Will people say "LOL" at the iPhone 5 and "WHOA" at the Lumia920?

[1jaxstate1]

How soon do you see that happening? I think that knocks home Phil's point. Yeah it would be cool, but where are the use for these things currently.

I've been to casino's in Vegas and I've yet to even see a MS Surface table. A Windows phone with NFC place on a MS table that shows emails, tweets, updates [if you want it to] would be awesome. But so would a teleporter.

 

[crystal_planet]

I agree with both crystal_planet and cckgz4 in that Apple is due this harsh reality, but it's also not cool to sit and gloat at their failures. You would expect that from Apple and their fanboys.

That's just it - the iPhone 5 is not a failure in the strictest sense of the word. It's just that we hear how Apple is so innovative, so forward thinking, so fresh that the lack of innovation with the 5 knocks them down a peg or two.

I think a little gloating is order here. But just a little.

 

[Big Supes]

That's just it - the iPhone 5 is not a failure in the strictest sense of the word. It's just that we hear how Apple is so innovative, so forward thinking, so fresh that the lack of innovation with the 5 knocks them down a peg or two.

"Failures" was more generally speaking. The only thing the iPhone 5 has failed to do, at this stage, is take the next step.

I think a little gloating is order here. But just a little.

It depends. In the strictest sense of the word - no.

 

[Big Supes]

You can guarantee the Xbox 720 will work with NFC.

 

[squire777]

I'll admit I'm no fan of Apple and probably never will be so I won't sugarcoat it - I'd love to see them fall flat on their face. Hopefully this is their first stumble.

 

[Big Supes]

The more I think about the lack of NFC just makes me realise this is very typical of Apple. They don't want a 'universal solution' (choice) so they've hedged their bets that Passbook will prevail.

I. Can't. Stand. Apple.

 

[Big Supes]

I think this article meets the title of this thread...

Apple iPhone 5? Why the Nokia Lumia 920 is the real innovator | Stuff magazine

Awesome.

 

[Simon Tupper]

I'm not saying that the 920 is a bad phone, but if apple did a phone with the Lumia's dimensions, it would have been better specs vs specs... seriously the iphone 5 is not far behind...

 

[squire777]

A lot of editorials today on tech sites are saying that the new iphone was underwhelming and didn't offer anything special.

The only overly positive reactions I'm seeing are from research groups and market analysts that sound clueless about the tech industry to start with. They're probably more worried about keeping share prices high.

 

[Mio_Ray]

I bet they left out wireless charging for the same reason. They just don't want to follow the otherwise agreed standards.

Let's see in a few year if they wont come around, and be sure that when hey bring iti to the table they will act like it is the second coming.


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[X0LARIUM]

A lot of editorials today on tech sites are saying that the new iphone was underwhelming and didn't offer anything special.

The only overly positive reactions I'm seeing are from research groups and market analysts that sound clueless about the tech industry to start with. They're probably more worried about keeping share prices high.

Brings me to the next question...
Have the Apple share prices dropped??

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[1jaxstate1]

Apple won't include NFC until its able to fit into a slim profile. Their fanbase don't want thick phones.

I'm not saying that the 920 is a bad phone, but if apple did a phone with the Lumia's dimensions, it would have been better specs vs specs... seriously the iphone 5 is not far behind...

add wireless charging to that too. Not sure if the NFC adds girth, but I know that wireless charging does.

 

[Daniel Ratcliffe]

Apple won't include NFC until its able to fit into a slim profile.

Here's the thing, while Apple want slimmer phones, Samsung HTC etc have slimmer phones than Apple and they include NFC on theirs.

Their fanbase don't want thick phones. add wireless charging to that too. Not sure if the NFC adds girth, but I know that wireless charging does.

Sure, it adds girth, but IIRC the Samsung Galaxy S3 also has Wireless Charging. Feel free to politely correct me if I'm wrong on this front though!

 

[crystal_planet]

Brings me to the next question...
Have the Apple share prices dropped??

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Without checking, if they have dropped it won't be by much. Stock prices won't be that affected by tech blogs or fan forums.

Just checked - they're actually up 1.78

 

[power5]

Sorry, but name a phone slimmer than 7.6mm? Apple is the thinnest and I believe the lightest smartphone. Its as slim and light as it is probably because they took the glass back off, and just created the back and sides from one piece of aluminum. The Nokia is nearly 50% thicker than the iphone. That is MASSIVE. The Nokia is 60% heavier than the Iphone5. That is also MASSIVE. No question about it, the new iphone is a very slim lightweight exquisitely manufactured device.

I for one am not too impressed with the black version though. Now its just another all black candy bar phone. Nothing at all to distinguish it from other phones. Now, in hand it may be different of course. I do not care for white phones either. Can always tell there is a huge off screen when its laying there. You can see how much is screen and how much is bezel. Just throws it off in my mind.

Siri is a gimmick, just like wireless charging. Some will find a use for it, most will not. I agree though, if wireless charging was included with the 920 it would do much more for propelling the tech than making it an additional accessory. NFC is much better than BT in my opinion. I can not count how many times i have BT problems in my car. That may be the WP software or could just be the BT 2.0 or whatever crap HTC included in my Titan compared to the latest version. I am usually driving before I realize the problem and I can only pair when parked, so that pisses me off. NFC would make this no problem. Nothing to sync anymore. It would just work.

IPhone 5 will sell well, don't fool yourself into thinking otherwise. The first new generation is always the very slight tech upgrade that gets a full OS upgrade and full design tweak. The second release (gs,s) gets the more tech upgrade same exact design and OS update. This design update was a disappointment though. The 4 was so much better than the 3 in every way. The 5 is just a simplified exterior of the 4 with a larger screen.

 

[brmiller1976]

Talking down competitive features is nothing new for Apple's mobile business.

Remember when the first iPhone shipped? Other phones had 3G and ran apps. Apple said that 3G "was a battery hog and not needed with WiFi available everywhere," and that native apps were old fashioned -- web apps were the future.

Then they added 3G and the App Store.

Then Palm launched the Pre with multitasking, gestures and native Exchange support.

Apple said that multitasking was a geek feature that nobody needed (and that added nothing to the phone experience). Gestures, we learned, were a gimmick, and native Exchange support wasn't *that* important.

Then Apple added multitasking, gestures and Exchange support to iOS.

Then Android launched phones with high resolution screens, faster chipsets and 4G wireless. Apple said those were all functions that the average user didn't care about.

Then Apple launched the Retina display, dual core chips, and HSPA in the 4/4S.

Then Android and Windows Phone devices delivered larger, high resolution screens and LTE. Apple said that LTE was a total battery drain with little value-added and that any screen above 3.5 inches is too large.

Then Apple launched the 5 with a larger screen and LTE.

I *guarantee* that Apple will launch a future device with inductive charging, NFC and other tech that is missing now.

 

[Big Supes]

So Apple sacrificed innovation in the name of having a slim-line (pun intended) iPhone? Maybe Nokia should have abandoned the Pureview, floating lens camera, 332ppi - motion HD+ screen, wireless charging, and NFC, to also release a paper thin turd that doesn't really standout from devices they've released three years ago. Way to go!!!

The way I see it is, NFC was kicked to the curb because it conflicts with Apple's monopoly policy; they're hoping Passbook prevails in the race. The rest, e.g., pixel density and camera will be upgraded in the release of the 5S. This is standard Apple practice here.

 

[1jaxstate1]

That's why I put "not sure if NFC adds girth to the phone...."

Here's the thing, while Apple want slimmer phones, Samsung HTC etc have slimmer phones than Apple and they include NFC on theirs.



Sure, it adds girth, but IIRC the Samsung Galaxy S3 also has Wireless Charging. Feel free to politely correct me if I'm wrong on this front though!

 

[1jaxstate1]

I'm pretty sure 3G was a battery hog for them at the time. They go into the phone business. They refined their product until it wasn't.

I'm pretty sure they had to get the correct patent deals in place too.

Like right now, LTE is a battery hog. Go on android central and see how many people are rooting their phones just so they have an option to turn off LTE. I bet in a < than a year of so, OEMs will refine their products so that it's not a big problem

Talking down competitive features is nothing new for Apple's mobile business.

Remember when the first iPhone shipped? Other phones had 3G and ran apps. Apple said that 3G "was a battery hog and not needed with WiFi available everywhere," and that native apps were old fashioned -- web apps were the future.

Then they added 3G and the App Store.

Then Palm launched the Pre with multitasking, gestures and native Exchange support.

Apple said that multitasking was a geek feature that nobody needed (and that added nothing to the phone experience). Gestures, we learned, were a gimmick, and native Exchange support wasn't *that* important.

Then Apple added multitasking, gestures and Exchange support to iOS.

Then Android launched phones with high resolution screens, faster chipsets and 4G wireless. Apple said those were all functions that the average user didn't care about.

Then Apple launched the Retina display, dual core chips, and HSPA in the 4/4S.

Then Android and Windows Phone devices delivered larger, high resolution screens and LTE. Apple said that LTE was a total battery drain with little value-added and that any screen above 3.5 inches is too large.

Then Apple launched the 5 with a larger screen and LTE.

I *guarantee* that Apple will launch a future device with inductive charging, NFC and other tech that is missing now.

Or they could be blowing smoke up peoples arses.

But as Apple's own ex-CEO said. They don't really invent anything, they just know how to take the current features that people want, and put them in a package that the masses want. He said that the "innovation" thing is a myth.

 

[sinime]

And I doubt Apple adds wireless charging UNLESS it's a proprietary non-standard.

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