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  1. blehblehbleh's Avatar
    My Galaxy S3 is 100% stable. I've never seen a force close, reboot or dropped data connection, ever. And stock JB is pretty damn easy to install. Takes 5 minutes.
    I don't understand the point you're trying to make with respect to the relevant topic/discussion that occurred before you chimed in. Please explain.
    08-08-2012 05:07 PM
  2. tekhna's Avatar
    I don't understand the point you're trying to make with respect to the relevant topic/discussion that occurred before you chimed in. Please explain.
    If you bothered to read the thread, the Galaxy S3 came up in the first sentence of the original post. And much of the discussion was about the desirability of the GS3 and the foibles of Android.
    08-08-2012 05:18 PM
  3. eric12341's Avatar
    Oh great look who's back.
    08-08-2012 05:31 PM
  4. blehblehbleh's Avatar
    If you bothered to read the thread, the Galaxy S3 came up in the first sentence of the original post. And much of the discussion was about the desirability of the GS3 and the foibles of Android.
    Really? Because looking at the title of the thread and the original post in its entirety it sounds the discussion is about how Windows Phone needs to haul *** in being on par or having some crazy functionality as the video linked to.

    Looking at the rest of the thread, prior to your initial interjection, it still looked like the bulk of the discussion save for a few posts were about the merits of Windows Phone needing to improve.

    But I suppose we're just reading different threads.
    08-08-2012 09:11 PM
  5. cp2_4eva's Avatar
    Tekhna had some points he addressed towards my comment about the S3. My comments about the S3 weren't the main points of the original post, but they still were there so his response wasn't totally irrelevant.

    I'm still wanting to know what he finds wrong with Apollo. WP7 is nice, but it isn't complete. Apollo is said to fill in the gaps plus give us some extra umph. I'm pretty sure there are some things that they haven't mentioned that will make Android users say hmmmm. This is speculation right now. I'm sure Microsoft didn't mention it because android devs a d rom devs will jump on the idea and incorporate it quick as a possible.

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    08-08-2012 10:49 PM
  6. CommonBlob's Avatar
    I'm not disagreeing with you, but what makes the UI junk? I played with the S3 at the store the other day and I thought it was actually pretty good BUT:

    - I'm tired of icons, I'm in love with tiles
    - android in my experience aren't as reliable as iphones or WP devices. 5 different android devices and they all rebooted on me more often than they should
    - I like WP social integration

    I'm not going to call the UI junk, but I don't think it's as good as WP. If the android device can stay powered on then it gets the job done. Maybe not as fluid and seamless as WP, but it gets the job done.

    Also, I DID NOT like the build of the S3. I like more substantial feeling phones. That phone was so light it felt like a fisher price phone. That's a selling point for some people I guess. Like you really need to go to a gym to hold up any phone these days lol.
    Maybe im coming on too strong with "Junk", but it annoys me that OEMs on android feel the need to differentiate their device by changing stuff that is already pretty and works well. However, the icons that you mention is the main dislike. If I wanted a sea of icons that look like an iPhone, id buy an iPhone.

    But again, device quality (not look per-se, I don't think its an attractive device really) and the camera are impressive.
    08-09-2012 07:04 AM
  7. cp2_4eva's Avatar
    Maybe im coming on too strong with "Junk", but it annoys me that OEMs on android feel the need to differentiate their device by changing stuff that is already pretty and works well. However, the icons that you mention is the main dislike. If I wanted a sea of icons that look like an iPhone, id buy an iPhone.

    But again, device quality (not look per-se, I don't think its an attractive device really) and the camera are impressive.
    I'm not sure what goes on behind the inter-workings of their UI, but it's probably faulty at the core (kernel) and has been for a while. I feel they would need to rewrite the code fresh and then maybe they have something more stable. Still, like you, I don't care for icons anymore. I like the functionality that tiles gives us. Now if only MS would incorporate a Tile-Folder structure.
    08-09-2012 07:29 AM
  8. smoledman's Avatar
    How about a system dictionary for both Windows 8 and WP8?
    08-09-2012 11:37 AM
  9. cp2_4eva's Avatar
    How about a system dictionary for both Windows 8 and WP8?
    Like a regular dictionary that is native to the system or a dictionary for system feature, components, etc.?
    08-09-2012 11:45 AM
  10. tekhna's Avatar
    Tekhna had some points he addressed towards my comment about the S3. My comments about the S3 weren't the main points of the original post, but they still were there so his response wasn't totally irrelevant.

    I'm still wanting to know what he finds wrong with Apollo. WP7 is nice, but it isn't complete. Apollo is said to fill in the gaps plus give us some extra umph. I'm pretty sure there are some things that they haven't mentioned that will make Android users say hmmmm. This is speculation right now. I'm sure Microsoft didn't mention it because android devs a d rom devs will jump on the idea and incorporate it quick as a possible.

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    It's not about Apollo, it's the simple fact that WP on Verizon is a non-starter and I'm not leaving Verizon. And truthfully the only reason I have for switching to WP is cosmetic. I think Metro is gorgeous, but other than that, there's no reason to use WP over Android.
    08-09-2012 01:02 PM
  11. cp2_4eva's Avatar
    It's not about Apollo, it's the simple fact that WP on Verizon is a non-starter and I'm not leaving Verizon. And truthfully the only reason I have for switching to WP is cosmetic. I think Metro is gorgeous, but other than that, there's no reason to use WP over Android.
    For some there is no reason to switch over YET. Super users and wannabe geeks tend to like Android because they can make it a system of their own with the help of a few youtube videos. The same people could barely fix a home computer. And I'm not talking about ALL android people, just some. There isn't MUCH that WP7 can't do that Android does. Of course there are a few things, but most of those things are mainly for those Android users that like to go above and beyond. For the average Joe, WP7 gets most of the job done. I would like to see WP go to a system where I can open it up to simply dragging and dropping music to a music folder rather than the dumb syncing in Zune. The on the go playlist thing sucks too with WP. And a few other minor things. But when WP8 gets most things straightened out, we'll see you back here again my friend. ;) You are still here, so you are curious. I haven't popped back in the droid forums in a while to talk about their phones or OS because it doesn't tug at my curiosity much.

    That smoked by a windows phone thing is an ok idea, but in general there needs to be a list of things that Android does that WP can do as well, but differently. People see a different ecosystem as a bad or not as efficient one. Not true. The verge gives WP bad ecosystem ratings which is bogus. But like I was saying before, switching to WP from Android doesn't make me miss much. Maybe a few cool features, but not much.
    08-09-2012 01:15 PM
  12. trivor's Avatar
    Windows Phone 8 major problem is that the mobile phone landscape has changed since Windows Mobile was axed. iOS and Android are very established OSes and while WP8 is different and does the basics well people need COMPELLING REASONS to switch - not the fuzzy the OS is better. WP8 fans tend to overstate the problems with Android (I have had my GS3 for 6 weeks, works great, the upgrade from a previous Android phone was painless and right now it would be very difficult for me to switch - in addition to the fact that I expect to keep my high end, expensive GS3 for at least 2 years). As for why I hang out (some people would say troll) on the WPCentral is I am a tech enthusiast (I also check out iMore) and just love to see what's going in the tech world. I am also on Verizon for many reasons and unless they get a BIG push on Verizon (and Sprint's already made their commitment to the iPhone) it's hard to see how they make much of a market share push in the US (and their delay until November has put a lot of people in the GS3 camp in the US and worldwide). I really believe Ice Cream Sandwich on Android is a lot like Win95 vs. iOS in that it is a huge step forward in usability and stability (Mathias Duarte - the father of design for WebOS) for Android and going to make it very hard for WP8 to gain user share. I know most people on here LOVE WP7 but it is not just a case of sticking it out like XBox until MS eventually gains enough market share - there is not necessarily a market need for 3 OSes.
    08-09-2012 08:58 PM
  13. pjs37's Avatar
    I guess the key would be show how the apps people use already on their existing smartphones are better on a Windows Phone vs an iPhone or Android device. If they did that people may feel compelled to switch if they are going to get a better experience in the apps they already use.

    At the end of the day that is what the end user cares about: Apps.
    08-09-2012 09:14 PM
  14. cp2_4eva's Avatar
    I don't know where you are getting your logic from but it's proven that WP devices are getting some ok market share increases. Of course it's not as huge as android, but people are switching from Android more and more. The android system has great features, but it's flawed from the core. I mean, WP has more fluidity and we are only working with one core. imagine the work WP8 can do with 2 or 4 cores. Even on 4 cores, android still manage to get some lag. And I don't know if your argument is that Android is better or that it's been there long enough that it's too late for WP to gain a decent amount of the share.

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    Last edited by cp2_4eva; 08-09-2012 at 10:23 PM.
    08-09-2012 09:16 PM
  15. AngryNil's Avatar
    Let us have true third party browsers not based on IE. Make Bing suck less. Make TellMe work for emails and system wide. Focus on getting those core features the other OS's have down done right before you add any crazy stuff.
    Preach it.

    Microsoft, those of us who want to switch to another browser, or search engine? You're doing yourself no favours by locking us in to an experience we don't want. If I want to switch, I'm not interested in your offering to begin with. Allow users to change defaults, and heck, if you want, reset the browser & search defaults after every OS update. Just let me choose Google, let developers create real alternative browsers since you're incredibly restrictive over the layout and feature-set of IE.

    I sure hope the new tab page isn't blank in WP8, because it's the most ridiculous waste of space. Don't see why everyone complained about the gutter, when IE wastes the whole screen on launch.
    Last edited by AngryNil; 08-10-2012 at 06:38 AM.
    08-10-2012 06:25 AM
  16. jimski's Avatar
    Note from Microsoft: if you don't like it, get another phone. The governments of the world may force the Google search bar onto my new Microsoft powered PC (which is the first thing I delete) but no such rules apply in the mobile world, which is filled with monopolies and locked in features and services.

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    08-10-2012 09:20 AM
  17. tekhna's Avatar
    I guess the key would be show how the apps people use already on their existing smartphones are better on a Windows Phone vs an iPhone or Android device. If they did that people may feel compelled to switch if they are going to get a better experience in the apps they already use.

    At the end of the day that is what the end user cares about: Apps.
    I'm not sure it is about apps. I mean, it is to some extent, but I think it'll matter to people who already have smartphones. And truthfully the ones that I truly rely on are Android-specific and will likely never be ported to WP because of how locked down the OS is. SwiftKey, native Dropbox, Tasker, Chrome (although it is on iOS too--the ability to have your home Chrome and home Chrome synced is outstanding), Wireless Tether (I'm not paying 100 bucks a year to unlock my phone, that's absurd). But for new users, apps won't matter much unless they find out there's no Words with Friends or something.

    Android matters to me not because it's "better" whatever that means, but because it's open and flexible. Even iOS is more open than WP once you jailbreak and install Cydia/homebrew. So you're going to have a hard time attracting serious users, which is probably fine, but then you need to give consumers a reason to not buy iOS or Android. What's that reason?
    08-10-2012 09:29 AM
  18. cp2_4eva's Avatar
    I was once an Android user. while the customization was fun, I found myself always needing to fix something because I got reboot issues on various droid phones. The custom ROMs helped, but didn't solve the problem. Then it ate my batteries alive as well. My reason for coming over was need something more stable and a fresh new look. Stability was key for me and WP is just stable in my time of use. Battery life was way better than anything I had on Android stock batteries at that time (that time being Galaxy Nexus/Razr/Rezound timeframe)

    There is still a huge number of people who currently don't own a smartphone and MS can easily grab those. And there is also this assumption that all Android users are perfectly happy with their phones which is not the case. So if they aren't happy with Android, we'd be quick to assume that they'll go iphone. But there is still that chance to grab some of those folks as well. WP phones wont ever come in 2nd anytime soon, but I do believe that they could reach at least 10 percent market share in a few years. The word will get around, the system will become more robust, and the people will be more open to using a WP phone.

    Also, not all Android users use custom ROMS and are into all of that stuff. I had a neighbor who has used android for a few years because thats basically all they knew. I convinced them to get a Galaxy S2 since they were on T-mo. Keep in mind I had only used an Android for a year. Before that I used iphones for like 3 years. I showed her how much she could customize her phone and a ton of other features. She's happy with it now, but hates the rebooting it does occasionally. Can you imagine how many more older or younger people are in the same non-knowing boat as my friends? Yes, I think MS can grab a few more and start to turn the tides. Not dominating the market, but at least becoming a STRONG 3rd and not a weak 3rd in the rankings.
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    08-10-2012 10:56 AM
  19. pjs37's Avatar
    I'm not sure it is about apps. I mean, it is to some extent, but I think it'll matter to people who already have smartphones. And truthfully the ones that I truly rely on are Android-specific and will likely never be ported to WP because of how locked down the OS is. SwiftKey, native Dropbox, Tasker, Chrome (although it is on iOS too--the ability to have your home Chrome and home Chrome synced is outstanding), Wireless Tether (I'm not paying 100 bucks a year to unlock my phone, that's absurd). But for new users, apps won't matter much unless they find out there's no Words with Friends or something.

    Android matters to me not because it's "better" whatever that means, but because it's open and flexible. Even iOS is more open than WP once you jailbreak and install Cydia/homebrew. So you're going to have a hard time attracting serious users, which is probably fine, but then you need to give consumers a reason to not buy iOS or Android. What's that reason?
    That would probably still be apps. People know all about apps now. The size of the app market is like how megapixels are for cameras. it doesn't matter how good your pictures are if you are the average consumer you think more = better. You have to show the average consumer that a) Your platform has a lot of apps and b) Those apps are a lot better on your platform than on the competitors.

    All smart phones can check email, do calendar appointments and text message and what not. You want people to flock to WP then show them how Words with Friends is a better experience than on the iPhone. Invest money and time into showing developers how to take advantage of the platform to make their apps more appealing and through that they will gain more users and more users will = more revenue.
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    08-10-2012 01:35 PM
  20. Cyruss1989's Avatar
    The problem is many apps suck on WP7 compared to iOS or Android... The only apps I really like on WP7 are the WPcentral app and Weather/Cocktailflow.

    I can't even read magazines on the goddamn Kindle app :(

    Dropbox was also mentioned, on iOS and Android I can automatically back my pictures and videos up (full resolution unlike SkyDrive), WP7 only has bad third party apps.

    I could continue the list, but I am tired.

    The stability argument is also not valid in my eyes. In fact apps crash more often on my Lumia than on my One X. And Android offers a backup for Android, Microsoft has nothing usable.
    08-10-2012 04:32 PM
  21. crystal_planet's Avatar
    They better be, fans and the tech world is far too soft on Windows Phone because they have faith in what it can become but if fails. Then prepare to see an amount of hate bigger than the ones people have against Blackberry.

    I'm hopeful WP8 is going to be great however.
    Are you kidding me? No one knows Windows Phone even exists. If it fails, it will be a mere blip on the smartphone radar.
    08-10-2012 06:14 PM
  22. cp2_4eva's Avatar
    People know it exists. They just don't care for it or care to look into it. They are content with what they have. The commercials leave too much to wonder about. With the right ads they could get people looking in their direction. Beta test commercials aren't the key.

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    08-10-2012 06:45 PM
  23. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    People know it exists. They just don't care for it or care to look into it. They are content with what they have. The commercials leave too much to wonder about. With the right ads they could get people looking in their direction. Beta test commercials aren't the key.

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    Think Nokia is giving a good direction by such adverts.
    08-10-2012 06:49 PM
  24. jimski's Avatar
    The problem is many apps suck on WP7 compared to iOS or Android :(

    Dropbox was also mentioned, on iOS and Android I can automatically back my pictures and videos up (full resolution unlike SkyDrive), WP7 only has bad third party apps.

    I could continue the list, but I am tired.

    The stability argument is also not valid in my eyes. In fact apps crash more often on my Lumia than on my One X. And Android offers a backup for Android, Microsoft has nothing usable.
    Wow.! Thanks for letting me know I have 243 sucky apps and games on both my Surround and L900. And you must be a really lucky guy, cause in nearly two years, and more than 500 app downloads, I can count all the apps that crashed on one hand. And of those, except for one, the developers were quite responsive and thanked me for pointing out the issue which was quickly corrected.

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    08-10-2012 08:11 PM
  25. cckgz4's Avatar
    Nah man, WP fanboys have a version of WebOS syndrome--a bizarre admixture minor-OS martyrdom and the utter conviction that their OS is the best and everyone else is sheeple.
    iOS and Android fanboys are annoying in their own right, but that martyr complex is awful. WebOS fanboys were unbearable.

    Yeah, I hope MS knows what it's doing. It's forcing the Metro interface on W8, and that could end up being a colossal disaster, especially given how good Windows 7 is. My dad, for example, has already made it totally clear he's not buying W8.
    Oh please.


    And if its that bad, then by all means continue to not post. But it's just as insulting to lump everyone into this small minded opinion of yours
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    08-11-2012 03:43 AM
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