08-14-2013 07:20 PM
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  1. paulxxwall's Avatar
    So what we're waiting on is if att okay the firmware? And if its not ok???? No update for att customers ? Really? Or is it bs because there's no difference in carrier and non carrier phones at least I don't see it so if Nokia was able to release it on there web site im sure it was tested by Nokia and if they released it it should be ok for all because if it were not ok Nokia would have not put the update out period !!!
    08-14-2013 06:06 AM
  2. Skynetz's Avatar
    I was now chatting with nokia support chat and they told me that they don't have a release date for now and that the only thing they know for now is Q3.
    Rob van Uden likes this.
    08-14-2013 07:31 AM
  3. a5cent's Avatar
    So what we're waiting on is if att okay the firmware? And if its not ok????
    Basically, yes, if at&t are ok with firmware+OS. If it is not ok, then nobody at at&t gets the update.

    However, it sounds like you are vastly underestimating the complexity of these devices. The UI you are able to "see" comprises less than 2% of the entire OS. There are some differences in the 98% that you don't see! On the other hand, this process is as much about politics and power as it is about anything technical...

    It's a very inelegant process.
    08-14-2013 07:39 AM
  4. desitunez's Avatar
    I saw an article on GSMArena saying the same thing.... Now the question is, how much time the carriers will test and then release it.....
    Update Cycle has changed from memory , its Microsoft and then Nokia >> then carrier > then nokia to release.
    08-14-2013 08:36 AM
  5. paulxxwall's Avatar
    Basically, yes, if at&t are ok with firmware+OS. If it is not ok, then nobody at at&t gets the update.

    However, it sounds like you are vastly underestimating the complexity of these devices. The UI you are able to "see" comprises less than 2% of the entire OS. There are some differences in the 98% that you don't see! On the other hand, this process is as much about politics and power as it is about anything technical...

    It's a very inelegant process.
    obviously the update is ok or else the would not be shipping these new device with the already installed ex.1020,925etc so guess what ? The update is good and good enough for att because if it weren't the 1020 would not have shipped especially if there was an.issue with the update
    08-14-2013 09:35 AM
  6. Jonathan Piferrer's Avatar
    I think we should wait until ends of september / October.... The said June, and later July, August, etc... i don't belive anymore in Santa Claus!
    TruPlaya187 likes this.
    08-14-2013 10:10 AM
  7. WorzelGummage's Avatar
    I think we should wait until ends of september / October.... The said June, and later July, August, etc... i don't belive anymore in Santa Claus!
    Nokia have always stated (officially) that the Amber update will roll out for existing Lumia devices during Q3 2013 (July, August and September). Any other dates that have been mentioned are based purely on speculation and rumour and not anything official from Nokia. We are currently half way into Q3 so just the other half to go before we are likely to see the update. Obviously, I would love to have the update sooner, rather than later but as someone who has been around smart phones (and in particular, Nokia phones) for a long time I've learned to be patient when it comes to updates.

    I'm still waiting on Samsung to update my Galaxy S 3 from 4.1.2 to 4.2.2 but they have put a hold on the roll-out and I won't get the update until later this year. It was supposed to be released during July/August but the last I heard was October-ish. No biggie really, just get on with my life.
    08-14-2013 10:49 AM
  8. Vistaus's Avatar
    You go wait for AT&T to okay the firmware while I and a bunch of other users are waiting for Nokia to okay the firmware (unlocked+unbranded devices).
    paulxxwall likes this.
    08-14-2013 12:10 PM
  9. Epic Pie's Avatar
    I have a question. Where can you download the official ROM modified for certain region, if you've already flashed your phone with leaked Rom, which was meant for another region? I don't think it will just pop-up in the Windows Update, so...
    08-14-2013 12:13 PM
  10. a5cent's Avatar
    obviously the update is ok or else the would not be shipping these new device with the already installed ex.1020,925etc so guess what ? The update is good and good enough for att because if it weren't the 1020 would not have shipped especially if there was an.issue with the update
    You are still very much underestimating the complexity of these devices.

    Just because an update works well on one device and for one carrier, doesn't mean it will work correctly on another device and for another carrier. Also, just because Verizon chooses to accept a certain configuration, doesn't mean at&t will agree to do the same.

    None of the things you think are obvious are anywhere close to actually beeing so.
    Last edited by a5cent; 08-14-2013 at 03:09 PM.
    WorzelGummage likes this.
    08-14-2013 01:15 PM
  11. KKRLessey's Avatar
    This update should have had priority status due to the other storage problem.
    08-14-2013 01:18 PM
  12. WorzelGummage's Avatar
    You are still very much underestimating the complexity of these devices.

    Just because an update works well on one device and for one carrier, doesn't mean it will work correctly on another device and for another carrier. Also, just because Verizon chooses to accept a certain configuration, doesn't mean at&t will agree to do the same.

    None of the things you think are obvious are anywhere close to actually beeing so.
    How very true. Last year, Nokia released the Belle update for S^3 phones and at the time I still had a Nokia N8 and so did a friend of mine. However, his network approved the update immediately but my network rejected it as "not fit for purpose". Also, my friend was on T-Mobile UK while I was on Virgin mobile UK which is actually a MVNO who use the T-Mobile network as they don't have their own. Virgin never did give a specific reason for rejecting the update which they eventually did approve afterwards. Virgin also rejected an update for a certain HTC phone for the same reasons too.

    The only thing that annoys me with the update process is the fact that those of us with unbranded handsets are having to wait until after network branded handsets have had the update first. This shouldn't be happening because their is no specific network that needs to test and approve the updates for non-branded phones. They should just be getting a generic firmware for the country/region they belong to without any of that operator branding/customisation.
    Vistaus likes this.
    08-14-2013 01:40 PM
  13. iamtim's Avatar
    F the carriers in general... and their COUCHES!
    Why would you want to do that to a piece of furniture?
    08-14-2013 02:21 PM
  14. Alij382's Avatar
    I need the amber camera improvements before I leave Brazil dammit! So many beautiful landscape and scenery!
    WorzelGummage likes this.
    08-14-2013 02:30 PM
  15. sahib lopez's Avatar
    Why would you want to do that to a piece of furniture?
    I don't think he means a piece of furniture ....he means,....... never mind ..... unless you already know and are just playing with him :P
    08-14-2013 02:47 PM
  16. Xpider_MX's Avatar
    I have to say, this may be the one thing that drives me away from Windows Phone to the iPhone. I love my Lumia 920, just like I loved my Samsung Focus, but I had really expected Microsoft to have learned from the update problems that plagued WP7. I know that they have made some improvements, and I certainly feel that Portico was released in a timely manner, but now we're back to the same story with (what I presume to be) carrier interference. At least with Apple you know there is a yearly update cycle and it's handled directly by Apple instead of going through the hands of the provider.

    Do you preffer a yearly update?

    WP8 launch: Oct 2012
    GDR1: Dec 2012
    GDR2: Aug-Sep 2013

    2 updates in a yearis worse than 1 update each 12 months? LOL.
    08-14-2013 02:55 PM
  17. iamtim's Avatar
    unless you already know and are just playing with him :P
    That.

    Because I'm pretty sure he meant to spell it "COO..." instead of "COU...", but his spelling makes it funnier. :)
    08-14-2013 02:57 PM
  18. Kebero's Avatar
    Do you preffer a yearly update?

    WP8 launch: Oct 2012
    GDR1: Dec 2012
    GDR2: Aug-Sep 2013

    2 updates in a yearis worse than 1 update each 12 months? LOL.
    I would prefer annual updates w/out carrier interface over open channels. The iPhone is an example of updates done right, IMHO. The frequency may be less, but you know that there is a yearly cycle, with sanctioned OTA and cable-connected methods. And yes, I do consider that superior.
    08-14-2013 05:30 PM
  19. paulxxwall's Avatar
    You are still very much underestimating the complexity of these devices.

    Just because an update works well on one device and for one carrier, doesn't mean it will work correctly on another device and for another carrier. Also, just because Verizon chooses to accept a certain configuration, doesn't mean at&t will agree to do the same.

    None of the things you think are obvious are anywhere close to actually beeing so.
    if there is one or more 920s out there runnig gdr2 with no problem,if Nokia has it available for download what would be the issue then? That's what kills alot of us that there are l920 s out there rocking this new update.really if there was a problem with this update we would all know by now its been out for almost two weeks not ota but it on nokias web site I just don't get that part
    08-14-2013 06:03 PM
  20. paulxxwall's Avatar
    if there is one or more 920s out there runnig gdr2 with no problem,if Nokia has it available for download what would be the issue then? That's what kills alot of us that there are l920 s out there rocking this new update.really if there was a problem with this update we would all know by now its been out for almost two weeks not ota but it on nokias web site I just don't get that part
    but the more I think about it I do hope your right I do hope its something very complex that way I know what all the wait was for .i do have faith in wp8
    and att never has let me down so I guess I'll just have to wait
    08-14-2013 06:21 PM
  21. Ftruck90's Avatar
    Do you preffer a yearly update?

    WP8 launch: Oct 2012
    GDR1: Dec 2012
    GDR2: Aug-Sep 2013

    2 updates in a yearis worse than 1 update each 12 months? LOL.
    I'm assuming you are comparing Windows Phone update schedule to iOS update schedule here. Windows Phone 8 came out in October 2012 and Windows Phone 8.1 is expected in early 2014. So 14-16 months between major OS releases with two smaller releases in between with GDR1 and GDR2. iOS sees a major release every 12 months eg. iOS 6 in 2012 and iOS 7 in 2013 but it also still sees minor dot point releases similar the the GDR's of Windows Phone in between those major releases. So it isn't as if Apple is updating any less frequently than Microsoft. If anything it's more frequent.
    That.

    Because I'm pretty sure he meant to spell it "COO..." instead of "COU...", but his spelling makes it funnier. :)
    I think you'll find it was a reference to the "Charlie Murphy: Real Hollywood Stories - Rick James" episode of Chapelle's Show.
    08-14-2013 06:55 PM
  22. iamtim's Avatar
    if there is one or more 920s out there runnig gdr2 with no problem,if Nokia has it available for download what would be the issue then?
    For AT&T, or Verizon, or any provider to push out an update, it means that they're putting their "stamp of approval" on that update. Which means they're saying, "yes, we certify that this update works under all conditions on our network on your device."

    They won't say that unless they've had a chance to test the update in as many real-world scenarios as they possibly can, so that when they push it out they're confident in what they're "saying".

    This includes testing with some apps, with no apps, with combinations of different apps.

    Just because a handful of people have flashed Nokia's ROMs onto their devices and it's working well for them, doesn't mean it will for everyone. That's the issue.
    08-14-2013 07:20 PM
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