07-29-2012 11:32 AM
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  1. ejb222's Avatar
    Explain to me how the new start screen achieves the visual balance of the old one, without the gutter. Explain to me why I'm going to be downgraded from eight visible medium tiles to six without an option to switch back...
    Are you serious...it's a phone! You don't even have the new start screen and y'all are complaining like they murdered your children! MS gave you MORE options! It's not a downgrade! You have NO option presently to change anything but how many tiles and the color. Soon you will have 3 different size as well. And somehow thats a downgrade?

    Look man, your attitude speaks for itself. I don't really need to argue with you. Some of your arguements are valid. But your attitude reeks of whiny child. Since you've claimed to know a thing or two about Metro design and design in general, I assume you would have the aptitude to design your own new Start screen in a way that suits what ever need you have. If you can't, maybe you really don't know anything about design. And until you have the new start screen and mess around with it a bit and actually try to get what you're looking for, please stop the whining...it's a stupid phone! It's a start screen on a phone! No one keyed your car. No one eveicted you from your house. You didn't get demoted(downgraded) at work. Take it Easy Killer!
    06-26-2012 07:49 AM
  2. twint7787's Avatar
    I have to ask a question about the new start screen. I believe I read that you will only be able to have 3 rows visible at any given time, is this true? I mean three rows of live tiles, or tiles that can show information. I know you are now allowed to have more tiles in theory because of the small tiles, but what's the point? Why take out a row it doesn't make sense. While I'm typing this I might as well ask if anyone thinks/was expecting MS to implement horizontal scrolling in WP8. I know vertical scrolling is what makes WP a WP, but I can't help but feel it would have been faster and more efficient to scroll horizontal. Its in line with the panorama scrolling we already have. Idk what do you guys think?
    Last edited by twint7787; 06-26-2012 at 11:41 AM.
    06-26-2012 11:29 AM
  3. jfa1's Avatar
    Hey! Look at the examples of the new live screen! Do they have more than three rows visible at one time? YES!
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    06-26-2012 12:30 PM
  4. bigkevbosky's Avatar
    Explain to me how the new start screen achieves the visual balance of the old one, without the gutter. Explain to me why I'm going to be downgraded from eight visible medium tiles to six without an option to switch back.
    When your phone prompts you to upgrade to 7.8, just hit the "decline" button if you hate the new look so much. Nobody is forcing you to upgrade. Just like nobody is forcing you to use any specific size tile.

    And we'd love to explain it to you, but none of us are Joe Belfiore. Complaining on this forum is getting you nowhere but into arguments with other forum members. Its not doing anything to help your cause.
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    06-26-2012 01:47 PM
  5. CJ Thunder's Avatar
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    I this one very much but I have a big screened device, what about...Focus Flash sized devices?

    In the end:
    who does this belong to MS or the Users?
    What will sell more?

    Options are never bad, I hope they give us the option...and if the do will that option be on 7.8 and 8.0...oh brother! maybe that option is only on 7.8...hmmmm....
    06-26-2012 03:03 PM
  6. twint7787's Avatar
    Hey! Look at the examples of the new live screen! Do they have more than three rows visible at one time? YES!
    No they don't...Not three regular sized live tiles. The little tiles won't do s*** for you so IDC about them.
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    06-26-2012 03:48 PM
  7. AngryNil's Avatar
    Look man, your attitude speaks for itself. I don't really need to argue with you. Some of your arguements are valid. But your attitude reeks of whiny child.
    So, you resort to ad-hominems. Pot calling the kettle black.

    Microsoft is a company that, like any other company, aims to make money. Why do you feel the need to try and shut up any opposition when you clearly like something and other people don't? Wake up, in the real world you don't need to have a solution in order to critique.

    That said, I have a solution: the gutter. Anyone who complains about that "wasted space" should also be annoyed at the whole implementation of Metro on Windows Phone. The panorama layout is a complete waste of screen real estate, and the pivot layout is inefficient for navigating through a number of screens.

    This is an enthusiast site. You're telling me to essentially **** off because I'm annoyed that the design of the home screen is changed? This is beyond belief. Yes, I just lost two medium-sized tiles fitting on my screen and there's no guarantee that my current apps will be updated to take advantage of the extra vertical space. I think it looks too visually heavy, but my opinion is wrong, isn't it? Because the likes of you haven't been able to rebut, just turn to insults and straw man arguments.

    Might as well change the site to WPFanboys, because anyone who disagrees with a move by Microsoft is labelled as an irrational, self-centred, overreacting, whiny child.

    I assume you would have the aptitude to design your own new Start screen in a way that suits what ever need you have. If you can't, maybe you really don't know anything about design.
    You're out of your league here. You seriously think that a user magically "design" the start screen into showing two medium tiles with a gutter next to it? The layout options are far too limited to reach a reasonable compromise. Creating horizontal white space will further impede the number of tiles visible, and upset the vertical-horizontal balance even further. Vertical white space requires the compromise of one medium - one small tile, which is far less useful and may I say, ugly. This is plain ridiculous, are you reading what you're writing?

    When your phone prompts you to upgrade to 7.8, just hit the "decline" button if you hate the new look so much. Nobody is forcing you to upgrade. Just like nobody is forcing you to use any specific size tile.
    Has it occurred to you that I might want to stay up to date and 7.8 is not going to cut it? My Omnia 7 contract ends in August. I guess all of you are telling me to leave for Android, despite the fact that I've been an extremely vocal Windows Phone fan since Backstage in February 2010.

    As for arguing here? I'm on an enthusiast site expressing my opinions. My deepest apologies for disagreeing with you, I'll just go and create a "you should all be so thankful you get an update" thread and get back to circlejerking with fanboys.

    And, last point. Look at the original comment I replied to and the pull-quote you're addressing from me. If you have a problem dealing with what I'm saying, ignore me. Don't tell me that my arguments are invalid or irrelevant because you can't reasonably counter them.
    Last edited by AngryNil; 06-27-2012 at 01:28 AM.
    06-27-2012 12:12 AM
  8. KingCrimson's Avatar
    The screen only becomes as cluttered as you want it to be. Remember you can leave gaps, you don't have to fill every square inch of it.
    06-27-2012 12:19 AM
  9. AngryNil's Avatar
    The screen only becomes as cluttered as you want it to be. Remember you can leave gaps, you don't have to fill every square inch of it.
    So, I've explained that I think presenting the white space vertically is a better idea for the home screen. The problem is that with the fixed three tile sizes, you can only add this space uniformly by restricting the tiles to:

    25% (one small)
    50% (two small / one medium)
    75% (three small / one medium, one small)

    75% is the best bet, as the other two are overdoing it. However, with this layout it is kind of limiting to only have zero to three medium tiles visible - I have eight right now. It's also not as simple to remember and get, as the old layout was medium-tile based and I think I will likely keep a similar layout (ie, I'd ideally want to put small tiles in a 2x2 arrangement in place of a medium tile). I also think 75% leads to a bit too much white space, to the point where it looks wasted.
    06-27-2012 12:39 AM
  10. DontHate707's Avatar
    i like that fact that screen will look even more alive and i think ppl will actually notice now!
    06-27-2012 03:45 AM
  11. dannejanne's Avatar
    i like that fact that screen will look even more alive and i think ppl will actually notice now!
    Yeah I love the new screen and want it NOW! Gonna be so much fun fiddling with it. I've always wanted different tile sizes ever since i bought my WP phone.
    06-27-2012 04:47 AM
  12. bigkevbosky's Avatar
    Has it occurred to you that I might want to stay up to date and 7.8 is not going to cut it? My Omnia 7 contract ends in August. I guess all of you are telling me to leave for Android, despite the fact that I've been an extremely vocal Windows Phone fan since Backstage in February 2010.
    Wait...wait....your contract ends in August? So you can upgrade after August for a subsidized price? So what are you b*tching about? You can upgrade when WP8 comes out. What's the problem? You have an Omnia 7 apparently, which was released in 2010. So you're pissed at Microsoft changing the look of the start screen TWO YEARS later? Apparently TWO major updates for your phone aren't enough (7.5 and 7.8).

    As for arguing here? I'm on an enthusiast site expressing my opinions. My deepest apologies for disagreeing with you, I'll just go and create a "you should all be so thankful you get an update" thread and get back to circlejerking with fanboys.

    And, last point. Look at the original comment I replied to and the pull-quote you're addressing from me. If you have a problem dealing with what I'm saying, ignore me. Don't tell me that my arguments are invalid or irrelevant because you can't reasonably counter them.
    My point isn't you expressing your opinion, its the manner in which you're doing it. You can make your points, but when you seem like you're crying and whining it changes the responses you're going to get.

    You have three options currently :

    1) Get a new phone when WP8 hits.
    2) Upgrade your Omnia 7 to WP 7.8 and deal with it.
    3) Leave your Omnia 7 on WP 7.5 and it will continue to work.

    You arguing with me might make you FEEL better, but it doesn't change your three options. So pick one of the three and deal with it.
    Last edited by bigkevbosky; 06-27-2012 at 09:04 AM.
    06-27-2012 08:54 AM
  13. Markyyy's Avatar
    I'd like to be able to personalise the colours of the tiles individually, not just choose one accent colour that colours everything the same colour. I have an iPad, so I'm used to certain apps having certain colours for their icons. On my iPad, the music app icon is orange, and it'd be great to have my music app on my windows phone orange also, so there'd less confusion and more intuition. That's just one example, but you could customise the colours of each app to suit the colour you naturally identify that type of app as.

    To those of you saying the sample images of the W8 startscreen looks cluttered and confusing: That's how one person would customise their start screen. To that person it probably looks all organised and clean and very very useful at the same time! You'll be able to put your own start screen in your on preferred order, and trust me, you will like your own result very much :)
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    06-27-2012 09:52 AM
  14. bigkevbosky's Avatar
    I'd like to be able to personalise the colours of the tiles individually, not just choose one accent colour that colours everything the same colour. I have an iPad, so I'm used to certain apps having certain colours for their icons. On my iPad, the music app icon is orange, and it'd be great to have my music app on my windows phone orange also, so there'd less confusion and more intuition.
    Thank you - I agree with you and want to point out to irlju - this is how you make a post people will read and actually respond to the point you're making.

    I do think personalizing colors might make it seem cluttered, but I hope MS eventually caves in and allows the customization option. Again, more options are not a bad thing.
    06-27-2012 09:58 AM
  15. thed's Avatar
    For anyone interested, I made a full size mockup of the new screen with the current gutter's size added so you can test it on your phone and see how it looks. Personally, I think everything looks a bit too small on the gutter version, especially the small tiles. But I'm looking at it on a 3.8" screen.
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    06-27-2012 11:37 AM
  16. selfcreation's Avatar
    I still dont get why people are arguing about this.....

    the funny part is that Most people complaining about the new UI are ALSO claiming that WP7.8 wont get new features aside from the new UI...

    so my question to you is ... why upgrade to 7.8?

    if all your getting is a UI you hate... *decline upgrade* :dry

    and obviously if you hate it, you wont buy a WP8..... soooo why are yous still here? ( generalized)
    06-27-2012 03:19 PM
  17. blehblehbleh's Avatar
    For anyone interested, I made a full size mockup of the new screen with the current gutter's size added so you can test it on your phone and see how it looks. Personally, I think everything looks a bit too small on the gutter version, especially the small tiles. But I'm looking at it on a 3.8" screen.
    Yeah I agree with you. I find it a bit small too. Comparing the other "mockups" that have the WP8 Start screen things feel like they have more room to breath and really the black borders of the LCD sort of act as whitespace as well. I suppose things are different if you're using the light theme though.
    06-27-2012 06:36 PM
  18. KeegdnaB42's Avatar
    I like the aesthetic of having the gutter but also understand the desire to not waste screen space. What if they just moved the tiles on the new start screen a little bit to the left so that the gap from the left edge was the same distance as the tiles are from each other. Then on the right you still have the gutter and it's enough to maintain the visual effect but isn't so much as it feels like wasted space.
    (don't mind the quality of the pic, I just slid it over and then screencapped to see how it would look)
    06-27-2012 07:07 PM
  19. Budule's Avatar
    so, if you do the 7.8 update and for whatever reason dont like it, can you do a "factory reset" on the phone and go back to your old start screen?
    06-27-2012 07:50 PM
  20. jimski's Avatar
    so, if you do the 7.8 update and for whatever reason dont like it, can you do a "factory reset" on the phone and go back to your old start screen?
    No. OS updates reflash your ROM. If the update process created a backup, you could restore from there. But there a limitations.

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    06-27-2012 08:14 PM
  21. jimski's Avatar
    For anyone interested, I made a full size mockup of the new screen with the current gutter's size added so you can test it on your phone and see how it looks. Personally, I think everything looks a bit too small on the gutter version, especially the small tiles. But I'm looking at it on a 3.8" screen.
    Exactly. And you can expect some lower end phones to have 3.8" (or smaller) screens. So like it or not, the gutter has to go. I will miss it at first but understand the "why", and that's good enough for me.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express Pro
    06-27-2012 08:17 PM
  22. Budule's Avatar
    The only advantage i see to the "gutter" is the little arrow for the app list.....which i assume you can replace with an app tile.......
    06-27-2012 09:18 PM
  23. yeeshy's Avatar
    I think this new start screen will be an improvement.
    06-27-2012 10:33 PM
  24. vp710's Avatar
    For anyone interested, I made a full size mockup of the new screen with the current gutter's size added so you can test it on your phone and see how it looks. Personally, I think everything looks a bit too small on the gutter version, especially the small tiles. But I'm looking at it on a 3.8" screen.
    It does look small on my 710. However the full WP8 start screen looks gorgeous.
    06-27-2012 10:37 PM
  25. jimski's Avatar
    The only advantage i see to the "gutter" is the little arrow for the app list.....which i assume you can replace with an app tile.......
    Honestly, in 19 months I have never used the little arrow on my Surround or L900. Well ok, I did tap it once just to see what would happen. Swiping is easier and more intuitive. I can't reach that button with my left thumb, so it becomes a two handed operation. I can swipe from anywhere.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express Pro
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    06-27-2012 11:24 PM
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