia 925 and Lumia 1020 smartphones in Finland which provides fixes & improvements ahead of the Lumia Denim update, which will be rolling out following partner testing and approvals.
    Source: https://twitter.com/LumiaHelp/status/540551058582290433 and https://twitter.com/LumiaHelp/status/540551118950907906

    Seems to be a bridge Cyan update to prepare for Denim.
    12-11-2014 01:35 PM
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