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  1. petersun21's Avatar
    Can Nokia sell more lumia 900? What MS is doing is utter betrayal
    06-20-2012 01:48 PM
  2. Reflexx's Avatar
    I wasn't expecting any current phones to get any updates, so I'm pleasantly surprised. I think people should be happy with this. I'm willing to bet that 7.8 is more than just the new start screen. They'll probably include as many new features as they can within reason.
    It will be much more than a new start screen. People are just saying that because they're upset and choose to do the whole drama queen thing.
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    06-20-2012 01:49 PM
  3. sentimentGX4's Avatar
    I'm seriously laughing at the people in this thread complaining about this. Did you magically expect your phone to have an NFC chip and a higher resolution?
    There's no reason why old phones couldn't get the new kernel. The only reason might have been processing power limitations; but, even then, I am skeptical with regards to that for the gen 2 devices. Neither iOS nor Android requires dual core to run. If Apollo REALLY requires dual core, I can imagine it being a very bogged down and slow OS.

    No one is asking for anything unreasonable like NFC or a higher resolution. We want the new kernel, which is the most important aspect of WP8.

    You're not thinking like a developer.

    Developers will want to have the largest install base possible.
    They like easier development because it saves time and money.

    Unless they HAVE TO use native code, they won't.

    It's easier and faster to develop apps in .NET. And .NET apps will still work on WP7.8.
    This is wrong. Developers will choose to support only WP8. A lot of the apps we will be seeing that will be the focal point of WP8 will be direct Windows 8 ports.

    Windows 8 + WP8 > WP8 + WP7.8
    06-20-2012 01:50 PM
  4. Reflexx's Avatar
    Can Nokia sell more lumia 900? What MS is doing is utter betrayal
    My guess is that Windows 7.x devices will still be sold around the world even after WP8 comes out. But they will become the budget version of Windows Phone.
    06-20-2012 01:50 PM
  5. bigkevbosky's Avatar
    Can Nokia sell more lumia 900? What MS is doing is utter betrayal
    To who? Did you sign a contract with the company saying you'd be getting updates for the lifetime of the device? All updates are a courtesy to the consumer in the first place.
    06-20-2012 01:52 PM
  6. canesfan625's Avatar
    The native code hoopla is being blown out of proportion. Most of the things that use native code will just be games.
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    06-20-2012 01:54 PM
  7. Reflexx's Avatar
    There's no reason why old phones couldn't get the new kernel. The only reason might have been processing power limitations; but, even then, I am skeptical with regards to that for the gen 2 devices. Neither iOS nor Android requires dual core to run.

    No one is asking for anything unreasonable like NFC or a higher resolution. We want the new kernel, which is the most important aspect of WP8.
    No reason? The reason is because there is no way for them to do the upgrade. You'd have to wipe the device. It's like installing a new ROM. Not something that regular consumers could do even if you're holding their hands the whole way.

    I imagine we'll end up seeing in an "unofficial" ROMs by the hacking community. So I could see a future where people on the forums will be talking about their Lumia 900s with WP8 because they went over to XDA-developers.com.
    06-20-2012 01:54 PM
  8. Fiann's Avatar
    I'm seriously laughing at the people in this thread complaining about this. Did you magically expect your phone to have an NFC chip and a higher resolution?
    No, of course not. If I install Windows 8 onto my desktop I don't expect it to install a touchscreen either. The reason people are pissed is that, so far, it has only been indicated that people will get a shiny new start menu.


    You're not thinking like a developer.

    Developers will want to have the largest install base possible.
    They like easier development because it saves time and money.

    Unless they HAVE TO use native code, they won't.

    It's easier and faster to develop apps in .NET. And .NET apps will still work on WP7.8.
    Except that there a lot of spiffy new features and APIs that are part of WP8 with no indication that they will be available on WP7.8. Developers may want to reach the largest possible base but if they have to cut off the older devices to do what they want, they will.
    06-20-2012 01:55 PM
  9. petersun21's Avatar
    To who? Did you sign a contract with the company saying you'd be getting updates for the lifetime of the device? All updates are a courtesy to the consumer in the first place.
    WOW. I bought my windows phones because I do not want one or two monopoly (ies). If MS told everyone that customers are getting updates because of courtesy from MS, that would sound really good.
    06-20-2012 01:57 PM
  10. jdevenberg's Avatar
    I'm seriously laughing at the people in this thread complaining about this. Did you magically expect your phone to have an NFC chip and a higher resolution?
    No, but we didn't expect to get completely cut off from apps either. Anything that uses Native Code won't run in 7.8. Anything that is currently missing worth having is missing because it needs native code.
    06-20-2012 01:57 PM
  11. turbulent28's Avatar
    looks like we get to resize widgets. Talking now about the 7.8 update
    06-20-2012 01:58 PM
  12. invertme's Avatar
    and then dropping support.

    No they aren't. Stop making stuff up. WP7 will be supported for a long time still.
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    06-20-2012 01:58 PM
  13. sentimentGX4's Avatar
    No reason? The reason is because there is no way for them to do the upgrade. You'd have to wipe the device. It's like installing a new ROM. Not something that regular consumers could do even if you're holding their hands the whole way.
    What's wrong with wiping the device? How much effort does it honestly take for Microsoft to write an upgrade program that backups all our files on the computer before wiping? How much capacity does our phones have? 16 GB?

    Not wanting to "wipe" our devices is a nonsensical reason not to upgrade.
    06-20-2012 01:59 PM
  14. Reflexx's Avatar
    There's no reason why old phones couldn't get the new kernel. The only reason might have been processing power limitations; but, even then, I am skeptical with regards to that for the gen 2 devices. Neither iOS nor Android requires dual core to run. If Apollo REALLY requires dual core, I can imagine it being a very bogged down and slow OS.

    No one is asking for anything unreasonable like NFC or a higher resolution. We want the new kernel, which is the most important aspect of WP8.

    This is wrong. Developers will choose to support only WP8. A lot of the apps we will be seeing that will be the focal point of WP8 will be direct Windows 8 ports.

    Windows 8 + WP8 > WP8 + WP7.8
    Many, if not most, W8 apps will require very few changes to work on WP7.8. They won't be using native code. They'll be using WinRT, which is very similar to .NET.
    06-20-2012 02:00 PM
  15. turbulent28's Avatar
    nokia to release new apps.. (next week)


    Looks like throw ins to appease the Nokia users whom "they love"

    ''play to"
    "counter"
    "nokia music app"
    06-20-2012 02:00 PM
  16. canesfan625's Avatar
    What's wrong with wiping the device? How much effort does it honestly take for Microsoft to write an upgrade program that backups all our files on the computer before wiping? How much capacity does our phones have? 16 GB?

    Not wanting to "wipe" our devices is a nonsensical reason not to upgrade.
    Has nothing to do with Microsoft. Carriers said no to that. Its upgrade or nothing.
    06-20-2012 02:00 PM
  17. snowmutt's Avatar
    You just bought a phone that you're stuck with for the next two years that's getting cut off. That sucks. The iPhone 3GS is getting iOS 6, and it's three years old. Your phone is two months old if you bought a 900.

    Windows Phone 8 Looks Great, but It Screws Existing Users

    Enjoy your no new apps from here on out situation.
    The 3Gs is only getting the parts of iOS 6 it can handle, period end of story. So is the iPhone 4, and the 4S. If your phone is not Siri compatible, it won't magically become so. The RUMORED 7.8 upgrade is no different. Where 1st and 2nd Gen phones are not able to handle it, they won't get it.

    Not sure why you think Apples support is so much better when it is exactly the same thing. WP7 owners will be happy with their support, I guarantee it.
    06-20-2012 02:02 PM
  18. thed's Avatar
    What's wrong with wiping the device? How much effort does it honestly take for Microsoft to write an upgrade program that backups all our files on the computer before wiping? How much capacity does our phones have? 16 GB?

    Not wanting to "wipe" our devices is a nonsensical reason not to upgrade.
    Its more work than just that. The device manufacturers would have to completely rewrite drivers to support the new kernel.
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    06-20-2012 02:03 PM
  19. Reflexx's Avatar
    What's wrong with wiping the device? How much effort does it honestly take for Microsoft to write an upgrade program that backups all our files on the computer before wiping? How much capacity does our phones have? 16 GB?

    Not wanting to "wipe" our devices is a nonsensical reason not to upgrade.
    It's not about not "wanting" to. It's about the logistics involved.

    It's a huge undertaking just to do a regular update. And there are still a lot of problems that many users have.

    Now multiply that by... A LOT. The customer service problems would end up being a huge nightmare. The support costs would be through the roof. The unforseen challenges could be unlimited.
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    06-20-2012 02:03 PM
  20. thed's Avatar
    Anything that is currently missing worth having is missing because it needs native code.
    No, a lot of what is currently missing has to do with OS and API features. There are very few apps out there that need to use native code. MS hasn't said what features that 7.8 is or is not getting.

    I think people are blowing this out of proportion until MS actually details what 7.8 is including.
    06-20-2012 02:07 PM
  21. tenoclock's Avatar
    You're not thinking like a developer.

    Developers will want to have the largest install base possible.
    They like easier development because it saves time and money.

    Unless they HAVE TO use native code, they won't.

    It's easier and faster to develop apps in .NET. And .NET apps will still work on WP7.8.
    I agree with you ont he install base. But that concept applies to big developer more or less. I develop apps in my free time when I get off work. I got interested in WP when Nokia Lumia 900 came out. I develop 2 apps in the WP Market to test the water, and I'm working on several apps idea I have right now. I know for sure I won't have time for the old platform, and I am pretty sure all the indie and small developers would be in the same boat.
    06-20-2012 02:09 PM
  22. turbulent28's Avatar
    Sounds like its simply an ability to resize widgets for 7.8

    I came from a palm centro so im not complaining.lol
    06-20-2012 02:09 PM
  23. Fiann's Avatar
    Many, if not most, W8 apps will require very few changes to work on WP7.8. They won't be using native code. They'll be using WinRT, which is very similar to .NET.
    But doesn't appear to be supported on WP 7.8. So apps written using RT are a no go.

    No, a lot of what is currently missing has to do with OS and API features. There are very few apps out there that need to use native code. MS hasn't said what features that 7.8 is or is not getting.

    I think people are blowing this out of proportion until MS actually details what 7.8 is including.
    I think if WP8 apps would run on 7.8 they would have mentioned it. Instead they kept going on and on about WP7 apps running on WP8. They basically said "we're giving you a new start screen and live tiles so you won't feel like you just completely took it up the rear end."
    06-20-2012 02:11 PM
  24. alpinestars1z's Avatar
    The 3Gs is only getting the parts of iOS 6 it can handle, period end of story. So is the iPhone 4, and the 4S. If your phone is not Siri compatible, it won't magically become so. The RUMORED 7.8 upgrade is no different. Where 1st and 2nd Gen phones are not able to handle it, they won't get it.

    Not sure why you think Apples support is so much better when it is exactly the same thing. WP7 owners will be happy with their support, I guarantee it.
    The 3GS can't even handle iOS 5. I mean, it works, but it feels sluggish.
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    06-20-2012 02:11 PM
  25. turbulent28's Avatar
    No, a lot of what is currently missing has to do with OS and API features. There are very few apps out there that need to use native code. MS hasn't said what features that 7.8 is or is not getting.

    I think people are blowing this out of proportion until MS actually details what 7.8 is including.

    add the resize tiles
    ability to delete more than one pic on albums



    And im happy
    06-20-2012 02:11 PM
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