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01-05-2013 04:01 PM
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  1. ticktock5's Avatar
    So about the original topic... since no one really has any encouraging news, I'm just going to trial out the 8x for another week or so. But this time, no cheating... no e-mailing myself photos when I want to instagram, or switching sims when I want reliable facebook chat on the go, etc. If I really can't deal, it's going back... I'm just going to assume the worst and that we're never going to get a real facebook or instagram app. Not worth the risk of getting stuck with the phone for 2 years if there hasn't been any official word.

    But if I can live without them, great!
    12-18-2012 05:37 PM
  2. jarettp's Avatar
    Why don't you just download the Facebook app for WP if this really annoys you so much? Why does not having a history annoy you so much anyway?

    http://www.windowsphone.com/s?appid=...4-00237de2db9e
    12-18-2012 05:51 PM
  3. tk-093's Avatar
    So about the original topic... since no one really has any encouraging news, I'm just going to trial out the 8x for another week or so. But this time, no cheating... no e-mailing myself photos when I want to instagram, or switching sims when I want reliable facebook chat on the go, etc. If I really can't deal, it's going back... I'm just going to assume the worst and that we're never going to get a real facebook or instagram app. Not worth the risk of getting stuck with the phone for 2 years if there hasn't been any official word.

    But if I can live without them, great!
    Nothing wrong with that. If the things that are important to you don't work right, then you totally ened to go with what works for you. If you do go back, hopefully we'll see you down the road someday.
    12-18-2012 05:53 PM
  4. ticktock5's Avatar
    Why don't you just download the Facebook app for WP if this really annoys you so much? Why does not having a history annoy you so much anyway?

    Facebook | Windows Phone Apps+Games Store (United States)
    Don't feel like arguing with someone who obviously hasn't read the thread, but here: The facebook app for WP is made by MS, not facebook, so it's lacking many basic features like chat. It is not comparable to what is offered on other platforms.
    12-18-2012 05:54 PM
  5. ticktock5's Avatar
    Nothing wrong with that. If the things that are important to you don't work right, then you totally ened to go with what works for you. If you do go back, hopefully we'll see you down the road someday.
    I saw that Nokia actually has a new phone coming out q1 2013... the 620? Looks really small and compact. If I return it and WP does end up getting the apps, I'd definitely go for that!
    12-18-2012 05:56 PM
  6. tk-093's Avatar
    I saw that Nokia actually has a new phone coming out q1 2013... the 620? Looks really small and compact. If I return it and WP does end up getting the apps, I'd definitely go for that!

    Have you tried FIM? Fim Chat | Windows Phone Apps+Games Store (United States)

    EDIT: Looks like somebody mentioned it on the first page.. did you try it though? I was gonna give it a shot later.
    12-18-2012 06:01 PM
  7. ticktock5's Avatar
    Have you tried FIM? Fim Chat | Windows Phone Apps+Games Store (United States)

    EDIT: Looks like somebody mentioned it on the first page.. did you try it though? I was gonna give it a shot later.
    No worries, I was gonna try it tonight... looks promising
    12-18-2012 06:09 PM
  8. narv's Avatar
    I know you said you don't like the ms fb app and it isn't official from facebook.. but I mean it has "chat" in the message inbox since it is the same thing... as said above you can pin that to your start screen and youll have your chat history and chat via that..

    I don't know if facebook will make an official app or what not but I know ms jus recently updated the fb app for win 8 with some bug fixes and stability issues and with all the updatex we've seen from ms and nokia so far with wp8 being not even 2 months yet, I would like to think they will get those features soon though again there is no official word on anything.
    12-18-2012 06:13 PM
  9. spaulagain's Avatar
    The thing is, there are obviously a lot of people out there who would disagree with you... And most of them aren't going to be on this forum, because as soon as they walk into AT&T or whatever and hear WP doesn't have things like instagram, they're not even going to bother. I'm one of the few that's open minded. So yeah... do you want to be using a niche platform that everyone gives up on in a few years? Or do you want to be using a successful OS with tons of support (both third party and MS) for years to come? If the latter, they have to give consumers the biggest variety of options of what they can do with their phone.

    That's not what I'm asking for at all. I didn't even have my old facebook app set to push notification because that's not what I was looking for (I agree, it would be annoying to have every device going off at once).

    All I want is when I open up my "conversation" with a person, I want it to be able to display all the previous messages in that conversation. With the iPhone and Android facebook and facebook messenger apps that's possible, because they all download the messages directly from Facebook's servers each time you open it up. You don't get a new "ding" for each old message, because it knows that you've already read them through another medium. WP's chat integration is unable to do that (probably because they're just working with the public API as opposed to having facebook develop for them). Which would be FINE, if there were an app that could. Just give us both options... the integration for people who want it, and the full facebook experience through an app for people who want that.
    What are you talking about? Mine does that. I see the same Facebook conversation on my Windows 8 PC as I do on my phone. AND, when I actually use the browser version occasionally, I can the conversation there.
    12-18-2012 06:27 PM
  10. spaulagain's Avatar
    Don't feel like arguing with someone who obviously hasn't read the thread, but here: The facebook app for WP is made by MS, not facebook, so it's lacking many basic features like chat. It is not comparable to what is offered on other platforms.
    They don't have chat in the FB App because its BUILT INTO THE PHONE. You just go to your messaging hub and the Facebook option is there. Why would MS duplicate a Facebook Chat in the app and built into the phone.

    Sounds like you just need to go back to iOS then. Everyone else here is happy. Even those of us who have used iOS often.
    12-18-2012 06:33 PM
  11. jarettp's Avatar
    Don't feel like arguing with someone who obviously hasn't read the thread, but here: The facebook app for WP is made by MS, not facebook, so it's lacking many basic features like chat. It is not comparable to what is offered on other platforms.
    all you need it for is reading the history for some reason. You can use the messaging app for chat. I don't see the issue here. I hated using chat in the Facebook app. especially that ****ty Facebook app on the iphone.
    12-18-2012 06:36 PM
  12. ticktock5's Avatar
    What are you talking about? Mine does that. I see the same Facebook conversation on my Windows 8 PC as I do on my phone. AND, when I actually use the browser version occasionally, I can the conversation there.
    I don't think you understand. Try sending a message to someone from your computer on facebook's website... it will NOT show up in WP's messaging app because it's not designed to work in that way. This isn't a questionable issue... it's fact. The only debate is whether or not it's important. It is to me.

    They don't have chat in the FB App because its BUILT INTO THE PHONE. You just go to your messaging hub and the Facebook option is there. Why would MS duplicate a Facebook Chat in the app and built into the phone.

    Sounds like you just need to go back to iOS then. Everyone else here is happy. Even those of us who have used iOS often.
    It's "built into the phone", but not in a functional way (e.g. there's no conversation history). Sorry, not going to bother responding to you any more since you obviously can't be bothered to read the thread.
    12-18-2012 06:37 PM
  13. erasure25's Avatar
    Don't feel like arguing with someone who obviously hasn't read the thread, but here: The facebook app for WP is made by MS, not facebook, so it's lacking many basic features like chat. It is not comparable to what is offered on other platforms.
    Here's what you do:
    1. Download the Facebook app for WP8
    2. Sign into your account etc
    3. Let it sync yada yada
    4. When on your "News Feed" swipe to the right
    5. Touch "Messages"
    6. You should see all your chats with history etc. It's called "Messages" in the WP app, not "Chat."

    If it doesn't work for you, not sure what to tell you, cuz it works for me. But I normally just use the built in messaging for me cuz I switch from FB to text all the time as people move about...
    12-18-2012 06:38 PM
  14. ticktock5's Avatar
    I know you said you don't like the ms fb app and it isn't official from facebook.. but I mean it has "chat" in the message inbox since it is the same thing... as said above you can pin that to your start screen and youll have your chat history and chat via that..

    I don't know if facebook will make an official app or what not but I know ms jus recently updated the fb app for win 8 with some bug fixes and stability issues and with all the updatex we've seen from ms and nokia so far with wp8 being not even 2 months yet, I would like to think they will get those features soon though again there is no official word on anything.
    It's not really "chat" it's just (ostensibly offline) messages. I'm aware that you can send messages regardless of your status, but it's not as seamless as a real-time, updating chat log.

    The updated app is a lot smoother, but still doesn't have chat.
    12-18-2012 06:39 PM
  15. ticktock5's Avatar
    Here's what you do:
    1. Download the Facebook app for WP8
    2. Sign into your account etc
    3. Let it sync yada yada
    4. When on your "News Feed" swipe to the right
    5. Touch "Messages"
    6. You should see all your chats with history etc. It's called "Messages" in the WP app, not "Chat."
    But that's messages, not chat. There is a difference.

    I want to be able to go online, chat with my friends, and see the entire conversation history within one "app" or "space." Other than the fim app I'm looking to download, this is impossible in any official way on WP. This is well established, do a search.
    12-18-2012 06:42 PM
  16. erasure25's Avatar
    It's not really "chat" it's just (ostensibly offline) messages. I'm aware that you can send messages regardless of your status, but it's not as seamless as a real-time, updating chat log.

    The updated app is a lot smoother, but still doesn't have chat.
    Try IM+ app then.
    12-18-2012 06:43 PM
  17. erasure25's Avatar
    But that's messages, not chat. There is a difference.

    I want to be able to go online, chat with my friends, and see the entire conversation history within one "app" or "space." Other than the fim app I'm looking to download, this is impossible in any official way on WP. This is well established, do a search.
    What phone are you using? This doesn't make sense. I see my whole history in the messages screen of the app. I can write a reply and it will show up, and I see replies in real time. Is your complaint that it takes a few seconds between messages showing? I don't know why you are saying messages is different from chat other than they are different words. Show me the link, otherwise I have no clue what you mean by "do a search."
    12-18-2012 06:47 PM
  18. ticktock5's Avatar
    Try IM+ app then.
    Haven't heard of that, but I'll look into it. I am open to trying out other options.

    Doesn't change the fact that it's impossible to do within the WP "facebook" app or WP's messaging. Don't understand why people are still trying to convince me that isn't true lol.
    12-18-2012 06:50 PM
  19. ticktock5's Avatar
    What phone are you using? This doesn't make sense. I see my whole history in the messages screen of the app. I can write a reply and it will show up, and I see replies in real time. Is your complaint that it takes a few seconds between messages showing? I don't know why you are saying messages is different from chat other than they are different words. Show me the link, otherwise I have no clue what you mean by "do a search."
    My complaint is that when I want to log on to facebook chat, I want to log onto facebook chat. I want to use their IM service in the way it was intended to be used. I don't want to be sending "messages" that will confuse my friends because they're not sure if I'm actually online or not.
    12-18-2012 06:52 PM
  20. CJ Thunder's Avatar
    Two separate programs then, right? So texts and chats don't get confused. There has to be a good fb chat app.
    12-18-2012 06:58 PM
  21. troylytle's Avatar
    Considering Instagram is now going to license your pictures for the highest dollar, I could giv ea crap if it ever comes to WP, but that crap probably just guaranteed that it will so they can foist as many pictures from people as possible.
    you can go into the Facebook app and pin a messaging tile to the start screen.
    12-18-2012 07:04 PM
  22. FinsUpDNC's Avatar
    But that's messages, not chat. There is a difference.

    I want to be able to go online, chat with my friends, and see the entire conversation history within one "app" or "space." Other than the fim app I'm looking to download, this is impossible in any official way on WP. This is well established, do a search.
    You should tell facebook that there is a difference because they did a whole event where they talked about there being no difference now. If you send a message and someone is online it pops up in their chat window, if not it goes to inbox or vice versa. It is their unified messaging system.
    12-18-2012 07:15 PM
  23. snaqvi91's Avatar
    Just return the 8X and get a BlackBerry 10 when it comes out. Instagram is coming for sure on it, Facebook will have a solid app for it from the 1st day, a stable android version of whatsapp can be side loaded on to it, multitasking is solid on it, android apps can be side loaded.
    12-18-2012 07:22 PM
  24. narv's Avatar
    It's not really "chat" it's just (ostensibly offline) messages. I'm aware that you can send messages regardless of your status, but it's not as seamless as a real-time, updating chat log.

    The updated app is a lot smoother, but still doesn't have chat.

    what i guess i don't really understand is you are saying the messaging isn't chat (while technically it is but we can look past that for now) but you have a chat feature on the phone.

    in your example, you are saying that if you are on the computer and you are on facebook chat with someone, the messages you send do not show up on the messaging text app on the phone.. while their replies do show up (this is the case with me at least). However, if you transition to the phone for on the go, you can message from the app and it will show and then it will also reflect on facebook itself. The history is saved and viewable anytime from the facebook app by microsoft.

    you say that it's not streamlined (the messaging app) like a chat program but if you are trying to chat from your phone, why are you using the messaging portion of the facebook app and not the messaging app that is on the phone? I guess you are looking for a unified answer (though facebook chat and the facebook app are also 2 seperate things on iOS even though it does show your message updates via the facebook app itself. I know this coming form an iphone 4S myself) but that is just not the case in Windows Phone.. and as many are showing here, it doesn't seem to be a major issue for most current windows phone users, just some getting used it.

    If you can still view your history from the facebook app itself, i guess i don't see why you also need it in the messaging app. If you are looking to reference a previous statement or something, you can still go into the facebook app and copy / paste the messages (or screenshot or whatever) you want and use it that way, or to read all of your messages on the go.

    Im not trying to be rude or anything, I just don't understand what you are trying to ask for since you are asking for features to be in 1 app that are located in another app. Since Microsoft made both apps, they know what both of them have and made them work in that way and not duplicate the feature.

    I will admit that sometimes it's odd that im talking to someone on FB chat on the computer and when i check my phone later, i see all of the messages they sent me and none of my replies, but i still have my replies they are just in another app tile a few inches away. Just a difference in how you access it really. I personally wish that only if im talking to the person on my phone on FB chat that their messages would show up in the messaging app on my phone and maybe someday we will both get what we want via a settings option.

    Heck I want the messaging app to support more chat programs like skype too :)
    12-18-2012 07:56 PM
  25. tk-093's Avatar
    Messaging actually isn't really chat. It's just an inbox. To be a chat, it really needs to show you the list of people that are online, like every other chat app would do.

    UPDATE: Though if you are chatting with somebody on the computer and want to switch to the phone, that is a valid use of the messaging page since you know they are still online.
    Last edited by tk-093; 12-18-2012 at 09:03 PM.
    12-18-2012 08:36 PM
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