01-30-2014 10:43 AM
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  1. Boris Lozac's Avatar
    Just took a random picture of a calendar on the web, don't be silly, and yes, this is what you get when you type 'calendar' in google. I just want to see quickly what day it will be on the 26th for example.. That is more usefull for me then a Meetingar. And maybe when it flips, it shows your fake "meetings"?
    01-23-2014 01:28 PM
  2. borasar's Avatar
    And what is the purpose of that? it gives you no information, looks ugly as hell and defeats the purpose of a live tile.
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    01-23-2014 01:30 PM
  3. borasar's Avatar
    Just took a random picture of a calendar on the web, don't be silly, and yes, this is what you get when you type 'calendar' in google. I just want to see quickly what day it will be on the 26th for example.. That is more usefull for me then a Meetingar. And maybe when it flips, it shows your fake "meetings"?
    yeah that's certainly more useful than knowing what time commitments you have coming up LOL, the calendar tells you today's date and day of the week, unless you are looking weeks ahead, you don't even need to open the app to figure out what day of the week the 26th will be
    01-23-2014 01:33 PM
  4. Boris Lozac's Avatar
    The purposse is to have a CALENDAR on my homescreen, without opening an app for that, which is actually three or for clicks away on WP8.
    When it flips you can have your "Jennie's pillow party at 19:00" meetings..
    01-23-2014 01:34 PM
  5. Localhorst86's Avatar
    Yes, fake meetings like birthdays. Those of my fake friends and coworkers. Why would you need a calendar to figure out the 30th of a month is a Thursday? A month has a maximum of 31 days, it's way faster to just calculate the the day from the current day than to take out your phone and unlock the screen. Granted, I wouldn't know what weekday 13 of march would be, that's what you need a calendar for. But for this purpose you need to open the app anyways so no point of having it on the tile.

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    01-23-2014 01:38 PM
  6. borasar's Avatar
    The purposse is to have a CALENDAR on my homescreen, without opening an app for that, which is actually three or for clicks away on WP8.
    When it flips you can have your "Jennie's pillow party at 19:00" meetings..
    the point is, you argued that showing appointments is useless, when what you're proposing is significantly more useless.
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    01-23-2014 01:40 PM
  7. Boris Lozac's Avatar
    Not saying that, just that it shouldn't be called a calendar.
    01-23-2014 01:44 PM
  8. borasar's Avatar
    Not saying that, just that it shouldn't be called a calendar.
    equally as silly as saying who needs meetings
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    01-23-2014 01:50 PM
  9. James8561's Avatar
    The couple downsides I've noticed so far on the 520 are:

    1. Creating and editing a playlist was a nightmare. Looks like someone forgot a feature. There was a way to do it, but way harder on the windows phone than on the iphone.

    2. I liked how the voicemail worked on my iphone on Verizon as opposed to how I'm seeing it work on the 520 over the carrier I'm using. On the iphone it seemed as if the voice messages where downloaded to the phone and thus showed up individually and were easier to manipulate (play, delete). On the 520 I had to dial into a voicemail system and thus the experience was not as nice.

    Thanks,
    Nick
    #1 yea Microsoft is promising fixes with WP8.1
    #2 that feature is called Visual Voicemail. It works on my Lumia 920 on AT&T, exactly the same as on the iPhone you described.
    Nokia Lumia 520 Support & How-To Tutorials from AT&T
    Lumia 520 does have visual voicemail as shown above. Though I highly doubt that your current carrier doesn't use it therefore it will not appear. Also, VV requires data access (wifi won't work) so if you're not on a data plan it won't work.
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    01-23-2014 01:56 PM
  10. bsayegh's Avatar
    I don't know about the live tiles. I like the way you can lay them out. That is certainly a plus. Changing the size and all that is much better than having a standard widget size. Most of the info that I see from the tiles isn't all that useful (granted im on 7.8 so I might not have the same experience as everyone else).

    For texts it can be useful, but not as much for emails. Unless you have your phone set up to pull emails as they come, you will probably get multiple emails at once. Is there much use to being able to see a small fraction of the content of 1 out of 5 emails that you have received in the last hour? If you are concerned about your email, you are going to check it.

    The tiles are probably a lot more useful on something like a 1520. A large screen can make much better use of it. My phone is pretty big for a phone and I still can read much of the text its is trying to display. If I get a message, I might be able to get an idea of what someone said to me, but im going to have to open it. Maybe of full size tiles had some kind of automatic expand ability. Like if the text is too long (for a message, not so much an email where there could be a ton of info), it can expand. A text can only have a certain number of characters, so they should be able to figure out the limits to which a tile might need to expand. You wont want it that big all the time and you wont want it that big when you get a short text, but if you have al ong one, it would be nice to be able to see the whole thing.

    The tiles concept is cool, but underutilized. They could probably expand on it to make it much more useful.
    01-23-2014 03:22 PM
  11. jmshub's Avatar

    For texts it can be useful, but not as much for emails. Unless you have your phone set up to pull emails as they come, you will probably get multiple emails at once. Is there much use to being able to see a small fraction of the content of 1 out of 5 emails that you have received in the last hour? If you are concerned about your email, you are going to check it.
    I use my work email at the biggest tile size, and it works wonderfully for me. It's an Exchange account, so it pushes in nearly real time to my phone. I work in IT, so I get dozens of automated alert email messages a day. At a glance, I can see the name field, subject line and the first line of the email. It lets me know how often I need to click the icon to launch the email client. It shows me when it's a client or my boss that requires examination pretty quickly, or an automated alert from one of our systems.
    01-23-2014 04:36 PM
  12. worldspy99's Avatar
    Nick - post a screenshot here and folks will be more than happy to offer you tips to make your experience with the WP8 system better. This is from a Nexus 4 convert to Lumia series of phones. The fluidity and the intuitiveness of WP8 is what got me hooked on it. I also have an iPad running iOS7 and an iPod touch running iOS6. So I have experience with all three. It takes a little bit of adjustment but I think you will find ways to maximize the use from WP faster than Android or iOS. It now takes me longer to navigate through the other devices....also this is only my observation that I get fewer app crashes on WP compared to the other platforms but this is dependent on the apps one chooses to run - FYI - I have about 100+ apps installed and I use each one at least once a week.

    Take a screenshot | Windows Phone How-to (United States)
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    01-23-2014 07:45 PM
  13. manicottiK's Avatar
    The tiles concept is cool, but underutilized. They could probably expand on it to make it much more useful.
    The arrival of highly-popular apps may potentially be a thing that is hurting Live Tiles. I mean that a firm trying to protect its existing branding or app look and feel is going to prioritize cross-platform uniformity over doing platform-specific features like Live Tiles for Windows Phone. There's no way to carry such an idea back to an iOS and Android app. I'm not sure how to address this so that developers exploit the platform more.

    Our DrexelOne app has a very small target audience (our students, faculty, and staff). Because our web portal had no real "brand" when the mobile project started, we set about app development with only one major goal in mind: make the apps look native on each platform and exploit the platforms as best we could. As a consequence, the Android, BlackBerry, iOS, webOS, and Windows Phone apps all look different, but they each work just as their users expect because they work just like the built-in apps do. (The BB and webOS versions of our app are now withdrawn.)

    Had we been protecting an established "DrexelOne" brand, we'd have approached development differently. I wouldn't necessarily be using pivots or panoramas in my app since such controls don't exist outside of WP. We probably wouldn't have a Live Tile since iOS and Android icons don't change. We certainly wouldn't support secondary tiles because there no concept of an "app bookmark" in the other platforms.

    What will be important as we go forward as a community of users will be holding companies to a decent standard. Just as Android users can (and do) object when they're given an app that's obviously a port of an iOS UI, Windows Phones users are going to have to make it known which apps exploit the platform and which are "generic" in nature. This doesn't mean giving apps 1-star ratings for skipping one feature, but it may mean withholding some stars when developers ignore the capabilities that draw us to Windows Phone, and it must mean writing a review to go with the rating and explaining in the review why the app isn't a "good" or "great" one on Windows Phone. (Maybe we can make "fit for iOS only" an acceptable put-down phrase.)
    Last edited by manicottiK; 01-23-2014 at 08:21 PM.
    01-23-2014 08:05 PM
  14. jmshub's Avatar
    I agree with what you are saying, manicotti, but I think that is lazy programming, and I think it needs called out when it happens. I will down rate an app with no or poor live tile support.
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    01-23-2014 10:32 PM
  15. bilzkh's Avatar
    Live Tiles should evolve into "Smart Tiles."

    Basically, there should be a way for us to *interact* with the tiles in meaningful ways. For example, on my wide email or IM or social networking tiles, I should be able to *scroll* down new/unread content. Moreover, the content on those tiles should come off nice and neat, not this stupid cut-off business, i.e. "Hey dude did you see the koala fee[d her baby?]" we have now. Audio controls on audio apps would be nice; pause/play on video app tiles would be nice; a little microphone at the corner of every communications app for voice input would be nice...and so on.
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    01-23-2014 11:40 PM
  16. Chregu's Avatar
    Live tiles and the minimalistic design of Windows Phone sometimes just don't match.

    This can be easily seen on the message tile for example. It shows exactly the same information on small and on medium. If I really want an informative tile I have to use it in the largest form. There's just no advantage of the medium sized tile over the small one. And this is of course because a message preview would look ugly on a medium sized tile.

    The built in calendar is another example, it would just not match the other tiles design-wise if there were some useful information on it. Therefore we have to use an alternative app with enough information, but with a less appealing look.
    01-24-2014 05:27 AM
  17. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    01-24-2014 06:21 AM
  18. HaibaneReki's Avatar
    another awesome thread about homescreens and what one can achieve with both design and functionality of tiles - Post your Home Screen and Color Theme

    also, regarding the ongoing argument about whole-month calendar or meetingar or whatever - there's plenty of LOCKSCREEN widget apps to overlay the month "planning" calendar over your lockscreen wallpaper - like LockMix
    01-24-2014 07:16 AM
  19. manicottiK's Avatar
    ...the message tile...shows exactly the same information on small and on medium.
    It's true that Microsoft's standard "iconic template" only allows for a count in the small and medium sizes, but there are other template types available to independent developers. Microsoft has access to even more types, as shown by the calendar tile, which does show your next appointment in the medium size, and things like the Music and Games tiles.

    Sometimes users don't want more info. I just switched from a wide tile for email to a standard one because what I wanted was a big number staring at me when there's mail. I'm going to tap the email icon no matter who sent something. All I want is a notice that I need to do so -- the number lets me know if there's something big happening at work (generating lots of emails) or not. Making that "severity level indicator" number as big as possible was my motivation reverting to the medium size.

    Larger-screened devices will take some of the pressure off of use of wide tiles. And I wish that MS would create a 1.5x wide tile that displayed the same info as the 2x wide tile, but with less of the text showing (since there'd be less room.) This wouldn't impact developers because the tiles would remain "iconic tile templates". It would impact users because the user would need to cycle through four sizes when adjusting tiles. Is that a good idea? At what point is the number of choices/options more of a pain than a gain?

    [Added later] I just thought of a possible interesting idea. What if users could tap the resize button as they do now to cycle through the standard sizes OR if users could drag the resize button to select any size that's a whole number of small tiles in width and height? This super-flexible sizing would only be available for tiles based on the "iconic tile templates" because those are the only ones that don't have an image associated with them (image distortion or cropping could be bad). Maybe the text that's seen in the wide format is only visible when the tile is at least 3 small tiles wide???
    Last edited by manicottiK; 01-24-2014 at 08:22 AM.
    01-24-2014 08:07 AM
  20. manicottiK's Avatar
    ...there should be a way for us to *interact* with the tiles in meaningful ways...
    What you're describing is what some Android widgets provide. I don't see that coming to Windows Phone because of the UI element size limitations imposed by the interaction guidelines. Essentially, no buttons, checkbox, or other element that's supposed to be touchable can be smaller than 11mm (7mm for the object with a 2mm margin/gap around it).

    On a 4.5" device, the 3-column Start screen isn't available. I suspect that it's because the smallest tile size would be below the size limit, rendering it too small to be reliably used by a general audience (i.e., there'd be too many mis-taps of the other tiles around it).

    Such controls could "fit" in a wide tile, but they'd make interacting with the tile more challenging because the tile itself needs to remain touchable. Essentially, you'd have a button on top of a button with no "dead space" between them. Unless you made the tile itself non-reactive to touch and added another button for launching the app. Now, you'd have an OS with two fundamentally different kinds of tiles. I don't see MS doing that.

    That said, they're pretty bright folks and they might come up with something.
    01-24-2014 08:13 AM
  21. UncleGrandpa's Avatar
    I think the new Samsung G5 with its windows-like look is going to be a game changer for Android/Samsung (not that they need it). I'm not sure WP will be able to make any headway despite all the predictions that this year will be the year of WP. I'm not convinced. So are Tiles useful? Ask Samsung...I think you'll have your answer.
    01-24-2014 08:34 AM
  22. jmshub's Avatar
    I think the new Samsung G5 with its windows-like look is going to be a game changer for Android/Samsung (not that they need it). I'm not sure WP will be able to make any headway despite all the predictions that this year will be the year of WP. I'm not convinced. So are Tiles useful? Ask Samsung...I think you'll have your answer.
    HTC has a tiled style UI on the One as well. It is funny that everybody initially ripped on Windows Phone's UI, but everybody seems to be mimicking it these days. Samsung's UI looks like metro, but it doesn't have the functionality of metro. I think Google is trying to pull back on the UI changes, with Nexus branding, and the stock Android UI in the Moto phones. I wonder if Google will try to rein Samsung in over time.
    01-24-2014 11:17 AM
  23. bilzkh's Avatar
    It's true that Microsoft's standard "iconic template" only allows for a count in the small and medium sizes, but there are other template types available to independent developers. Microsoft has access to even more types, as shown by the calendar tile, which does show your next appointment in the medium size, and things like the Music and Games tiles.

    Sometimes users don't want more info. I just switched from a wide tile for email to a standard one because what I wanted was a big number staring at me when there's mail. I'm going to tap the email icon no matter who sent something. All I want is a notice that I need to do so -- the number lets me know if there's something big happening at work (generating lots of emails) or not. Making that "severity level indicator" number as big as possible was my motivation reverting to the medium size.

    Larger-screened devices will take some of the pressure off of use of wide tiles. And I wish that MS would create a 1.5x wide tile that displayed the same info as the 2x wide tile, but with less of the text showing (since there'd be less room.) This wouldn't impact developers because the tiles would remain "iconic tile templates". It would impact users because the user would need to cycle through four sizes when adjusting tiles. Is that a good idea? At what point is the number of choices/options more of a pain than a gain?

    [Added later] I just thought of a possible interesting idea. What if users could tap the resize button as they do now to cycle through the standard sizes OR if users could drag the resize button to select any size that's a whole number of small tiles in width and height? This super-flexible sizing would only be available for tiles based on the "iconic tile templates" because those are the only ones that don't have an image associated with them (image distortion or cropping could be bad). Maybe the text that's seen in the wide format is only visible when the tile is at least 3 small tiles wide???
    Microsoft should add what's needed to make 'Smart Tiles' possible. Though it'd be interesting if one can interact with specific tiles via air gestures.
    01-24-2014 03:24 PM
  24. nickdu's Avatar
    Nick - post a screenshot here and folks will be more than happy to offer you tips to make your experience with the WP8 system better.
    If I knew how to take a screen shot on a windows phone I might. I'm sure with just a little searching I can figure that out. However, the screen I was describing in my original post can be easily visualized. Three full width tiles, phone, email and messaging. That's it. However, after reading all the useful posts I've decided to change things around a bit and see what usefulness I can stumble upon.

    The one suggestion that should be useful to me is moving a contact, my wife, onto my start page. I don't have a picture of her so it just shows the name. I wanted a small tile and the full name, which I'm displaying as last name, first name didn't look too good. I figured if I specified the nickname as just her first name that the small tile might pick that up instead. It didn't. Unfortunately I had to change her contact to just use her first name.

    Thanks,
    Nick
    01-24-2014 04:30 PM
  25. Paul May's Avatar
    If I knew how to take a screen shot on a windows phone I might.
    Nick, hold the power button and the windows button together to take a screenshot. It will be saved in the pictures hub in the screenshot section.
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    01-24-2014 04:57 PM
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