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  1. Joelist's Avatar
    If they fixed the problems that took me off of WP 7 (lack of text reflow and poor PDF and file management functionality), then I will go with whatever turns out to be the top end Verizon phone as Verizon's network is so much better than the others it isn't even a contest.
    10-06-2012 12:14 PM
  2. snowmutt's Avatar
    I am helplessly optimistic, so forgive me if you want to stay mad. And if you have read my following post in the 8 other places I have said it, please forgive me and keep scrolling.

    But, yes, Verizon will get a high end, 920-ish device. How can I be so sure? Well, allow me to submit to the jury my completely circumstantial arguments:

    1) AT&T not only has the exclusive on the 920, they SHOULD. The 900 launch with Hero device honors was so important to Nokia. Just to get a carrier to get their name in lights again and get the consumer to think on their device was HUGE. No doubt in my mind Nokia was willing to give AT&T a bump just out of gratitude. But....

    2) Nokia can count. 110 MILLION (Dr. Evil accent) customers. 30-35 MILLION contracts every year for upgrade. New customers every quarter. This is what Verizon brings. Nokia needs sales. Like NOW. There will be a 920 varient because that is what Nokia needs to survive, and that is what Mr. Elop needs to keep his cushy CEO chair at Nokia HQ. Bank on it: Big Red is getting a top end Nokia before long.

    3) This is not WP 7. This is WP8. This is what Nokia has been pointing to since the "burning platform" memo leaked. There is not just 2 Nokia's coming out this time. Or even three. Or four. This is like Samsung or HTC on Andriod- top end devices will come, mid range devices will come, follow up devices will come, the devices in-between the the follow up devices will come. Each carrier will get as many devices as they want and Nokia will then pitch more. They are being held up by the release of WP8, and nothing more. We phone geeks want devices on launch day, casual customers will be glad to grab the best thing that is there when they need it. Most users walk into a store every two years or so, see what's there, and grab another device for two years. Nokia will be ALL OVER those users. If you want a top end Nokia and want to stay on Verizon, rest assured. There is one coming.

    4) If not, I will look stupid. I put both Ballmer and Elop in the corner for the whole "not bringing WP8 to existing devices" and told them both to straighten up. They WILL bring a 920 varient to Verizon because they promised not to make me look dumb again.

    That's my Wife and kids job.
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    10-06-2012 01:46 PM
  3. aventador779's Avatar
    I am helplessly optimistic, so forgive me if you want to stay mad. And if you have read my following post in the 8 other places I have said it, please forgive me and keep scrolling.

    But, yes, Verizon will get a high end, 920-ish device. How can I be so sure? Well, allow me to submit to the jury my completely circumstantial arguments:

    1) AT&T not only has the exclusive on the 920, they SHOULD. The 900 launch with Hero device honors was so important to Nokia. Just to get a carrier to get their name in lights again and get the consumer to think on their device was HUGE. No doubt in my mind Nokia was willing to give AT&T a bump just out of gratitude. But....

    2) Nokia can count. 110 MILLION (Dr. Evil accent) customers. 30-35 MILLION contracts every year for upgrade. New customers every quarter. This is what Verizon brings. Nokia needs sales. Like NOW. There will be a 920 varient because that is what Nokia needs to survive, and that is what Mr. Elop needs to keep his cushy CEO chair at Nokia HQ. Bank on it: Big Red is getting a top end Nokia before long.

    3) This is not WP 7. This is WP8. This is what Nokia has been pointing to since the "burning platform" memo leaked. There is not just 2 Nokia's coming out this time. Or even three. Or four. This is like Samsung or HTC on Andriod- top end devices will come, mid range devices will come, follow up devices will come, the devices in-between the the follow up devices will come. Each carrier will get as many devices as they want and Nokia will then pitch more. They are being held up by the release of WP8, and nothing more. We phone geeks want devices on launch day, casual customers will be glad to grab the best thing that is there when they need it. Most users walk into a store every two years or so, see what's there, and grab another device for two years. Nokia will be ALL OVER those users. If you want a top end Nokia and want to stay on Verizon, rest assured. There is one coming.

    4) If not, I will look stupid. I put both Ballmer and Elop in the corner for the whole "not bringing WP8 to existing devices" and told them both to straighten up. They WILL bring a 920 varient to Verizon because they promised not to make me look dumb again.

    That's my Wife and kids job.
    We can only hope. They are taking so long that I'm not hyped up anymore. Not sure if I even want to upgrade anymore to anything. Seriously.
    10-06-2012 06:16 PM
  4. aventador779's Avatar
    I am helplessly optimistic, so forgive me if you want to stay mad. And if you have read my following post in the 8 other places I have said it, please forgive me and keep scrolling.

    But, yes, Verizon will get a high end, 920-ish device. How can I be so sure? Well, allow me to submit to the jury my completely circumstantial arguments:

    1) AT&T not only has the exclusive on the 920, they SHOULD. The 900 launch with Hero device honors was so important to Nokia. Just to get a carrier to get their name in lights again and get the consumer to think on their device was HUGE. No doubt in my mind Nokia was willing to give AT&T a bump just out of gratitude. But....

    2) Nokia can count. 110 MILLION (Dr. Evil accent) customers. 30-35 MILLION contracts every year for upgrade. New customers every quarter. This is what Verizon brings. Nokia needs sales. Like NOW. There will be a 920 varient because that is what Nokia needs to survive, and that is what Mr. Elop needs to keep his cushy CEO chair at Nokia HQ. Bank on it: Big Red is getting a top end Nokia before long.

    3) This is not WP 7. This is WP8. This is what Nokia has been pointing to since the "burning platform" memo leaked. There is not just 2 Nokia's coming out this time. Or even three. Or four. This is like Samsung or HTC on Andriod- top end devices will come, mid range devices will come, follow up devices will come, the devices in-between the the follow up devices will come. Each carrier will get as many devices as they want and Nokia will then pitch more. They are being held up by the release of WP8, and nothing more. We phone geeks want devices on launch day, casual customers will be glad to grab the best thing that is there when they need it. Most users walk into a store every two years or so, see what's there, and grab another device for two years. Nokia will be ALL OVER those users. If you want a top end Nokia and want to stay on Verizon, rest assured. There is one coming.

    4) If not, I will look stupid. I put both Ballmer and Elop in the corner for the whole "not bringing WP8 to existing devices" and told them both to straighten up. They WILL bring a 920 varient to Verizon because they promised not to make me look dumb again.

    That's my Wife and kids job.
    Even IF they have a variant, it might not have all the features! Like the PureMotion HD+ display could be missing, etc. you know what I mean. Maybe not all features will come.

    That is why I want a 920, not a VARIANT. It's sad either way that it is exclusive.
    10-06-2012 06:19 PM
  5. snowmutt's Avatar
    Even IF they have a variant, it might not have all the features! Like the PureMotion HD+ display could be missing, etc. you know what I mean. Maybe not all features will come.

    That is why I want a 920, not a VARIANT. It's sad either way that it is exclusive.
    Legitimate concern. I totally get it. I just see no advantage to Nokia not including all the goodies if they want to survive. I just can't see Elop not going all in. His severance package can't be that good.
    10-06-2012 08:22 PM
  6. palandri's Avatar
    Legitimate concern. I totally get it. I just see no advantage to Nokia not including all the goodies if they want to survive. I just can't see Elop not going all in. His severance package can't be that good.
    Maybe the Verizon 922 will have a qwerty keyboard. :D
    10-06-2012 09:20 PM
  7. twincamfxd's Avatar
    Maybe the Verizon 922 will have a qwerty keyboard. :D
    I hope not lol. Besides, Big Red already has a qwerty smartphone and I don't think it is selling as well as they had hoped so they may be a little gun-shy on that.

    I hope to see verizon field a 920 with an extra digit. Same phone, same colors, same features. That phone is perfect in my eyes.
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    10-06-2012 09:32 PM
  8. stephen_az's Avatar
    If it's "obviously" coming to Verizon, then you're saying Nokia is "obviously" lying when they explicitly say it's an AT&T exclusive on Nokia's website. So either they are idiots, or they aren't being honest with their customers. Awesome.



    Nokia Lumia 920 - Windows Phone with PureView Camera - Nokia - USA
    So you post on a Friday and expect some big news on a Saturday (10/6)? People can spin this however they like but exclusive means exclusive. If a 922 is brought out after the 920 has been announced as an AT&T exclusive, and it is essentially the same phone, lawsuits will likely follow from AT&T and Microsoft will probably not step in to help Nokia. If a 922 is announced after people can pre-order the 920, then there would be options for class action suits from anyone who broke a contract to get the phone. Exclusive means exclusive and it will be exclusive until the negotiated term expires. Remarkably stupid though it may be, it means what it means.

    The joke is that it is probably based upon the fact that VZW has yet to formally announce ANY WP8 devices and Nokia calculated how long it would be before VZW could get the phone to market, or that Nokia is not confident VZW is really committed at all. They then slap an exclusive tag on a product to give it an air of prominence. A bad and stupid decision. The same can be said of VZW's continuing silence three weeks short of the platform launch, unless they plan to pull a repeat of the WP7 one and out strategy and only get in if the platform takes off.
    10-07-2012 02:28 AM
  9. SlickShoesRUCrazy's Avatar
    So you post on a Friday and expect some big news on a Saturday (10/6)? People can spin this however they like but exclusive means exclusive. If a 922 is brought out after the 920 has been announced as an AT&T exclusive, and it is essentially the same phone, lawsuits will likely follow from AT&T and Microsoft will probably not step in to help Nokia. If a 922 is announced after people can pre-order the 920, then there would be options for class action suits from anyone who broke a contract to get the phone. Exclusive means exclusive and it will be exclusive until the negotiated term expires. Remarkably stupid though it may be, it means what it means.

    The joke is that it is probably based upon the fact that VZW has yet to formally announce ANY WP8 devices and Nokia calculated how long it would be before VZW could get the phone to market, or that Nokia is not confident VZW is really committed at all. They then slap an exclusive tag on a product to give it an air of prominence. A bad and stupid decision. The same can be said of VZW's continuing silence three weeks short of the platform launch, unless they plan to pull a repeat of the WP7 one and out strategy and only get in if the platform takes off.
    exclusive does not necessarily mean exclusive....what matters is what is written in the contract. in the videogame world we have seen many occassions of games being called exclusive that end up only being temporary so.
    10-07-2012 02:46 AM
  10. freestaterocker's Avatar
    I am helplessly optimistic, so forgive me if you want to stay mad. And if you have read my following post in the 8 other places I have said it, please forgive me and keep scrolling.

    But, yes, Verizon will get a high end, 920-ish device. How can I be so sure? Well, allow me to submit to the jury my completely circumstantial arguments:

    1) AT&T not only has the exclusive on the 920, they SHOULD. The 900 launch with Hero device honors was so important to Nokia. Just to get a carrier to get their name in lights again and get the consumer to think on their device was HUGE. No doubt in my mind Nokia was willing to give AT&T a bump just out of gratitude. But....

    2) Nokia can count. 110 MILLION (Dr. Evil accent) customers. 30-35 MILLION contracts every year for upgrade. New customers every quarter. This is what Verizon brings. Nokia needs sales. Like NOW. There will be a 920 varient because that is what Nokia needs to survive, and that is what Mr. Elop needs to keep his cushy CEO chair at Nokia HQ. Bank on it: Big Red is getting a top end Nokia before long.

    3) This is not WP 7. This is WP8. This is what Nokia has been pointing to since the "burning platform" memo leaked. There is not just 2 Nokia's coming out this time. Or even three. Or four. This is like Samsung or HTC on Andriod- top end devices will come, mid range devices will come, follow up devices will come, the devices in-between the the follow up devices will come. Each carrier will get as many devices as they want and Nokia will then pitch more. They are being held up by the release of WP8, and nothing more. We phone geeks want devices on launch day, casual customers will be glad to grab the best thing that is there when they need it. Most users walk into a store every two years or so, see what's there, and grab another device for two years. Nokia will be ALL OVER those users. If you want a top end Nokia and want to stay on Verizon, rest assured. There is one coming.

    4) If not, I will look stupid. I put both Ballmer and Elop in the corner for the whole "not bringing WP8 to existing devices" and told them both to straighten up. They WILL bring a 920 varient to Verizon because they promised not to make me look dumb again.

    That's my Wife and kids job.
    TBH, as soon as you said Dr. Evil voice, I heard the rest of your post that way. It was awesome.
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    10-07-2012 07:51 AM
  11. stephen_az's Avatar
    If I hadn't sold my Galaxy Nexus in anticipation of getting a WP8 device on launch day, I might have considered waiting a week or 2 if that time frame were set in stone. However, now that I'm using a 4 year old flip phone, I will be at the Verizon store on day 1. If that means I end up with an 8X, so be it as it was a close 2nd to the 920 on my list.
    So are you going to be at the VZW store on day one to but an iPhone or Android phone? VZW has still not announced a single device that will be available at platform launch, or any other date for that matter. Selling a working phone on the anticipation that a carrier will have something new in a month (that they have still not even acknowledged exists) is like selling your 2012 car because you "know" a rumored 2013 car that as never been seen will be available in a month. Good luck riding the bus waiting for it to arrive....
    10-07-2012 05:21 PM
  12. stephen_az's Avatar
    Same here. I really want the 920, but there is nothing about it worth waiting even more then a day for. It's 8X or ATIV for me. Still not sure which one but the ATIV has a huge battery compared to the 8X. I dunno.
    ...and VSW has still not officially acknowledged the Ativ or 8X as even coming soon.
    10-07-2012 05:24 PM
  13. stephen_az's Avatar
    HTC certainly has. The 8X will be available on contract from 12 November on AT&T and T-Mobile, with a price of $199 on contract. Verizon is also expected to sell the handset but has given no pricing and only a "mid November" target.

    Now, how much is the Lumia 920 going to cost on AT&T, and when can I buy one? Ooops. Still don't know.
    VZW has only committed to having devices in quarter 4 and has otherwise remained completely silent. Until they name devices and dates, the statement is about as meaningful as the ones from RIM executives as to when BB10 will appear....
    10-07-2012 05:32 PM
  14. VagrantWade's Avatar
    Is "tomorrow" again, where's the Verizon announcement?
    Title was edited the day after. I can't do the reading for you.
    10-07-2012 05:39 PM
  15. stephen_az's Avatar
    Well, technically I dont KNOW know. :) Your Sony example doesn't really apply because no Sony devices are ever on Verizon. The 822 is coming to Verizon and I will not believe that Nokia would waste time building a CDMA 822 if that is all they were bringing to Verizon.
    Nothing is confirmed as coming to VZW since VZW has not made any announcements beyond unspecified phones in quarter 4. This is coming from a company that frequently lets you pre-order the latest and greatest android and iPhone models. Until VZW officially announces specific devices with dates, it is all pure speculation as to which (if any) devices will be carried. Looking at FCC certifications by manufacturers also does not mean that the device will be available. It means that they simply got something certified to work on a CDMA network. There is a certification for a 4G Blackberry Playbook too - have you seen any of those on sale at VZW (or anywhere else)?
    10-07-2012 05:40 PM
  16. Scout_313's Avatar
    So are you going to be at the VZW store on day one to but an iPhone or Android phone? VZW has still not announced a single device that will be available at platform launch, or any other date for that matter. Selling a working phone on the anticipation that a carrier will have something new in a month (that they have still not even acknowledged exists) is like selling your 2012 car because you "know" a rumored 2013 car that as never been seen will be available in a month. Good luck riding the bus waiting for it to arrive....
    Why would I buy an iPhone or Android device when I flat out said that I'd be buying a WP8 phone? Even if Verizon doesn't get a Windows Phone 8 device until December 31st, I will not be going back to Android or iOS. Day 1 meant the first day that a WP8 device is available on Verizon.

    Anyway, why do you care what I do with my phones? Since I'll be paying full retail for my next phone, I wanted to get the most money out of my Galaxy Nexus as I could. Also, having a flip phone on my account for a couple of months will save me over $60 in data plan charges, which ends up being a $400 down payment on whichever phone I end up purchasing. Sounds pretty smart to me.
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    10-07-2012 07:15 PM
  17. independentvolume's Avatar
    Why would I buy an iPhone or Android device when I flat out said that I'd be buying a WP8 phone? Even if Verizon doesn't get a Windows Phone 8 device until December 31st, I will not be going back to Android or iOS. Day 1 meant the first day that a WP8 device is available on Verizon.

    Anyway, why do you care what I do with my phones? Since I'll be paying full retail for my next phone, I wanted to get the most money out of my Galaxy Nexus as I could. Also, having a flip phone on my account for a couple of months will save me over $60 in data plan charges, which ends up being a $400 down payment on whichever phone I end up purchasing. Sounds pretty smart to me.
    The guy obviously has something eating at him inside. Notice how he has numerous posts in a row puking the same thing.
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    10-07-2012 08:30 PM
  18. luonchinguoc's Avatar
    Same here. I really want the 920, but there is nothing about it worth waiting even more then a day for. It's 8X or ATIV for me. Still not sure which one but the ATIV has a huge battery compared to the 8X. I dunno.
    ATIV has not much difference on their battery 2300mAh compared to 2000mAh of 920 because ATIVE has bigger display. ATIVE has Card slot but 920 has not.
    10-08-2012 07:25 AM
  19. tk-093's Avatar
    ATIV has not much difference on their battery 2300mAh compared to 2000mAh of 920 because ATIVE has bigger display. ATIVE has Card slot but 920 has not.
    Yep, I was comparing the battery with the 8X, not the 920. The 920 is my #1 choice, followed by the ATIV.
    10-08-2012 09:38 AM
  20. snowmutt's Avatar
    VZW has only committed to having devices in quarter 4 and has otherwise remained completely silent. Until they name devices and dates, the statement is about as meaningful as the ones from RIM executives as to when BB10 will appear....
    You seem.... grumpy.....

    What on Earth would Verizon wait for?? AT&T to get the users who have wanted WP (a small yet mighty crowd) on Verizon to switch? A large group of Trophy users and those actually interested will be watching. Verizon will have some options on Launch day. Just good sense. Verizon has announced they are excited for WP8. That is all but a confirmation they will have it.

    @scout_13... I respect your commitment. A four year old flip phone??? Ewwwww... I would be there opening day as the doors unlock...
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    10-08-2012 03:57 PM
  21. Scout_313's Avatar
    @scout_13... I respect your commitment. A four year old flip phone??? Ewwwww... I would be there opening day as the doors unlock...
    Yes, I am definitely committed to WP8. I find iOS to be too boring and Android to stutter a little too often, despite having the best hardware out there. BB10 looks to be a viable competitor so long as RIM gets rid of the reliance on BES/BIS as it severely limited what you could do with e-mail as a non-corporate user. Windows Phone has always put a lot of information at your fingertips and the controlled structure of the OS makes it more likely that there will be fewer software glitches than with more open operating systems. I'm also liking the fact that my laptop, phone, and soon-to-be tablet will provide very similar user experiences.

    The worst part is that this flip phone was inactive during a period in time where they sent out a vital software update. As a result, I couldn't use VZW Backup Assistant to transfer my contacts over. While I'm still great at texting with T9, it's such a pain to try to input a person's first and last name when re-entering contact details. November can't get here soon enough.
    10-08-2012 04:10 PM
  22. Mitlov's Avatar
    Well, technically I dont KNOW know. :) Your Sony example doesn't really apply because no Sony devices are ever on Verizon.
    Last year the Xperia Play was on Verizon.

    The 822 is coming to Verizon and I will not believe that Nokia would waste time building a CDMA 822 if that is all they were bringing to Verizon.
    With WP7, Verizon sold the HTC Trophy but not the HTC Titan...isn't it entirely possible that they'll do the same with Nokia's WP8 phones?

    Also, the CDMA model may not JUST be for Verizon. It could also be for US Cellular and numerous Chinese carriers that also use CDMA. A high-priced Lumia 920 may not be appropriate for any of these lower-cost CDMA carriers.
    10-08-2012 04:36 PM
  23. cckgz4's Avatar
    Seeing the 810 makes me think Verizon still has a 920
    10-08-2012 07:38 PM
  24. Scout_313's Avatar
    Seeing the 810 makes me think Verizon still has a 920
    I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this is true until Verizon actually reveals their WP8 plans. I'd love to see all of the high-end devices come to VZW so that WP8 has the best chance to attract new users.
    10-08-2012 07:48 PM
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