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  1. hopmedic's Avatar
    I used to see similar numbers when I used an el cheapo USB charger. But once I bumped up to a better USB 2A connector and better micro usb cable, it was much improved. When I get to work, I'm at about 98 percent.
    I'm using a Nokia DT-900 wired to my car, in a Frankensteined phone mount.
    01-01-2014 10:35 AM
  2. Sean Miller4's Avatar
    I don't keep a list of addresses that don't work cause they are customers addresses would be a violation of privacy, I am not talking about businesses cause those addressees don't update as often as residential, I have no reason to lie about this I use google every day because the site Is attached to my employers software, but it happens every single week. I don't know what people don't understand about bigger database, its on paper its physically has more streets than google, you can't argue this fact everybody knows, Nokia has their cities and countries listed and its much bigger than Google's database. I mean if google Is so good why don't more companies use their maps? Why would Garmin use Nokia as a supplier if google is so much better and isn't google free? I mean Garmin actually pays Nokia for this so your saying google being free has a bigger and more accurate database but Garmin chooses Nokia and loses money for inferior product. Just because google maps is like the go to for all the consumers who don't know better , doesn't mean professionals and mapping companies agree. Consumers get stuff wrong all the time and have no idea what is better because they pull their maps out once a month and the one time Nokia didn't have something they chalk that up as google is better. I use both on a daily basis Nokia is better has been forever and has been around much much longer than google. For accuracy.
    Kevin Rush likes this.
    01-01-2014 11:06 PM
  3. Angry_Mushroom's Avatar
    I've found HERE Maps to be perfectly fine for in city navigation. The built in GPS in my 810 is a nice bonus for the middle of nowhere jaunts. My biggest beef is the name change from Nokia Maps to HERE. In essence, pretty damn satisfied.
    tonybessette likes this.
    01-02-2014 03:44 AM
  4. ohgood's Avatar
    I don't keep a list of addresses that don't work cause they are customers addresses would be a violation of privacy, I am not talking about businesses cause those addressees don't update as often as residential, I have no reason to lie about this I use google every day because the site Is attached to my employers software, but it happens every single week. I don't know what people don't understand about bigger database, its on paper its physically has more streets than google, you can't argue this fact everybody knows, Nokia has their cities and countries listed and its much bigger than Google's database. I mean if google Is so good why don't more companies use their maps? Why would Garmin use Nokia as a supplier if google is so much better and isn't google free? I mean Garmin actually pays Nokia for this so your saying google being free has a bigger and more accurate database but Garmin chooses Nokia and loses money for inferior product. Just because google maps is like the go to for all the consumers who don't know better , doesn't mean professionals and mapping companies agree. Consumers get stuff wrong all the time and have no idea what is better because they pull their maps out once a month and the one time Nokia didn't have something they chalk that up as google is better. I use both on a daily basis Nokia is better has been forever and has been around much much longer than google. For accuracy.


    Addresses are public information. There was no accusation, just a request for addresses to test against different mapping sources and navigation applications.

    I was really hoping to test some stuff, instead of argue about which works better without testing.
    01-02-2014 06:40 AM
  5. dnomadic's Avatar
    Google Maps does not work well for users that don't like Android or Google.
    I understand that. But the request for information was from a former Android User, so I was providing my experience so the he is not shocked. GMAPs on Android coupled with Google Now (Or whatever the voice commands are called) has proven to be spectacular experience with me... Speak it and you are there....Lots of extra details on your route...beautiful interface once you are close to your destination, none of the pauses I get with here Maps (i have to come out of maps and re-enter information occasionally, this is not too often but has happened more than a few times)....
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    01-02-2014 07:33 AM
  6. dnomadic's Avatar
    One feature my Wife's Iphone has that I would love to see in "HERE" is "screen off" operation....During your travel, when there is a long stretch before next turn, the display will shutdown, then the phone awakes to provide timely navigation information. This saves on battery big time.... My 928 SUCKS BATTERY when using GPS (HERE or Waze (my favorite), even when connected to my Car charger....My wife's iPhone actually went from 80% to 100% on our trip to Philadelphia on New Years....It freakin' charged while using GPS....Where phones be doing that at (sorry for that last sentence, I keep hearing people say, where they do that at, and I think it is freakin' hilarious)
    tonybessette likes this.
    01-02-2014 07:39 AM
  7. tgp's Avatar
    My 928 SUCKS BATTERY when using GPS (HERE or Waze (my favorite)
    Google Maps sucked battery too in the early days. My cousin had an Android before I did and he complained about the battery losing charge with Maps running while plugged in.
    01-02-2014 09:19 AM
  8. hopmedic's Avatar
    I haven't had a problem with Here sucking my battery. While charging and navigating with either Here or CoPilot, my battery actually charges. While using Waze, it gets sucked dry.

    It is worth noting that different chargers charge at different rates, and if you're using a low-power charger (usually cheaper ones), that'll make a difference. I'm using a Nokia DT-900 Wireless Charging Plate that I've done a Frankenstein job of putting into a phone cradle.
    01-02-2014 09:29 AM
  9. dnomadic's Avatar
    I haven't had a problem with Here sucking my battery. While charging and navigating with either Here or CoPilot, my battery actually charges. While using Waze, it gets sucked dry.

    It is worth noting that different chargers charge at different rates, and if you're using a low-power charger (usually cheaper ones), that'll make a difference. I'm using a Nokia DT-900 Wireless Charging Plate that I've done a Frankenstein job of putting into a phone cradle.
    Thanks, I read that "Waze" sucked battery a few times in this thread... That may be my problem (not to mention my el Cheapo charger). I'll try a new charger first cause I like the service WAZE provides, I would hate to have to discontinue use due to it "KILLING" my battery.
    01-02-2014 09:46 AM
  10. hopmedic's Avatar
    I like Waze, but I uninstalled it because even using the Nokia charger, it's a huge battery suck. I've left them feedback suggesting they look at that.
    01-02-2014 09:48 AM
  11. dnomadic's Avatar
    Google Maps sucked battery too in the early days. My cousin had an Android before I did and he complained about the battery losing charge with Maps running while plugged in.
    VERY TRUE. some of my earlier phones (Looking at you HTC Thunderbolt) sucked juice with a "big straw". As Google refined the software maps did not draw nearly as much. Never was as efficient as Apple and their implementation of Maps and Navigation (although GMAP has been more accurate and up to date).
    01-02-2014 09:49 AM
  12. dnomadic's Avatar
    I like Waze, but I uninstalled it because even using the Nokia charger, it's a huge battery suck. I've left them feedback suggesting they look at that.
    DARN.... I'm going to follow suit...I'll leave a note for them. I traveled to NY from DC the Sunday before Christmas and my battery Literally died before I arrived (4-hr trip with Traffic). I suspect there is not much that can be done as I imagine the app is constantly communicating with their servers. I would be interested in seeing how much data is being used.
    01-02-2014 09:52 AM
  13. hopmedic's Avatar
    I checked the data use with Data Sense, and I was surprised at how little data it used, given how much battery it sucked. I figured that battery had to be going to data, but not so much. But speaking of data, it may use the offline Here maps, so that could be why less data was used than I expected. I don't recall if the maps were Here-looking or not.
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    01-02-2014 09:56 AM
  14. Sean Miller4's Avatar
    Unless i misunderstood and not trying to be rude, but you guys really have to use stuff more often before saying something is a problem, if you lock the screen on a windows device with the lock button and HERE maps is navigating the voice keeps going and it turns the screen off, nokia been doing this for years, its not something only iphone does. You can unlock it and resume where you left off and that way you save battery with the screen off you can also run other apps at the sametime and the voice keeps going. I'm not saying HERE interface is better than google just saying they are more accurate. And for the guy saying i'm argueing i'm literally telling you that i use both GOOGLE and hERE every single day and drive all day and HERE is more accurate what more testing do you need. I'm not a fanboy i just use what works. Nokia sells there product for profit google does not, nokia has more incentive to make better maps. Some of the limitations to HERE maps is due to windows at the moment. If anybody here ever use nokia maps back in the day some of them were the best interface around and most accurate they havent caught up int he windows platform they only been working on it a few years where the symbian one was refined over 10 years. But ya just lock the screen? unless thats not what your talkin about.

    Oh and PS mine does charge while using HERE i cant speak for WAZE, you might just need a bigger charger, actually it charges almost at normal speed with GPS on, HERE is really a battery sucker for me. But i havent used WAZE i dont use alot of the extra stuff i just need to get to where i'm going, since they both use the same maps i just use nokia cause its lighter.
    01-02-2014 12:07 PM
  15. ohgood's Avatar
    Unless i misunderstood and not trying to be rude, but you guys really have to use stuff more often before saying something is a problem, if you lock the screen on a windows device with the lock button and HERE maps is navigating the voice keeps going and it turns the screen off, nokia been doing this for years, its not something only iphone does. You can unlock it and resume where you left off and that way you save battery with the screen off you can also run other apps at the sametime and the voice keeps going. I'm not saying HERE interface is better than google just saying they are more accurate. And for the guy saying i'm argueing i'm literally telling you that i use both GOOGLE and hERE every single day and drive all day and HERE is more accurate what more testing do you need. I'm not a fanboy i just use what works. Nokia sells there product for profit google does not, nokia has more incentive to make better maps. Some of the limitations to HERE maps is due to windows at the moment. If anybody here ever use nokia maps back in the day some of them were the best interface around and most accurate they havent caught up int he windows platform they only been working on it a few years where the symbian one was refined over 10 years. But ya just lock the screen? unless thats not what your talkin about.

    Oh and PS mine does charge while using HERE i cant speak for WAZE, you might just need a bigger charger, actually it charges almost at normal speed with GPS on, HERE is really a battery sucker for me. But i havent used WAZE i dont use alot of the extra stuff i just need to get to where i'm going, since they both use the same maps i just use nokia cause its lighter.

    when you said one had dropped addresses, i wanted to try them in my tomtom that's never been updated vs updated tomtom, updated garmin, openstreetmaps, googlemaps, navtech stuff, osmand, oruxmaps, osmand, sygic, gmaps, etc

    the comparison from a three year old not-updated tomtom vs todays adress searches doesn't yield many missed addresses, for me. there are a few times when a route has an odd loop around a landmark, but it's rare.

    i'm not saying YOU don't find some, i just want to test the different mapping programs -i- have, and see if there are anomolies. :)
    01-02-2014 04:49 PM
  16. Sean Miller4's Avatar
    A couple of those you mentioned use Nokia already so they would be the same if they are updated, but different companies use different search criteria some have better searches than others, that doesn't mean the data isn't there just sometimes the program can't find it. The area I work has new developments every year, so 3 years old TomTom would definitely not work for me, I have to have the newest up to date GPS maps, Garmin will update theres pretty often but I believe they have to do there own stuff to the data that navteq provides first so it might be slower than HERE or google. HERE has been updated like 6 times this year? And I think twice on the maps themselves. Google updates constantly as well, I actually own an older TomTom mapping for PC also but its so far behind now and they used to charge a lot so I don't even mess with it last time I used one of those it was way out of date around here. Having my phone since HERE is free I use both google and HERE combined, between the 2 of them its like 98% of the time I can find it, there has been some instances that neither had it because it was like 3 months old development, but that's expected. But stuff less than 2 years old a lot of the time will either not come up in google and if it does sometimes its mapped wrong like in the wrong spot, maybe a couple blocks off, you wouldn't know it unless you actually drove there you can't tell on the map itself. That being said less than 2 years old hardly anything is accurate, but I think HERE edges google on accuracy and updates, google might be a little faster at updating the US cause its a US company where HERE is technically finish even though navteq I believe is HQ in Chicago. So I i'm sure Chicago it has great updates like every other company who does their hometown first. But i'm saying if you coming from google you should see just as good for with accuracy. Interface is not quite as good yet but it used to be so I know they will get there especially since they'll be more focused on maps without their devices dept.
    01-02-2014 04:58 PM
  17. jbjtkbw007's Avatar
    Here's my take on this...

    In September 2012, I was working a contract gig for Comcast. I had just completed a train-the-trainer in St. Paul, MN and my assignment placed me in Portland, OR for the next 2 months. When calculating my travel expenses to Oregon, on top of the fact that I've never visited the Pacific Northwest, I decided to drive from St. Paul to Portland. I had a Lumia 900 at the time and I used Nokia Maps (what it was called before changing to HERE! Maps) to get me from A to B. From what I remember from my Android device and Google Maps, you can get it to download your itinerary and cache it, but that doesn't really help when you decide to alter your course after the fact as I learned while traveling through West Virginia, where cellular signals can really get lost.

    Anyways, I plotted my course to Portland, but after I began my journey, decided I wanted to hit a casino, Mt. Rushmore, Yellowstone, and a few other places. Nokia's maps can be used 100% offline and driving through some of those remote areas and mountains was a dream! I lost data several times through Montana and Wyoming and South Dakota early on, but my navigation kept up thanks to gps and having all of my maps already downloaded. It was very refreshing not to have to 'guess' if I was going the correct way because my mapping application couldn't get my current course due to lack of cellular signal, which I can tell you first hand, was lost for miles at times (and when I say miles, I mean like 30 minutes or more).

    I'm not totally knocking Google Maps as I think it's still one of the better navigational systems, but I would take my HERE! maps any day on road trips, and I'm a HUGE fan of driving vs. flying. If you haven't made the plunge yet, I think you may be pleasantly surprised.
    01-03-2014 05:16 AM
  18. ag1986's Avatar
    I don't keep a list of addresses that don't work cause they are customers addresses would be a violation of privacy, I am not talking about businesses cause those addressees don't update as often as residential, I have no reason to lie about this I use google every day because the site Is attached to my employers software, but it happens every single week. I don't know what people don't understand about bigger database, its on paper its physically has more streets than google, you can't argue this fact everybody knows, Nokia has their cities and countries listed and its much bigger than Google's database. I mean if google Is so good why don't more companies use their maps? Why would Garmin use Nokia as a supplier if google is so much better and isn't google free? I mean Garmin actually pays Nokia for this so your saying google being free has a bigger and more accurate database but Garmin chooses Nokia and loses money for inferior product. Just because google maps is like the go to for all the consumers who don't know better , doesn't mean professionals and mapping companies agree. Consumers get stuff wrong all the time and have no idea what is better because they pull their maps out once a month and the one time Nokia didn't have something they chalk that up as google is better. I use both on a daily basis Nokia is better has been forever and has been around much much longer than google. For accuracy.
    umm, what? Please provide a few examples or links to prove your assertions.

    Try Lahore, Pakistan or Islamabad, Pakistan in HERE vs Gmaps. There is NOTHING. ZERO. It is a blank stretch of land with a highway running through it.

    Islamabad is a national capital. vs. Google who have proper roads, POIs, everything. Likewise Coimbatore, India, where I come from - much richer data in Google Maps.

    Please don't assert a USA centric view - the world is much much larger.

    Similarly,
    01-03-2014 06:10 AM
  19. prasath1234's Avatar
    Hey agree with previous reply of ag.yes as far as chennai is concern Google maps has best route option nd u can search for any place.l love it whereas Nokia maps does not have such elaborate info.sorry nokia u fail in most part of India.Google rocks in maps....

    Sent from my iris458Q using WPCentral Forums mobile app
    01-03-2014 07:53 AM
  20. Sean Miller4's Avatar
    Haha just i'm from the US doesnt mean i have a US centric view but i'm sorry google has about 50 LESS countries than nokia, so no google is not more accurate and does not have more data, they just chose to map countries that nokia was not mapping, i'm sure android is very popular in india compared to nokia so not in their best interest. Yes if you live in india then use google maps, the rest of world nokia is better and i'm not referring to just the US. 250 countries compared to like 190??? Its not even close.
    01-03-2014 08:09 AM
  21. Shishir Mukherjee's Avatar
    Well I have been using nokia maps in Punjab and it works like a charm and it gives me the correct data and accurate route even in offline mode. Mr Prasath1234 I seriously disagree with your comment google route in India sucks and this comment is coming from a previous android user. So please download offline maps from map settings
    01-03-2014 08:15 AM
  22. Sean Miller4's Avatar
    "Maps data[edit]

    Google Maps has difficulty processing ZIP code data when dealing with cross-boundary situations. For example, users are unable to obtain a route from Hong Kong to Shenzhen via Shatoujiao, because Google Maps does not display and plan the road map of two overlapping places.[123]

    Sometimes the names of geographical locations are inaccurate. An example of this type of error may be found in Google Maps Laona, Wisconsin. In this instance Google Maps identifies one of the town's two major lakes as "Dawson Lake";[124] the USGS, State of Wisconsin, and local government maps all identify that map feature as "Scattered Rice Lake".[125] Another example is Samoa, labeled with "Western Samoa", accurate only as recently as 1997.

    In 2011, Google Maps mislabeled the entire length of US Route 30 from Astoria, Oregon to Atlantic City, New Jersey as being concurrent with Quebec Route 366.[126]
    Google Maps - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Navteq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    01-03-2014 08:19 AM
  23. hopmedic's Avatar
    Fact is that no mapping solution will be best for every single person. It all depends on where you are and what the coverage is like for your area in a particular mapping solution. Without acknowleging this simple fact, this argument will go on forever.
    01-03-2014 08:43 AM
  24. ag1986's Avatar
    Haha just i'm from the US doesnt mean i have a US centric view but i'm sorry google has about 50 LESS countries than nokia, so no google is not more accurate and does not have more data, they just chose to map countries that nokia was not mapping, i'm sure android is very popular in india compared to nokia so not in their best interest. Yes if you live in india then use google maps, the rest of world nokia is better and i'm not referring to just the US. 250 countries compared to like 190??? Its not even close.
    Actually, India is one of Nokia's biggest markets. You would be wrong to assume that Android is more popular. In fact, many Indian companies and government orgs release their apps on all three platforms and occasionally even exclusively for WP - e.g. Indian Railways' app. I've owned 4 Nokia phones - my parents trusted only Nokia and refused to buy me any other phone.

    Where do you see that Navteq has 250 and Google maps has 190? I'm genuinely interested. I visited ten countries this year and in every use case (transit in Tokyo, London and Seoul, driving in California and Seattle, walking around in Amsterdam to name a few) I've found that POIs were far better with Google while accuracy of navigation was equal with Google having a slight edge because of better traffic estimations.

    Maybe it also comes down to how one uses a maps app. I rarely use it for driving, except when I'm in the USA. Otherwise it's more to discover places to eat or drink or whatever and there Google wins. You however seem to drive a lot and I can see how useful offline maps would be there.
    01-03-2014 08:55 AM
  25. Sean Miller4's Avatar
    Finding POI's can be done with any search engine and i already stated LONG time ago that google is better at that because at heart they are a search engine provider nokia/navteq is not. If you dont use maps to drive then i dont know why your even commenting, 90% of people use them for driving very few look into google maps just to find something to eat most use a search engine once they find the address THEN they use maps. And i would have to check on pakistan, navteq has no presence in japan so google wins there. I dont know anythign about inda what i'm saying is if you knew anything about navteq and its clearly stated on wikipedia and other places, google maps api is free, navteq is used by 85% of auto makers, and they pay handsomely for it, do you really think google being free woudlnt be a better choice if it was better? Navteq is known for being more accurate. If they dont have a presence in one country doesnt mean that overall their service is worse than googles. Like the other guy said yes certain areas google is better, its like cell service, but the question of who has moe data and who is bigger is navteq and its not up for debate its a fact. And i misquoted 250, as of a year or 2 ago navteq had 60 more countries than google, google has closed this gap to around 10, but adding 50 countries in 2 years you dont think there is going to be mistakes? navteq has a 20 year lead......
    Kevin Rush likes this.
    01-03-2014 09:18 AM
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