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  1. a5cent's Avatar
    And since Microsoft is not opening the API randomly, but it's doing that because users (like me) are complaining, let me (and other users) complain.
    Those API restrictions you and others mention exist for a reason. Not all of them, I admit, but most, meaning work was done to put those restrictions in place. You are free to complain, but don't kid yourself that MS is loosening any API restriction due to complaints. As long as the reason for an API restriction exists, then so will the API restriction itself.

    Also, in iOS you can also create an app that, in background, keeps track of your gps position and perform small computation of that; in WP you can't.
    etc etc
    I didn't notice that with wp 8 they added the API to execute location-based application in background (anyway, the documentation about this is pretty recent).
    That is certainly the biggest limitation you mentioned, and as you've learned, it hasn't existed since WP8 was released. The documentation is well over a year old now.

    This is easy. Just look at whatsapp... they cannot allow you to send a stored video or song because of API restrictions.
    In iOS you can create a decent media player (for instance, one that adds subs to your videos), impossible on WP.
    I agree with the needs you are expressing, but I disagree that the cause of your problems are too restrictive APIs. The restrictions you mentioned are tied to larger concepts that transcend any particular API. The solution to those issues will come about without loosening any of the current API restrictions. Similar to how the lack of background location tracking was solved without opening up any of the APIs pertaining to multitasking. Another example would be your issue with WhatsApp. That problem will ultimately be resolved through better SkyDrive integration, again, not by opening up any particular API.
    Last edited by a5cent; 09-29-2013 at 07:22 PM. Reason: spelling
    09-18-2013 06:12 PM
  2. AngryNil's Avatar
    This is easy. Just look at whatsapp... they cannot allow you to send a stored video or song because of API restrictions.
    Microsoft does seem to lock down the media stuff too tightly, though I can see their rationale for blocking song sharing. Sharing camera roll videos would be nice.
    09-18-2013 09:07 PM
  3. EpicIncognitO's Avatar
    Does anybody know why Opera isnt coming on Windows phone OS? Now I have enquired alot on this. Opera says as soon as Microsoft opens API's suitable for creating opera they will make opera for WP8 but Microsoft officials say that they have not stopped opera from any way and that is only an excuse. Can anyone help? I really miss opera on this os.
    09-18-2013 09:29 PM
  4. Adretheon's Avatar
    In reality, you can only focus on one window at a time on a desktop. What difference would it make if a file explorer window, or a Word document was frozen in the background while you were not using it? Yep, absolutely zilch.
    That's not really true though in reality. Explorer does do stuff when you aren't focused on it. If you are transferring files it still copies them over even if you start surfing the web. If you are playing a game windowed and alt-tab out it still runs.
    09-18-2013 09:45 PM
  5. a5cent's Avatar
    Does anybody know why Opera isnt coming on Windows phone OS? Now I have enquired alot on this. Opera says as soon as Microsoft opens API's suitable for creating opera they will make opera for WP8 but Microsoft officials say that they have not stopped opera from any way and that is only an excuse. Can anyone help? I really miss opera on this os.
    Don't know if this is reliable, but take a look.
    09-18-2013 10:45 PM
  6. AngryNil's Avatar
    That's not really true though in reality. Explorer does do stuff when you aren't focused on it. If you are transferring files it still copies them over even if you start surfing the web. If you are playing a game windowed and alt-tab out it still runs.
    I'm not saying that nothing actually happens, I'm saying that what needs to happen is more restricted than you think. Hence, why unlimited background processing may not be the right answer.

    Especially true for explorer. The pop-up for transfers is a specific subset of functionality that benefits from running in the background. That's something that can possibly be tackled in a limited way, just like how we have periodic tile updates, background downloads and uploads, etc. Of course, Windows Phone doesn't currently have a reason to have large file transfer, but in a hypothetical scenario that it did, it could be a background task that will be restricted in IO / processing, and can be paused / resumed from a notification centre.

    Singleplayer games could be frozen in the background with no repercussions; indeed, in many cases I wish they were. Point taken for multiplayer, though the performance hit there can be pretty significant and I'm not sure that will always make sense. Especially on portable devices, I'd like to see games move to a place where they can be put in the background, resort to a low-resource mode, then resume fairly quickly.
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    09-21-2013 02:54 AM
  7. marcomura's Avatar
    http://forums.windowscentral.com/win...8-android.html
    This is exactly what I meant when I said that the current WP environment is a killer for creativity and experimentation.
    How are people supposed to create innovative apps if the SDK is designed to allow you to do only common things?
    09-24-2013 03:40 PM
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