1. immyperez's Avatar
    I just thought I'd look for a magic 8 ball app and only expected 5-10 variations maximum!

    Instead there are almost 50!!! It got me thinking even more about how many useless apps must be on Android and Apple...and how tech journalists use this as their primary argument, lol!

    Like others have said, more quality apps is what we need. Great thing about Windows Phone - THE AMAZING WEALTH OF TALENT with the third party devs!

    I SALUTE YOU
    xandros9 likes this.
    07-23-2013 07:08 AM
  2. gsquared's Avatar
    Thats the dirty little secret of Android / IOS.

    The Android crowd is a particularly confusing bunch. One of their arguments against WP and IOS is the fact of Android being an open OS. However they only want "official" apps. They shun the 3rd party developers that an open OS would benefit the most. This oddity has carried over to the WP user base as well. There are some wonderful 3rd party apps for WP but all you ever hear is "but it's not an official app".

    A good app is a good app. Or as I like to think "a good tool is a good tool". To me, it doesn't matter who wrote it or made it.
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    07-23-2013 08:03 AM
  3. Chregu's Avatar
    Well, I think there are multiple problems with 3rd party apps:

    1. The name: They often have confusing and different names to the official apps. For example Instance. How does a new user who wants to use Instagram know that Instance is an alternative?

    2. The APIs: Many of the best 3rd party apps are based on a hacked API. For example Instance or Metrotube. Changes affect these apps directly and they can be broken over extended period of times. I don't know about legal issues here, but it still feels strange to pay for an app that is based on unofficial means, what brings me to:

    3. The price: Many 3rd party apps cost money. I don't have a problem with paying for a good app. But if on other platforms an official and free app is available that works perfectly, I can understand people complaining if they have to pay for the same.

    4. The support: Even though 3rd party apps are often supported better than most official apps, an official company name can still seem more reliable than some unknown and strange developer name.
    07-23-2013 08:11 AM
  4. Dragone's Avatar
    I love to answer to "XYZ is an open OS" argument with "I don't give a crap"
    It really gets my satisfaction
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    07-23-2013 09:44 AM
  5. gsquared's Avatar
    Well, I think there are multiple problems with 3rd party apps:

    1. The name: They often have confusing and different names to the official apps. For example Instance. How does a new user who wants to use Instagram know that Instance is an alternative?

    2. The APIs: Many of the best 3rd party apps are based on a hacked API. For example Instance or Metrotube. Changes affect these apps directly and they can be broken over extended period of times. I don't know about legal issues here, but it still feels strange to pay for an app that is based on unofficial means, what brings me to:

    3. The price: Many 3rd party apps cost money. I don't have a problem with paying for a good app. But if on other platforms an official and free app is available that works perfectly, I can understand people complaining if they have to pay for the same.

    4. The support: Even though 3rd party apps are often supported better than most official apps, an official company name can still seem more reliable than some unknown and strange developer name.
    Alright. Those are aceptable answers. A little on the weak-side but acceptable.
    07-23-2013 09:56 AM
  6. gsquared's Avatar
    I love to answer to "XYZ is an open OS" argument with "I don't give a crap"
    It really gets my satisfaction
    Good to know. You like sitting on the fence. Carry on!
    07-23-2013 10:01 AM
  7. Chregu's Avatar
    Alright. Those are aceptable answers. A little on the weak-side but acceptable.
    What the hell does that mean? Please elaborate.
    07-23-2013 10:31 AM
  8. Cindy_H's Avatar
    You gotta wonder if you eliminated all the duplicate apps, just how big would the gap between WP, iOS and Android really be?
    07-23-2013 10:43 AM
  9. gsquared's Avatar
    What the hell does that mean? Please elaborate.
    It means your counter-arguement is weak!
    07-23-2013 11:53 AM
  10. CJ Thunder's Avatar
    I love to answer to "XYZ is an open OS" argument with "I don't give a crap"
    It really gets my satisfaction
    Porn, hookups, gambling, things we can't do on a closed system. You may not care, many do.
    07-23-2013 11:57 AM
  11. immyperez's Avatar
    You gotta wonder if you eliminated all the duplicate apps, just how big would the gap between WP, iOS and Android really be?
    Considering WP, and more so WP8, is still the new kid on the block...I'd say like 100,000 at least - that includes the fact that most games are just copy cats of each other! I have nothing to go on except a Jessica Fletcher hunch, so don't read too far into it, lol.

    My issue is, I don't even know what apps are truly available. Like...if I need an app for something, how would I even know it exists?
    07-23-2013 11:57 AM
  12. immyperez's Avatar
    Porn, hookups, gambling, things we can't do on a closed system. You may not care, many do.
    That is the compromise. But I like the fact that I know my info is secure.
    07-23-2013 12:05 PM
  13. Chregu's Avatar
    It means your counter-arguement is weak!
    Okay, good to know. I see your very strong argument here and why you think my points are weak. Very well written, great explanation there!

    I mean, it already started breathtakingly, how you wrote about open systems and the possibilities for 3rd party apps and people (the Android crowd) wanting official apps anyway, but then prising the 3rd party apps on Windows Phone, the closest system available. Strong stuff!

    The Android crowd is a particularly confusing bunch. One of their arguments against WP and IOS is the fact of Android being an open OS. However they only want "official" apps. They shun the 3rd party developers that an open OS would benefit the most. This oddity has carried over to the WP user base as well. There are some wonderful 3rd party apps for WP but all you ever hear is "but it's not an official app".
    Wait, could you explain again: Where's the secret in all of this? Making the WP users wanting official apps on purpose?

    Thats the dirty little secret of Android / IOS.
    You have opened my eyes.
    07-23-2013 12:07 PM
  14. Still Mostly Harmless's Avatar
    Android has hundreds and a much larger market share:

    mobile market share
    07-23-2013 12:08 PM
  15. OzRob's Avatar
    One thing that hasn't been mentioned so far is the the Windows Phone API simply doesn't allow certain things to be done, so certain very useful apps on the Android platform can't be done on WP. One example is an incredibly powerful Android app such as Llama, which allows you to do things based on your location, like lower your phone's ringer volume when your at your office, or turn on wifi when you arrive at your home. This sort of thing currently can't be done on Windows Phone.

    And on the subject of useless apps, someone once said, "90% of everything is cr@p". My view is that proportionally WP has just as many useless apps as Android, it's just that overall there are far more Android apps, so in terms of sheer numbers, Android wins the 'useless app stakes' hands down. But, unfortunately, in terms of numbers it wins the 'useful apps stakes' as well.
    07-23-2013 08:05 PM
  16. gsquared's Avatar
    Okay, good to know. I see your very strong argument here and why you think my points are weak. Very well written, great explanation there!

    I mean, it already started breathtakingly, how you wrote about open systems and the possibilities for 3rd party apps and people (the Android crowd) wanting official apps anyway, but then prising the 3rd party apps on Windows Phone, the closest system available. Strong stuff!



    Wait, could you explain again: Where's the secret in all of this? Making the WP users wanting official apps on purpose?



    You have opened my eyes.
    Hahah. Dude, the whole point is moot. Its good to see I can still get people going though.

    G's still got it!
    07-23-2013 08:12 PM
  17. Chregu's Avatar
    Hahah. Dude, the whole point is moot. Its good to see I can still get people going though.

    G's still got it!
    If I'd spell out what I think about you, people would call me what you are :-)
    07-24-2013 12:01 AM
  18. FinancialP's Avatar
    Windows Phone store allows apps with the exact same name and icon.

    Ijs/ they all have crap. I myself wouldn't use a third party app, I only use official. That alone severely limits my Lumia use.
    07-24-2013 12:26 AM
  19. LeLee092's Avatar
    Windows
    Ijs/ they all have crap. I myself wouldn't use a third party app, I only use official. That alone severely limits my Lumia use.
    Yeah that really does :/ you must be very unhappy
    I know id be since we dont have official instagram or snapchat...thats why I'm so happy 3rd party developers take their time to make these app and make the WP experience a happier one! :)
    07-24-2013 01:07 AM
  20. immyperez's Avatar
    One thing that hasn't been mentioned so far is the the Windows Phone API simply doesn't allow certain things to be done, so certain very useful apps on the Android platform can't be done on WP. One example is an incredibly powerful Android app such as Llama, which allows you to do things based on your location, like lower your phone's ringer volume when your at your office, or turn on wifi when you arrive at your home. This sort of thing currently can't be done on Windows Phone.

    And on the subject of useless apps, someone once said, "90% of everything is cr@p". My view is that proportionally WP has just as many useless apps as Android, it's just that overall there are far more Android apps, so in terms of sheer numbers, Android wins the 'useless app stakes' hands down. But, unfortunately, in terms of numbers it wins the 'useful apps stakes' as well.
    Llama sounds EPIC!!! I know that there are a lot of other amazing apps for both iOS and Android that we are missing out on too. It makes me a little sad.

    However, every time I use iOS (mum's iPhone 5) and Android (friends/family/majority of population, lol), I just think the same thing...I don't like the look of it all. The feel of it.

    I don't care what anyone says, every ANDROID including the new SG4 has lag...granted, I am told that stock Android is lag free, I can't comment.

    iOS for some reason is just frustrating. I have nothing against either operating system, except that they are not for me.

    And the designs...boring! Although, the iPhone 5 is the first one I have ever really liked. Feels nice and looks premium...shame my mum snaps a different cover on it each day!
    07-24-2013 12:43 PM
  21. ohgood's Avatar
    I just thought I'd look for a magic 8 ball app and only expected 5-10 variations maximum!

    Instead there are almost 50!!! It got me thinking even more about how many useless apps must be on Android and Apple...and how tech journalists use this as their primary argument, lol!

    Like others have said, more quality apps is what we need. Great thing about Windows Phone - THE AMAZING WEALTH OF TALENT with the third party devs!

    I SALUTE YOU

    there are (well, sometimes) different features in the different applications, that make them more desirable than others.

    for instance, I searched for a speedometer application:

    i found one that was only a speedometer, using the accelerometers
    i found one that was only a speedometer, using the gps
    i found one that was only a speedometer, using cellular data pings
    then i found one that was a speedometer, using gps (no data required), underlayed a google map (with my current position) behind the display, and was able to switch to HUD-mode, interface with offline navigation apps, and give both eta and tmg data, all on the same simple interface.

    more selection of apps is good. period.

    what the self proclaimed 'tech journalists' postulate as truth is proportionally as important as you make it. don't confuse the two. :)
    10-10-2013 06:39 AM

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