10-19-2013 10:19 AM
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  1. ajj3085's Avatar
    Then you haven't used NT based OS very often...even my surface pro was bluescreening once every couple weeks coming out of hibernate. Oddly enough, it's stopped after updating to the 8.1 Release Preview haha
    I suspect you've done something to your surface then. Gotten a virus perhaps? I haven't had a single blue screen since before vista, and ive had four laptops and two desktops, as well as two servers.
    09-20-2013 10:05 PM
  2. Mike Joseph's Avatar
    I don't think ATT forgot about us with the 920's. ATT is neglecting us on purpose.

    Yes, I did run phone update just before posting on the faint hope there was an update pushed out.

    Why do I punish myself.
    09-20-2013 10:18 PM
  3. dcbakkk's Avatar
    Does anybody ask at&t customer care?What about them?
    09-21-2013 06:41 AM
  4. paulxxwall's Avatar
    No offense, but you are probably the exact reason why AT&T does not feel hurt to delay the Amber update.
    its not our fault that a,Nokia has built the update to Nokia standards b, att priorities are iPhones not windows phones and now att not consumers are offering this next program wp8s " premier carrier" so if we're not happy with our phones we can upgrade to get what we want.if Ms knows this us happening wouldn't u think they would do something so that customer are happy with the device you have? Guess not so many will just upgrade att feels this is easier and every ones happy if att is not to concerned about wp8 updates its not our fault we want the updates but att is so much more concerned about this new iPhone!
    09-21-2013 07:17 AM
  5. thomas wojcik's Avatar
    Could it be that att is worried that some people will do a reset on their phone before they then install the amber update, and thus open themselves up to a number of gears of death replacements? This phone is new to me and i just survived a spinning gear forever reset and was the most ridiculous thing i have ever seen.
    09-21-2013 11:32 PM
  6. JackG058's Avatar
    Could it be that att is worried that some people will do a reset on their phone before they then install the amber update, and thus open themselves up to a number of gears of death replacements? This phone is new to me and i just survived a spinning gear forever reset and was the most ridiculous thing i have ever seen.
    Yep, that is a scary moment. These phones don't reset very well, that is one ding against them. At least there is a work around. I've survived it twice now and had to use the "hard reset" key combo. At least it works consistently.
    09-21-2013 11:47 PM
  7. thomas wojcik's Avatar
    Yep, that is a scary moment. These phones don't reset very well, that is one ding against them. At least there is a work around. I've survived it twice now and had to use the "hard reset" key combo. At least it works consistently.
    Please explain more.
    09-21-2013 11:55 PM
  8. pantsaregood's Avatar
    Are you kidding me? Go google problems installing Vista without SP1 with more than 2GB of Ram and then come back. It was a well known problem and as I said Microsoft was on it quick and released a patch. It just wasn't possible to install it on any system from scratch with more than 2GB of Ram. I had to remove any RAM over 2GB,install Vista, install the patch Error message when you try to install Windows Vista on a computer that uses more than 3 GB of RAM: "STOP 0x0000000A" and then add the additonal memory back. Vista was on the right track but was a complete resource hog. I don't know how anyone who's used the OS can deny it.
    How was Vista any more of a resource hog than Windows 7? It didn't leave your 4 GB of RAM empty at all times like Windows XP did? I STILL hear people complain about the fact that NT 6.x uses a large portion of your RAM at any given time, and those complaints are always the result of expecting that "unused RAM is good." Windows Vista (and 7) will happily run on a 2.0 GHz Pentium 4 and 512 MB of RAM. SuperFetch won't really do anything, but that's what the "bloat" you're talking about is - the SuperFetch loading frequently used programs into RAM so that they open quickly.

    Also, viruses are generally not likely to cause BSODs. BSODs traditionally (and technically still can) occurred due to drivers crashing. It isn't very easy for a crashed GPU driver to bring down NT 6.x, though. CPU instability and RAM errors are much more likely to cause BSODs, and they really aren't problems that Microsoft (or anyone else) can fix in software. The integrity of some components of Windows can also be damaged, which may be why things suddenly work fine on your Surface.

    Modern iterations of Windows NT are not, however, the wreck that Windows 9x was. Minor issues with programs could crash your computer fairly easily.
    09-22-2013 12:32 AM
  9. JackG058's Avatar
    Doing this from memory, but if you get the spinning gears and they stay that way for ten minutes or greater, you can press the power, down volume, and camera key. This will do a hard reset and should recover from the spinning gears syndrome.
    thomas wojcik likes this.
    09-22-2013 12:57 AM
  10. masterblaster4's Avatar
    Here is the combination:
    Input these keys on the following sequence, press them one key at a time:
    Volume up
    Volume down
    Power key
    Volume down

    More detailed explanation at Spinning gears stuck. Lumia 920. Windows Phone | BlissLabz
    thomas wojcik and JackG058 like this.
    09-22-2013 01:28 AM
  11. Tom Snyder's Avatar
    Any still think AT&T will release these updates by Sept 30, haha I don't think its going to happen. What we will get is going to be a stripped down version anyway
    09-22-2013 08:17 AM
  12. denzilla's Avatar
    How was Vista any more of a resource hog than Windows 7? It didn't leave your 4 GB of RAM empty at all times like Windows XP did? I STILL hear people complain about the fact that NT 6.x uses a large portion of your RAM at any given time, and those complaints are always the result of expecting that "unused RAM is good." Windows Vista (and 7) will happily run on a 2.0 GHz Pentium 4 and 512 MB of RAM. SuperFetch won't really do anything, but that's what the "bloat" you're talking about is - the SuperFetch loading frequently used programs into RAM so that they open quickly.

    Also, viruses are generally not likely to cause BSODs. BSODs traditionally (and technically still can) occurred due to drivers crashing. It isn't very easy for a crashed GPU driver to bring down NT 6.x, though. CPU instability and RAM errors are much more likely to cause BSODs, and they really aren't problems that Microsoft (or anyone else) can fix in software. The integrity of some components of Windows can also be damaged, which may be why things suddenly work fine on your Surface.

    Modern iterations of Windows NT are not, however, the wreck that Windows 9x was. Minor issues with programs could crash your computer fairly easily.
    Vista was perceived as a resource hog for two reasons:

    1. OEMs selling Vista pcs with 512mb or 1gb of ram. Dumb as the day is long they were for doing this! HDD never stopped churning from a cold boot. If you weren't running at least 2gb, you were in hell.

    2. Mysterious hard drive churning when installing/uninstalling programs. This happened everytime I performed either. Seriously, what the hell was it doing? I noticed this on every machine I worked on, including my own and I ran 4gb of ram at the time.

    Vista was fine if you had the ram, with the exception of problem 2, Theme sucked though....
    Kieta likes this.
    09-22-2013 08:18 AM
  13. phirefly's Avatar
    My brother has an HTC Radar on a local carrier and just got the 7.8 update.... I'm glad he has patience.
    09-22-2013 09:10 AM
  14. WP95's Avatar
    This is another reason I'm hesitating to switch from VZW to AT&T, slow updates for the phones.
    If Verizon only had the WPs that AT&T had....with color. Everyone on WPCentral would be with big red.
    09-22-2013 09:23 AM
  15. Kebero's Avatar
    This is another reason I'm hesitating to switch from VZW to AT&T, slow updates for the phones.
    If Verizon only had the WPs that AT&T had....with color. Everyone on WPCentral would be with big red.
    You're assuming that VZW always has "timely" updates.
    thomas wojcik likes this.
    09-22-2013 09:43 AM
  16. fpostrow's Avatar
    Any still think AT&T will release these updates by Sept 30, haha I don't think its going to happen. What we will get is going to be a stripped down version anyway
    Yup, I do. But I don't think it will come BEFORE Sep 30... rolleyes
    09-22-2013 10:14 AM
  17. Ed Boland's Avatar
    Another reason I went ahead and gave in and bought the 1020, was that I wanted to be the guy that supported windows phone, and bought a Nokia on iPhone launch day. ;)

    I walked out the door of the at&t store, past the line of isheeple with my bright yellow Nokia Lumia 1020 in my hand proudly!
    09-22-2013 11:21 AM
  18. paulxxwall's Avatar
    It seems like going with the next program is the best for us who really want Ms to set the bar! Why wait for updates when we can just upgrade! Sounds crappy but I'm looking at updates to fix issues in having with my wp8 like this awesome " other storage" so if Ms is not to worried about pushing out updates that's ok I'll just upgrade . If Xbox one is out to take on the competition why isn't wp8? Ok maybe on there camera but all those millions of people waiting in line for there new iPhones where not there for its camera! I love wp but if they know there updates will be untimely let us know,be honest . If were willing to wait that's fine and if not that's fine too ill just upgrade. Ms is smart one day they'll make the OS so good and flawless with equal or more functionality then the rest . Then we won't be needing to upgrade phones so often just to fix issues, and play catch up with the competion. And even worse wait for ever for updates with features that have been on the competition for a while now!
    09-22-2013 11:28 AM
  19. mase123987's Avatar
    Another reason I went ahead and gave in and bought the 1020, was that I wanted to be the guy that supported windows phone, and bought a Nokia on iPhone launch day. ;)

    I walked out the door of the at&t store, past the line of isheeple with my bright yellow Nokia Lumia 1020 in my hand proudly!
    Unfortunately, you were mistaken as another iPhone buyer to everyone driving buy seeing the line.
    09-22-2013 11:46 AM
  20. denzilla's Avatar
    I played with a friends 1020 and liked it alot compared to mu 920. Not enough to upgrade early in November, but it was nice. Glance was handy and th phone, even with an Otterbox on felt better in the hand. All that being said, I'm not quite sure I'm sticking with Windows Phone if this is.how we're going to be treated by Att. Hate the iPhone all you like, but it has a consistent support cycle and the 5s hardware isn't all bad. If the update situation hasn't improved by November 2014, I'm probably off to Apple land.
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    09-22-2013 12:52 PM
  21. realwarder's Avatar
    I played with a friends 1020 and liked it alot compared to mu 920. Not enough to upgrade early in November, but it was nice. Glance was handy and th phone, even with an Otterbox on felt better in the hand. All that being said, I'm not quite sure I'm sticking with Windows Phone if this is.how we're going to be treated by Att. Hate the iPhone all you like, but it has a consistent support cycle and the 5s hardware isn't all bad. If the update situation hasn't improved by November 2014, I'm probably off to Apple land.
    You'll have entire OS version updates before then. That's a long way away.
    09-22-2013 02:35 PM
  22. denzilla's Avatar
    You'll have entire OS version updates before then. That's a long way away.
    I know, but its how current and upcoming phones get treated that will determine my decision. If Att is going to play politics with every update, I'd rather go with something they have less control over.
    09-22-2013 02:59 PM
  23. Ed Boland's Avatar
    Unfortunately, you were mistaken as another iPhone buyer to everyone driving buy seeing the line.
    Not a chance... I made sure to wave my bright yellow 1020 in the air for all to see. You really can't miss it, a totally different yellow than their iPhone C yellow.
    09-22-2013 03:54 PM
  24. Tom Snyder's Avatar
    I know, but its how current and upcoming phones get treated that will determine my decision. If Att is going to play politics with every update, I'd rather go with something they have less control over.
    You got that right, I don't think AT&T will change either, they really don't care. The only thing that will change their policy's is the dollar, if enough people and business's walk away that will change how they treat their subscribers.
    09-22-2013 05:32 PM
  25. Kebero's Avatar
    Unfortunately, I don't know if we're better off tracking down and buying unbranded devices, seeing as how those are (in a completely backwards manner) usually the last to be updated.
    09-22-2013 06:26 PM
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