05-25-2013 11:59 AM
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  1. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    I currently came over from blackberry after 5 years. There's a lot of stuff that the l920 excels at which are social media and the me tile which is a great way to post to various networks. I also really enjoy the email layout as well as the integration with SkyDrive and one note. Where it truly fails is the lack of notifications and how it puts communication not at the forefront. In all honesty, because of this, I may end up going back to blackberry in the fall. I really hate missing communication and feel disconnected all the time. I need that red light again.
    There's notifications in the sense that if your phone is asleep, a toast (banner) will wake up and display the message. Personally I hate this since its an intrusion for all to see. Also i keep my phone on silent so if I'm out of the room and I get a message, I never know until I turn on the device to see. Hence, the missing of a light notification is a huge fail. If you don't have a live tile near the top of your screen, you will also not see any notifications until you scroll over to that tile. Why they don't have a unified notification centre is mind boggling. But i know it will be coming soon so that's a relief.
    There's not enough room on the homescreen to get all notifications. You get a maximum of 6 specifically chosen ones you want which is ridiculous considering there's often corporate and personal email accounts (separated icons), calls, skype, facebook, twitter, linkedin, text messages, whatsapp.. .the list goes on and to not to able to see all the notifications instantly is a fail. Sure there's the live tiles but unless you place them near the top where you can read them, they can easily get lost as well. Secondly, if you don't have a live tile, you would never know about the notification (if it wasn't placed on the lock screen). The home screen shouldn't be set as 6 specific chosen icons..it should just have any notification that come in. At the end of the day it still works, but like i mentioned before, wp8 does not put communication first. I frequently miss messages for hours.

    But i will say, the email panes with "unread, tagged, urgent" is an incredible feature that i commend wp8 for implementing. Their integration with Skydrive backing up photos and videos is amazing. I also am impressed with One Note integration like the poster above. I constantly make lists and notes on my computer (as well as the One Note web app in skydrive) and it perfectly syncs with One Note on the phone. Great feature! I've ditched DropBox as a result.
    I was referring to the Lock screen, not the home screen..my mistake! I definitely agree you can put all your notifications at the top of your homescreen if i wanted. I don't use Skype all that often, so i don't bother placing it near the top of my screen. If i do get a message though, it would be sometimes hours before i notice it. I guess that's my own fault obviously. I just think that there should be a central location for all notifications. I would say the lock screen would have been the best if there was unlimited number of notifications on it. (or least not restricted to the 6 i've chosen to be notified on). It just be all of them. I know that they're working on a better solution in the next update so i'm sure i'll be satisfied by whatever they do. I really wished they made use of the windows button on the bottom and turned it into a notification light. That would be ideal. On my blackberry i had customized colour notification lights for certain apps and as well as even certain individuals. The customization on notifications was amazing since i didn't even need to look at the phone and i would know exactly who it was or what app it was. I guess it's a small trade off for the things that microsoft/nokia have been able to do.
    I think you are confusing yourself between notification and communication! WP8 lacks led notifications and central notification tile/centre. But WP8 doesn't lack communication. For communication WP8 has the following integrated into the OS:

    1. Facebook
    2. Skype Chat
    3. LinkedIn
    4. Facebook Chat
    5. Twitter
    6. Outlook
    7. Hotmail
    8. Gmail
    9. Yahoo
    10. Any other emails
    11. Text
    12. Calls


    And apps:


    1. Whatsapp
    2. Viber
    3. Line
    4. WeChat
    5. IM+
    6. Kik
    7. Itsdagram
    8. Flyby


    All these are forms of communication that can be used on WP8. I may have missed out a few. Nearly 20 ways to communicate to someone and you think "WP8 fails in communication"?

    What WP8 doesn't do is "put notifications first" which is what you want. WP "puts people first". If you understood how WP is designed and what its philosophy is, you may be at peace with yourself. Put people who matters to you first. Pin them. You will see how much convenient that is. Pin your email clients on top. Pin your chat clients. It doesn't take up the whole screen with 3 sizes of icons.

    You won't get a LED notification on any WP8 but you won't get live tiles on any BB either. It's trade-off, a good one.
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    05-24-2013 05:03 AM
  2. 12Danny123's Avatar
    I think I saw a video on phonedog showing the lumia 925 start button was blinking. Doesnt that mean WP has LED notifications? I wasn't charging because there was no charger or wireless charging pad. So its very possible its a LED light
    Last edited by 12Danny123; 05-24-2013 at 05:26 AM.
    05-24-2013 05:12 AM
  3. CaptDjob's Avatar
    I think I saw a video on phonedog showing the lumia 925 start button was blinking. Doesnt that mean WP has LED notifications? I wasn't charging because there was no charger or wireless charging pad. So its very possible its a LED light
    Yes, WP has support for notification light.
    05-24-2013 05:36 AM
  4. pmich's Avatar
    I think you are confusing yourself between notification and communication! WP8 lacks led notifications and central notification tile/centre. But WP8 doesn't lack communication. For communication WP8 has the following integrated into the OS:

    1. Facebook
    2. Skype Chat
    3. LinkedIn
    4. Facebook Chat
    5. Twitter
    6. Outlook
    7. Hotmail
    8. Gmail
    9. Yahoo
    10. Any other emails
    11. Text
    12. Calls


    And apps:


    1. Whatsapp
    2. Viber
    3. Line
    4. WeChat
    5. IM+
    6. Kik
    7. Itsdagram
    8. Flyby


    All these are forms of communication that can be used on WP8. I may have missed out a few. Nearly 20 ways to communicate to someone and you think "WP8 fails in communication"?

    What WP8 doesn't do is "put notifications first" which is what you want. WP "puts people first". If you understood how WP is designed and what its philosophy is, you may be at peace with yourself. Put people who matters to you first. Pin them. You will see how much convenient that is. Pin your email clients on top. Pin your chat clients. It doesn't take up the whole screen with 3 sizes of icons.

    You won't get a LED notification on any WP8 but you won't get live tiles on any BB either. It's trade-off, a good one.
    I totally agree with you that there's several methods of communication on wp8 like you mentioned above. I'm still referring to the notification system lacking. For all the apps that require notifications (and there's too many to count eg. email clients, whatsapp, texts etc), i have to use all the space at the top of my Screen which as i mentioned before isn't ideal. There's apps such an Skype which i rarely use but i recently received a notification for but it was hours before i realized it had come in. It's because that tile was placed in the middle/bottom of the screen. What i'm suggesting is that all notifications (not limited to 6) should be present on the lock screen. I shouldn't have to pick and choose which 6 show up on the lock screen. I also have to hit the lock screen button, swipe up, enter my password (as required by my work) just to see what other notifications i have. Doing this 30-40 times a day gets annoying ..Hence, why getting all notifications on the lock screen is important.. They'll be fixing this in the next update anyways so i'll be fine by then.

    On another note, your mention of how wp8 puts "people" first is right on point. I do love that feature and i have selected group tiles of friends and coworkers which makes interacting with them amazing. Being able to see all recent communication with them and posting to social networks which is integrated through out the OS is why i love wp8 so much.
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    05-24-2013 08:39 AM
  5. chezm's Avatar
    Yes, WP has support for notification light.
    does anyone know if its exclusive to the newer Lumia's, or all have this feature thats secretly hidden??
    05-24-2013 09:46 AM
  6. raacut's Avatar
    The failure to take any sort of critisism on WP8 is probably the most harmful thing to happen to this lovely platform. You actually had someone arguing that its fine to have all your notifications have the same sound. http://forums.windowscentral.com/win...ion-sound.html

    I absolutely love the UI , its fluid and lag free. The build of the Lumia 920 in particular is absolutely breathtaking.

    But please , stop acting like its the most feature rich platform out there. I still don't get push notifications from Facebook and i'm not the only one. Notifications as the person above me said should be on the lock-screen. All of them should be. Having to unlock your phone to find out if you got a notification or not, is annoying.
    You cant set custom tones ( have to choose from stock) for IM and sms either. And the notification that you choose will be the same across all notifications ( viber , whatsapp , wechat , sms , etc).

    Other things that bother me :-

    No lock screen orientation (people say its application specific but even stock email , sms , people etc apps dont have it)
    No universal search in the phone.
    No sound profiles for your phone . And every time you have to toggle vibrate u have to do it from settings.
    I kind of got use to the no LED notification , but its definitely something i miss from my old Symbian phone.

    call a spade a spade
    05-24-2013 10:04 AM
  7. robert_in_la's Avatar
    I just wanted to add something here. As much as I really like my Lumia 920 - Windows 8 doesn't allow you to attach a PDF to an email. Yes you can forward an email with a PDF attached but you can't write a fresh email and attach a PDF from your phone. Microsoft did add a feature a couple of months ago that allows you to send a PDF in an email as a link to your Sky Drive account but it's not a proper attachment.

    Personally I find this to be really bad. There are many times someone will send me an email with a PDF attached and I don't want to forward the contents of the email, just the PDF. In the past on my BB or Android phone I would download the PDF to my phone and attach it to an new email. With Windows you can't do that.

    Honestly I am not sure how Microsoft keeps overlooking something as simple as this. When I brought it up to my friend who works up in Redmond he was surprised it couldn't do it. Not to mention so where the tech guys at the Microsoft Store in Century City.
    05-24-2013 11:13 AM
  8. robert_in_la's Avatar
    I agree. Criticism shouldn't be taken personal - the information or should I say view point on has might be truly valid which could benefit / make the OS of whatever device it is better the underlying using. People shouldn't be put down or attacked for it.

    Regarding the non-LED notification, as much as I liked it I personally find the UI impressive enough to overlook not having the LED notification. Albeit I use my phone for work I don't mind taking a break from being a slave to the damn thing and not having the LED allows me to relax a bit!
    Last edited by Robert Keyghobad; 05-25-2013 at 11:37 AM.
    05-24-2013 11:23 AM
  9. juanitoriv's Avatar
    I just wanted to add something here. As much as I really like my Lumia 920 - Windows 8 doesn't allow you to attach a PDF to an email. Yes you can forward an email with a PDF attached but you can't write a fresh email and attach a PDF from your phone. Microsoft did add a feature a couple of months ago that allows you to send a PDF in an email as a link to your Sky Drive account but it's not a proper attachment.

    Personally I find this to be really bad. There are many times someone will send me an email with a PDF attached and I don't want to forward the contents of the email, just the PDF. In the past on my BB or Android phone I would download the PDF to my phone and attach it to an new email. With Windows you can't do that.

    Honestly I am not sure how Microsoft keeps overlooking something as simple as this. When I brought it up to my friend who works up in Redmond he was surprised it couldn't do it. Not to mention so where the tech guys at the Microsoft Store in Century City.
    Just started a thread on this:

    Emailing/sharing PDFs
    05-24-2013 11:24 AM
  10. CaptDjob's Avatar
    does anyone know if its exclusive to the newer Lumia's, or all have this feature thats secretly hidden??
    Umm, i dont think it has anything to with Lumias. But for example in 920 there is no led to blink.
    05-24-2013 11:32 AM
  11. wcrandall's Avatar
    I just wanted to add something here. As much as I really like my Lumia 920 - Windows 8 doesn't allow you to attach a PDF to an email. Yes you can forward an email with a PDF attached but you can't write a fresh email and attach a PDF from your phone. Microsoft did add a feature a couple of months ago that allows you to send a PDF in an email as a link to your Sky Drive account but it's not a proper attachment.

    Personally I find this to be really bad. There are many times someone will send me an email with a PDF attached and I don't want to forward the contents of the email, just the PDF. In the past on my BB or Android phone I would download the PDF to my phone and attach it to an new email. With Windows you can't do that.

    Honestly I am not sure how Microsoft keeps overlooking something as simple as this. When I brought it up to my friend who works up in Redmond he was surprised it couldn't do it. Not to mention so where the tech guys at the Microsoft Store in Century City.
    Ok so this could be a problem. I work in a design and engineering environmemnt I am on jobsights contantly and I get PDFs all the time that need to be sent out to customers. So from what you are saying its no problem to forward the email with the PDF, but I can not just save a native PDF to the phone then attach it to a new email? if thats the case then its a problem for me. that does seem like a simple process, I wouldn't have even thought about that if you didn't bring it up. I was able to do that on Android and currently on Blackberry 10 its not an issue. hmmm something to think about.
    05-24-2013 11:39 AM
  12. robert_in_la's Avatar
    Ok so this could be a problem. I work in a design and engineering environmemnt I am on jobsights contantly and I get PDFs all the time that need to be sent out to customers. So from what you are saying its no problem to forward the email with the PDF, but I can not just save a native PDF to the phone then attach it to a new email? if thats the case then its a problem for me. that does seem like a simple process, I wouldn't have even thought about that if you didn't bring it up. I was able to do that on Android and currently on Blackberry 10 its not an issue. hmmm something to think about.
    Yes, that's exactly what I am saying - you can download the native PDF but you "can not" attach it to a new email.

    Again the techs at the Microsoft Store and my buddy who is an executive at Microsoft where all "surprised by this" - of which they did confirmed to me later that it is not available at this time... and that was 5 months ago since I first approached them.
    05-24-2013 11:45 AM
  13. robert_in_la's Avatar
    Just started a thread on this:

    Emailing/sharing PDFs
    I saw it after my post... again I was just sharing it so that the people who are thinking about the differences between the two platforms are aware of this In all honestly I love my phone and I am very happy with it but I might have to switch to something else as its starting to be come a time consuming issue since I don't work from an office all the time.
    05-24-2013 11:52 AM
  14. 12Danny123's Avatar
    does anyone know if its exclusive to the newer Lumia's, or all have this feature thats secretly hidden??
    In my opinion No. The HTC 8X has a LED notification. That's just Nokia's way of implementing it. HTC can expand there's through an update. But there were rumours it was part of GDR2
    05-24-2013 12:40 PM
  15. juanitoriv's Avatar
    05-24-2013 02:42 PM
  16. cgk's Avatar
    I find it slightly bizarre that people are still claiming that there is no demand or need for a notification centre when Microsoft themselves planned to add one but simply ran out of time.
    05-24-2013 04:00 PM
  17. ChemEngr's Avatar
    Other things that bother me :-

    No lock screen orientation (people say its application specific but even stock email , sms , people etc apps dont have it)
    No universal search in the phone.
    No sound profiles for your phone . And every time you have to toggle vibrate u have to do it from settings.
    I kind of got use to the no LED notification , but its definitely something i miss from my old Symbian phone.

    call a spade a spade
    I agree with your assessment of WP8. There are several missing features that I've gotten used to with other platforms. Although for me, the UI and design philosophy somewhat fits my style. WP designers did get some things perfectly right for me.

    And the reason for this truncated quote, I wanted to pass along a tip for an easier way to switch to vibrate/silent. When waking the phone and while at your lockscreen, press the volume button, then tap the bell. This will switch to silent or vibrate depending on the vibrate toggle you have in settings. Although, I would suggest to MS that repeatedly tapping the bell should cycle between ring+vibrate, vibrate, and silent.

    Lastly, I've been a smartphone user a very long time. I have to say that WP has a lot of merits along with faults. But I will be sticking with MS's platform for a long time and give them a chance to grow.
    05-24-2013 04:13 PM
  18. cgk's Avatar

    And the reason for this truncated quote, I wanted to pass along a tip for an easier way to switch to vibrate/silent. When waking the phone and while at your lockscreen, press the volume button, then tap the bell. This will switch to silent or vibrate depending on the vibrate toggle you have in settings. Although, I would suggest to MS that repeatedly tapping the bell should cycle between ring+vibrate, vibrate, and silent.
    I think that is what he meant - drives me bonkers along with the podcast limitations (or at least did, went back to android this evening).
    05-24-2013 05:03 PM
  19. raacut's Avatar
    And every time you have to toggle vibrate u have to do it from settings.

    How is this not clear ? why does everybody give the tap the volume button then tap the bell solution to this ? THAT DOES NOT TOGGLE VIBRATE !

    If the vibrate was on in settings then u can switch between siltent+vibrate and Ringer+vibrate. If the vibrate was off in settings then you can switch between silent and ringer. I dont understand how my statement that you cannot toggle vibrate quickly always gives the tapping the bell solution.

    It happens so often , its not even funny anymore..........
    05-25-2013 07:04 AM
  20. cgk's Avatar
    Expanding on what I said earlier about going back to Android - for me, any OS choice is hard for others to make for you because everyone has their own usage... with that said, here's why I want back to android after 2 years on WP - it's usability against usefulness - I prefer the look and feel of WP over android which I still think is pretty ugly and confusing and I'd actually still recommend WP over android to most users (just got my father-in-law a 520) because it is much more fluid than android...

    but I find android far more useful to what I actually do - for a range of reasons - those include but are not limited to:

    1) Smart actions - I can set office hours in android, so email and other things simply shut down at certain times - on WP, I had to keep going into the settings and switching email from push to manual, or turn data off or some other fudge.

    2) I can download podcasts where ever and whenever - this isn't a deal breaker for a lot of people but I travel a lot and pod-casts keep me sane - on WP unless I'm plugged in and on Wifi I can't do that.

    3) I'm a gmail user - yes people say swop to outlook but I don't want to - I can't beat the gmail experience on a WP device

    4) Even more generally - I can't whitelist email addresses to allow images?

    5) Too many hidden settings that you have to go into settings to toggle on and off

    6) I can cycle Volume >>> Vibrate >>> Silent and back without having to decide between Silent OR vibrate

    7) Screen rotation lock I can control

    8) Notification centre - yes I know live tiles have their place but I found half the time they simply didn't update and before someone claims a notification centre isn't need, even Microsoft thinks it is - they simply ran out of time. If you are happy with live tiles, great but it wasn't enough for me.
    05-25-2013 11:33 AM
  21. robert_in_la's Avatar
    Expanding on what I said earlier about going back to Android - for me, any OS choice is hard for others to make for you because everyone has their own usage... with that said, here's why I want back to android after 2 years on WP - it's usability against usefulness - I prefer the look and feel of WP over android which I still think is pretty ugly and confusing and I'd actually still recommend WP over android to most users (just got my father-in-law a 520) because it is much more fluid than android...

    but I find android far more useful to what I actually do - for a range of reasons - those include but are not limited to:

    1) Smart actions - I can set office hours in android, so email and other things simply shut down at certain times - on WP, I had to keep going into the settings and switching email from push to manual, or turn data off or some other fudge.

    2) I can download podcasts where ever and whenever - this isn't a deal breaker for a lot of people but I travel a lot and pod-casts keep me sane - on WP unless I'm plugged in and on Wifi I can't do that.

    3) I'm a gmail user - yes people say swop to outlook but I don't want to - I can't beat the gmail experience on a WP device

    4) Even more generally - I can't whitelist email addresses to allow images?

    5) Too many hidden settings that you have to go into settings to toggle on and off

    6) I can cycle Volume >>> Vibrate >>> Silent and back without having to decide between Silent OR vibrate

    7) Screen rotation lock I can control

    8) Notification centre - yes I know live tiles have their place but I found half the time they simply didn't update and before someone claims a notification centre isn't need, even Microsoft thinks it is - they simply ran out of time. If you are happy with live tiles, great but it wasn't enough for me.
    You have some valid points, especially about having to go into settings to do some simple tasks. For myself I find Gmail to be a bit of mess after switching to exchange (did this once I found out Gmail was no longer allowing new accounts, without paying, to use active synch). Honestly I prefer BB and how they manage emails... but using the setup I have now is totally seamless - which includes my Gmail as I am grandfathered in with actives synch which albeit I barely use anymore.
    05-25-2013 11:45 AM
  22. cgk's Avatar
    I have an exchange account as well - but that works fine on android so the switch wasn't an issue in that sense.
    05-25-2013 11:59 AM
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