01-06-2014 08:58 AM
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  1. colinkiama's Avatar
    When i enable debug modes in certain app betas, I see available memory 130mb. And when I looked at how much 1gb apps use. Its 300mb. No wonder apps crash on 512mb. They don't even give the devs almost half the ram to develop apps. I feel that if this was pushed to maybe 230mb, devs would actually try to port games to 512mb devices. 130mb is wayy to small.
    12-22-2013 06:08 AM
  2. colinkiama's Avatar
    Vote here for this problem to be fixed : http://windowsphone.uservoice.com/fo...emory-to-230mb
    12-22-2013 06:11 AM
  3. foxbat121's Avatar
    The current windows kernel takes 230mb alone. You just can't push any more without sacrificing critical system operations. So would you like not receiving calls, messages or emails while use an app that requires large amount of memory?

    Hopefully, wp8.1 can further shrink the os footprint.

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
    12-22-2013 10:04 AM
  4. colinkiama's Avatar
    Then they should at least increase it to 200mb.
    12-22-2013 03:44 PM
  5. colinkiama's Avatar
    The current windows kernel takes 230mb alone. You just can't push any more without sacrificing critical system operations. So would you like not receiving calls, messages or emails while use an app that requires large amount of memory?

    Hopefully, wp8.1 can further shrink the os footprint.

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
    230+230= 460. 512-460= 52mb. Do you really think a phone call or notifications take more than 52mb?
    12-22-2013 03:52 PM
  6. Xellsama's Avatar
    Your phone would likely then lag like Android phones. Right now one of the strong point of Windows Phone is "it's fast and smooth", take that away and there'll be one less reason for people to switch over from Androids.
    12-22-2013 04:05 PM
  7. anony_mouse's Avatar
    The current windows kernel takes 230mb alone.
    Can that really be true? The kernel taking 230MB alone? That would be an extraordinary amount.
    I have an Android phone here with 256MB RAM. Yes, it's slow. Very slow. But it works and it will run most applications. Is WP seriously that inefficient?
    12-22-2013 04:40 PM
  8. colinkiama's Avatar
    End the fragmentation cycle. Vote here http://windowsphone.uservoice.com/fo...emory-to-230mb
    12-22-2013 06:01 PM
  9. foxbat121's Avatar
    Can that really be true? The kernel taking 230MB alone? That would be an extraordinary amount.
    It is from Microsoft themselves from one of the presentations in a developer conference. screenshot.png

    Consider this is almost the same kernel used by desktop Windows 8, 230MB is amazingly small already. But the API currently published cover probably very small portion of the functionality of the kernel. So, it is a waste in current form. Hopefully 8.1 will change that.
    Last edited by foxbat121; 12-22-2013 at 07:20 PM.
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    12-22-2013 07:09 PM
  10. Ali Assaedi's Avatar
    I remember back in the days, when I had win XP with the latest rams.. 256mb baby !

    And now double they amount ain't enough for a phone :S
    12-22-2013 07:19 PM
  11. xandros9's Avatar
    I remember back in the days, when I had win XP with the latest rams.. 256mb baby !

    And now double they amount ain't enough for a phone :S
    I remember when my old Palm m505 was equipped with... hold onto your hats!
    160x160 color display
    33 MHz processor!
    8 MB RAM that's split for storage AND RAM usage! (only 1 MB or so for RAM)
    and a week long battery life!
    and the brand-spanking-new Palm OS 4.0!

    I wonder where I put it...
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    12-22-2013 11:08 PM
  12. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Consider this is almost the same kernel used by desktop Windows 8, 230MB is amazingly small already. But the API currently published cover probably very small portion of the functionality of the kernel. So, it is a waste in current form. Hopefully 8.1 will change that.
    If these numbers are accurate, and really for the kernel, it calls into question whether WP is really suitable for low end devices. Some optimisation for smooth graphics is good, of course, but leaving so little spare memory for applications is very limiting.
    12-23-2013 04:25 AM
  13. Seketh's Avatar
    If these numbers are accurate, and really for the kernel, it calls into question whether WP is really suitable for low end devices. Some optimisation for smooth graphics is good, of course, but leaving so little spare memory for applications is very limiting.
    I would say it most certainly is suitable for low end devices, there's no other OS out there that performs as well as Windows Phone on lower end devices.

    So you have to wait for devs to properly optimize their code to run on 512MB. Is it better to wait a bit for a game to be available, or never be able to play a game like it happens on Android?
    12-23-2013 04:56 AM
  14. colinkiama's Avatar
    12-23-2013 05:07 AM
  15. anony_mouse's Avatar
    I would say it most certainly is suitable for low end devices, there's no other OS out there that performs as well as Windows Phone on lower end devices.

    So you have to wait for devs to properly optimize their code to run on 512MB. Is it better to wait a bit for a game to be available, or never be able to play a game like it happens on Android?
    I'm not a games player, but I see many complaints here about availability of games on 512MB WP devices, and unfavourable comparisons to Android where games seem to be more widely available even on cheap handsets. But I'm not speaking from experience, just what I read.

    I'm also not sure that WP performs better than iOS or Android on low end devices. I agree WP is generally smoother and responds more quickly. But as I've said here before, when you consider the following process:
    Step 0: User touches the screen to perform an action (e.g. touches web browser icon).
    Step 1: Phone responds in some way (e.g. displays loading screen, changes colour of icon).
    Step 2: Action completes (e.g. web browser is ready for use).

    Trying some cheap phones with similar specs side by side, I would say WP gets to step 1 more quickly than Android (well, at least at a more consistent speed), but is slower at getting to step 2. WP's huge memory requirements, if they really are true, may go some way to explaining this.

    Oh, and Android does run (slowly) on my 256MB phone. Judging by these numbers, WP won't. So in that respect, Android performs better (i.e. it works) on this very low end device than Windows.
    12-23-2013 06:23 AM
  16. colinkiama's Avatar
    It is from Microsoft themselves from one of the presentations in a developer conference. Click image for larger version. 

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    what i

    Consider this is almost the same kernel used by desktop Windows 8, 230MB is amazingly small already. But the API currently published cover probably very small portion of the functionality of the kernel. So, it is a waste in current form. Hopefully 8.1 will change that.
    where is this video from and what conference is it. I can't find it anywhere in build 2012
    12-23-2013 06:47 AM
  17. foxbat121's Avatar
    It is BUILD 2013.
    12-23-2013 08:14 AM
  18. realwarder's Avatar
    No one has mentioned that 640k is all you should need? 130MB is loads of memory!
    12-23-2013 09:18 AM
  19. realwarder's Avatar
    It is from Microsoft themselves from one of the presentations in a developer conference. Click image for larger version. 

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    Consider this is almost the same kernel used by desktop Windows 8, 230MB is amazingly small already. But the API currently published cover probably very small portion of the functionality of the kernel. So, it is a waste in current form. Hopefully 8.1 will change that.
    In this age of privacy violations, wouldn't you just love to know what those OEM Background Agents are... and how much they affect battery usage on a device. All it takes is one crappy AT&T/other developer to leave a bug and next thing you'd know their phones would have random battery life.
    12-23-2013 10:10 AM
  20. CageJ's Avatar
    Guys thats it for the original WP8.0, with GDR3 there are some improvments.. few megabytes for background from 12MB to 15MB in GDR3 etc. So this table is accurate no more. But its true that OS with drivers take about 280-320MB.
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    12-23-2013 10:15 AM
  21. colinkiama's Avatar
    Ive watched the video. The os takes waay to much memory compared to wp7. The max ram that can be used is 180mb. We will probably have a more efficient os in wp8.1. But they could still push it up to maybe 200mb.
    12-23-2013 12:32 PM
  22. gsquared's Avatar
    You get what you pay for.
    12-23-2013 04:28 PM
  23. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    No one has mentioned that 640k is all you should need? 130MB is loads of memory!
    That's because most people these days realize the 640k quote isn't entirely real. :P
    12-23-2013 07:07 PM
  24. colinkiama's Avatar
    Vote here for this problem to be fixed: http://windowsphone.uservoice.com/fo...emory-to-230mb
    12-24-2013 03:03 PM
  25. RustyU's Avatar
    Stop spamming that pointless link. Where do you expect them to magic this extra RAM from?
    tayfelix likes this.
    12-24-2013 03:44 PM
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