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The lack of support from pretty much everyone and the future of Windows Phone
View Poll Results: Does the lack of support from third parties bother you?
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Nah. I could care less. I like WP8 just fine as is.
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A little.Companies dropping/refusing support for the platform disheartens me.
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Sometimes I feel like I'm pulling for the wrong team and I have strongly considered jumping ship.
- I've been a WP8 user for a couple of weeks only. I didn't exactly switch - I also have an iPhone and a Nexus 4 but the Lumia 920 has been my daily driver ever since I got it.
Yes, I miss some of the google apps on it (google+, for example), but up until yesterday, I was fine with the app situation. I now have a business trip coming up and I need to decide which phone I'm taking along.
What I need in terms of software isn't much: I simply require a flight tracking software that keeps me alerted about gate changes and delays. On android and iOS I use flighttrack for that. I was happy to find the same app for WP as well. I purchased it only to find out that it hasn't been updated since 2011 and that it lacks all functionality except the absolute bare minimum. It's essentially been abandoned by the developer.
This is the first time that it really hit me: WP doesn't seem to be going anywhere. There was a short-lived boom phase 2 1/2 years ago and many apps available today were hastily pushed on the market back then because the developers thought Microsoft had something going for themselves. Then they realized that adoption was glacial and stopped developing for the platform. I'm willing to bet that if you deleted those apps from the Market that haven't been updated in over a year or so, you'd end up with less than 10000. I mean - how many apps have been updated to use the new features WP8 offers? 100? I'd say definitely not more than 1000. That's desolation for you folks.- Share
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FinancialP likes this.01-12-2013 12:19 AMLike 1 - Share
- Here is my take:
I started with the IPhone when it first came out and was hip to the whole jailbreaking thing it was fun after a while and then it got boring, with the constant changing of firmwares. Most of my favorite apps were all from Cydia and the IPhone was still growing as a platform. I lasted with them for about a year, then I moved to blackberry and it was great at first. The fast email, the quick way of BBMing people and having my battery last literally all day was amazing along with the Blackberry Desktop. However, the slow bad internet was a pain, and all the new models looked the same and didn't change much also the apps were expensive (Believe Documents to Go was $30 and BeeJive was $20). Now here I am with Windows Phone. WP7 was good initially at first there was some lacking stuff but WP8 has addressed some issues. Yes, WP8 is not getting as many apps as the other platforms but your comparing established well known platforms to a new growing OS that just changed their SDK. When the other OSes were new and growing as well, they experienced the same growing pains. You all expect Rome overnight and it won't happen. It will take time and it will be harder to breach a scene that's already saturated.
I love WP8 for it's freshness and live tiles compared to the static icons of iOS and Android and I'm used to Windows after using their computers for the last 18 years. The fact is this Windows Phone has to build for awhile before they get their house. Will I be around, maybe depends on if Blackberry 10 swoops me back away. But as of right now I like what Windows is doing, they seem to have a plan and they have a good company in Nokia backing them up along with Samsung & HTC. If the Surface Phone is true then the only way to go is up. People who complain didn't do enough research, I always think before I act not act before I think.- Share
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bawboh86 likes this.01-12-2013 04:26 AMLike 1 - Share
- What I need in terms of software isn't much: I simply require a flight tracking software that keeps me alerted about gate changes and delays. On android and iOS I use flighttrack for that. I was happy to find the same app for WP as well. I purchased it only to find out that it hasn't been updated since 2011 and that it lacks all functionality except the absolute bare minimum. It's essentially been abandoned by the developer.
FlightAware | Windows Phone Apps+Games Store (United States)- Share
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Nataku4ca likes this.01-12-2013 05:16 AMLike 1 - Share
- The tell me feature didn't work on my car bluetooth (VW Jetta, 2012). Wondering if I did anything wrong?
It's definitely connected, and I activated speech recognition. My wife sent me a text message and there was only a vibration, no notification from my car whatsoever.01-12-2013 08:24 PMLike 0 - Coming from an iPhone I do miss few apps which are not available in any form on WP8... However, other aspects of WP8 and the phones themselves are pretty good, while the competition is either standing still or declining in quality over time (I am of course talking about Apple's recent products), so I will not be "giving up" on WP platform any time soon. I would, however, really like for MS to spend more $$$ on attracting most popular app developers to this platform (MS has plenty of $$$ to do that), as well as spend more time on further improving the OS itself (like adding in global display orientation lock, or proper notification center) in a shorter time period, this will attract more users which in turn will attract more independent app developers. MS succeeded in a gaming console market, they can do the same in a mobile market, they just need to be a little bit more "proactive" rather than waiting for app developers themselves to decide to provide WP versions of their apps...01-12-2013 10:35 PMLike 0
- Flightaware does the same thing, and it's free (updated last month).
FlightAware | Windows Phone Apps+Games Store (United States)01-13-2013 02:55 AMLike 0 - You said that you needed it to alert you of changing gates and delays, so that's why I suggested it. Didn't realize you need it to alert you of changing gates for flights in the future.01-13-2013 11:10 AMLike 0
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Sent from my RM-821_eu_euro2_224 using Board Express01-13-2013 12:08 PMLike 0 -
The moral of this story is simple. Stop expecting everything to be available day one, or even day 180. It took Android years to come out with a good market, even with Apple paving the way. The apps will come soon enough and all of those developers that have "ditched" the platform will come running back when WP8's market share increases. Patience everyone. The sky is not falling!
- Android Nexus user convert01-13-2013 05:14 PMLike 0 - Anyone that types M$ = ability to be taken seriously lost
The moral of this story is simple. Stop expecting everything to be available day one, or even day 180. It took Android years to come out with a good market, even with Apple paving the way. The apps will come soon enough and all of those developers that have "ditched" the platform will come running back when WP8's market share increases. Patience everyone. The sky is not falling!
- Android Nexus user convert01-13-2013 06:23 PMLike 0 - Its the success or failure of Windows 8 and RT that are going to determine things in my view. If they catch on, developers will write for them and it would then be very easy for them to port to Windows Phone. If Windows 8 goes the way of Vista, then WP is in trouble.01-13-2013 06:33 PMLike 0
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- What does Windows 8 have to do with WP8??? If you mean the built-in "Windows Store" in Windows 8 - it WILL fail, it was a failure since the beginning because there's no need for this on desktop OS. People on Windows desktop OSes are too accustomed to download their programs/games from other sources (mostly directly from developers who are not forced to pay unneeded "Microsoft tax" for distribution of each of their paid program/game), and companies like Electronic Arts and Valve already have their own software distribution platforms, both of which are superior to "Windows Store" and which can still be used in Windows 8, not to mention many PC users still prefer (for whatever reason) to purchase their programs/games on physical media. I have Windows 8 installed and I did browse the "Windows Store" once or twice... Didn't see anything useful there for the reason I stated above and because desktop's web browser is much easier to use for most of the tasks (I don't even use dedicated e-mail programs on my laptops or desktops, same goes for Facebook and everything else which can be accessed using a web browser).01-13-2013 07:33 PMLike 0
- Give the guy a break! "M$" was around long before there was WP8 (or WP7 for that matter and maybe even WM).01-13-2013 07:35 PMLike 0
- I think the statement that it's difficult to develop for WP8 or that you can't build quality apps for WP8 is silly. There are plenty of great high-quality apps for WP8 and as an iOS developer who is now delving into WP development I can tell you iOS development is worse. Any suggestions otherwise is simply based on a lack of knowledge.
As for WP8 losing support, trust me, MS is 100% behind WP8 and will guarantee it succeeds. WP8 is a key component of MS's architectural vision and MS isn't about to let it fail. Remember a dark-horse gaming system called the XBox? It lost the first round to the PS2 and people made the same complaints about it. No developers, no quality games, etc. Yet MS kept pushing it and cajoled and paid developers to back it. Now look at the 360; it puts thing into perspective. I'm not trying to compare smart phones to game consoles, but the situation is the same. MS has a platform it is committed to and won't let it fail. If it needs to entice game devs, trust me, it will.
Not that I think the situation is dire at all anyway; new carriers are jumping on board and manufacturers are clamoring to meet the big WP global demand. The WP8 market share is growing and developers will surely follow.- Share
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Nataku4ca likes this.01-13-2013 08:33 PMLike 1 - Share
- What does Windows 8 have to do with WP8??? If you mean the built-in "Windows Store" in Windows 8 - it WILL fail, it was a failure since the beginning because there's no need for this on desktop OS. People on Windows desktop OSes are too accustomed to download their programs/games from other sources (mostly directly from developers who are not forced to pay unneeded "Microsoft tax" for distribution of each of their paid program/game), and companies like Electronic Arts and Valve already have their own software distribution platforms, both of which are superior to "Windows Store" and which can still be used in Windows 8, not to mention many PC users still prefer (for whatever reason) to purchase their programs/games on physical media. I have Windows 8 installed and I did browse the "Windows Store" once or twice... Didn't see anything useful there for the reason I stated above and because desktop's web browser is much easier to use for most of the tasks (I don't even use dedicated e-mail programs on my laptops or desktops, same goes for Facebook and everything else which can be accessed using a web browser).01-13-2013 08:58 PMLike 0
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The M$ notation is meant to label Microsoft for some good for nothing, greedy, ******* company. Its intentionally negative in its use. Which very easily implies the posters general thoughts and view of Microsoft are negative. If one wants to be taken seriously, then one should not taint there remarks with obviously bias notations.
Its practically the same as coming on this forum with a screen name of "MicrosoftHater"01-13-2013 09:04 PMLike 0 - While that is all well and good, what I find for apps like that is that I can then receive push notifications about stuff. For example, with Skype messages, I get a visual notification on the top right of my screen (that ALWAYS gets my attention no matter where on the screen I am looking), that encourages me to click the notification, it takes me to Skype and the message at hand (I think it does anyway, it definitely loads the app). For me, that is simpler and more engaging than trying to keep track of everything. I like a central toast notification system. But YMCA (Your Mileage Can Alter, or that bloody catch Village People song).
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Nataku4ca likes this.01-13-2013 09:12 PMLike 1 - Share
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Apps like these are very useful and certainly more convenient than what you suggested.01-13-2013 09:54 PMLike 0 - Or, with package tracker, I don't have to scrounge through emails everytime I want to check the status. Plus, I can put multiple packages from different carriers and orders in one place. Plus, like noted above, I get notifications pushed to me.
Apps like these are very useful and certainly more convenient than what you suggested.
Android succeeded perfectly without Google adding in any absolutely redundant PC "apps" or stand-alone PC programs, so can WP8 :-P01-14-2013 05:01 PMLike 0
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