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I love the device. Its probably the best windows phone I've ever had. Just one thing wrong with the device. The 16gb that AT&T has up us with. The OS its self is 4.2gb big. We need Microsoft allow apps to be installed on the SD cards. I hope that 8.1 has the option to install apps to SD cards.
I ordered a 64GB San Disk ultra
Yeah i definitely won't be downloading games and then forgetting i downloaded them like i did on my 920/928/1020....i was looking at my phone and i was like Wow...what the heck is using so much memory that i am down to like 9.8 GB
Same here. Got the full memory warning earlier. So I basically deleted all the games from it. I also have a 64GB SD installed, but Microsoft doesn't allow apps to be installed on SD cards. Just music and videos....
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The same here, I got mine yesterday and after installing all my apps I had only 4 GB left. I have a 32 GB micro SD card, but it does not help with the apps. I am thinking to return it, swallow 35 restocking fee, and wait the 32GB version. I do not understand ATT mentality.
I'm considering doing the same thing, but knowing AT&T we probably won't see the 32gb one till spring.
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I don't understand how phone manufacturers let the carriers decide on their products. Microsoft and Nokia should learn from Apple on this one. No one tells apple what to do with their phones. I believe that's how it should be.
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Check this out and let me know if it works. You can test it with Halo Sparta:
http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/ho...rom-an-sd-card
it s a no-go... Placing the app in the SD card will just tell the phone that the app is there and the phone will then transfer it to its internal storage...
I did the same.
You need to cut back on the apps my friend. I had my 920 loaded up with all manner of useless apps and they still only equaled about 10 gb. Might be time to remove some of the talking animals and fart machines. :winktongue:
Its a pretty simple concept. When Nokia and Microsoft begin selling at apple levels with their devices then you will likely see them having a larger voice.
When you are at the bottom, so to speak, you can't just boss carriers around because they don't need you as much as you need them. Sad fact is, if att stopped carrying windows phones, it would not hurt att anywhere as near as if they stopped carrying iPhones.
The even more simply concept is that Microsoft and Nokia won't be able to sell at Apple levels if AT&T keeps making bonehead decisions on trying to sell their product. I swear, I think AT&T sells Windows solely as for leverage against Apple and Samsung.
I had a online discussion with Microsoft at one point about how AT&T was doing them wrong concerning patches. Microsoft really didn't seem to give a crap and kept telling me to talk to the manufacturer. And then said "Have a nice day" and cut me off. For real?
Wait till Apple funds their own wireless infrastructure. Nokia and Microsoft will cut bait
Lol at the talking animals and fart machines..
Yeah to the op... Delete all of the att apps you will not use. I will delete all att apps
Um, I think had they not cut down the specs they did, it wouldn't be priced at the way it is
That is right.
So the utility of saving apps to the SD Card then sideloading them to the phone is that you can do it from your desktop and avoid data charges? Otherwise what's the point? Maybe it would be faster to sideload than to download directly to the phone? In cases when you wanted to install the same apps on a new phone. So you'd only incur data charges when updating (unless you went to the trouble of downloading updates to the SD and then sideloading).
I recall this same issue with Blackberry phones awhile back. There was some advancement IIRC and even some 3rd party programs that allowed running from SD. But that created a lot of performance issues, so having larger internal memory is much more preferable than being able to run off SD, although it might be some high-performance cards would allow decent results. By the time BB got up to 16g of internal memory, there was no issue. I never ran more than a few, usually small games, and also didn't mind the incentive to houseclean the device periodically, to cull out the apps I needed and used and to discard the rest. There are frequent OS leaks and upgrades with BB, so a lot of time and data was spent re-downloading apps which might have been helped if I stored them on the SD, particularly since backup and restore functions continue to be spotty.
back in the day on windows phone 7, there was a way to make is so your samsung focus could read from the SD card. is there anyway to trick the OS to include the SD card as part of it's built in memory?
WP7 was a very different OS and treated the SD card quite differently. When WP7 started up, it reformatted the SD card, encrypted it so that it couldn't be used in any other device (including your computer), and then treated the internal memory and the SD card as a single storage volume (sort of like a RAID 0 stripe set). Effectively, the phone and the SD card became an inseparable pair, but the total storage did increase and could be used for anything. The down side was that you can never remove that card or the phone would effectively master reset as the book partition would appear to be damaged.
true, but you have to remember that since day 1 apple never let any carrier tell them what to do. That's why there is no preinstalled carrier software, no carrier startup screen and updates don't go thru the carriers. And in the beginning noone wanted the iPhone. In the USA Cingular Wireless took on the gamble and won.
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I wouldn't mind if windows used the SD card again like it did in windows phone 7. I rearly remove my SD card. If the did it be nice to reformat it to default though. I remember I had a 32gb in my focus and had to throw away the card after I sold the focus because I could never get it to work again.
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I wish it was that easy. I love my fart apps!!! Lol
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:grincry: Who doesn't?
Is there some app or something that will list the specific breakdown of memory usage for each folder/app/etc?
Storage Check under Settings.
32 is a better number for sure. I had the L925 before this phone. I loaded it will a lot of apps. I never had a memory issue and that device only has 16gb. Lets say you have 10gb left on your device that's 10,240 Mb. Most apps are 1mb most games are 2mb. That mean you can load 5120 games or 10,240 apps assuming the average sizes. How long would it take you to play 5120 games assuming you played each game for 15 minutes? It would take you 76,800 minutes thats 53 days assuming you played 24 hours a day, just to play each game once. I think if you look hard at it. 16gb isn't that bad. The only thing that really takes up a lot of space is meltimedia. If you put all of that on a 64gb card you should be good to go unless you play games 24 hours a day for 53 days at a time... IJS
I got mine Friday and while I love the phone, I am returning mine and will wait for the 32GB version. Having 32GB on my 920, I never realized how fast I ate through storage until I only had 16GB.
Nokia can launch a variant of each flagship phone on Verizon, equipped with all the bells and whistles. That way WP supporters can get top of the line devices and at&t should not have a problem since they had the first opportunity to carry the high end model.
Download Halo, 3-4 Gameloft games, 2 Square Enix games, and a few others and you just ate through 7-8GB. Download some maps, that's another 2-4GB. Add in 1GB for random apps. You've just used almost all the storage available. It's great if people can get by with 16GB but peoples usage/habits vary. I for one definitely need the extra storage.
I bought the 1520 to see if I could get by with 16GB but it's not feasible for me so I am returning it and will wait for the 32GB version or an 8.1 device.
The other big thing that you can't put on the SD card is app data (Isolated Storage), aka "Other" storage.
For most apps, this probably isn't a huge issue, or at least no more huge than we've already experienced with "Other," but my main use for my 521 (second phone) is as an audio book player, via the Audible app. Every book that you download goes into the app storage/isolated storage/other, and cannot go to the SD card.
I'd like to be able to download the dozen or so books that I haven't listened to yet, but on an 8GB device, this is a complete no-go, even with a 64GB SD card plugged into it.
16GB improves this situation very little.
You realize 1gb = 1024 mb
Top three free games:
My Talking Tom = 27mb
Pinball Star =10mb
Star Wars Tiny Death Star =59mb
That's 96mb, you can load all those games 10 times before you reach 1-gb
I am not trying to tell you what to do. If you want 32 get the 32. I am just trying to add some perspective here. What gameloft games are you installing that take up 7-8 GB?
Yes, I know how much a GB is. :orly: And I don't play any of those games you mentioned.
I never said Gameloft games take up 7-8GB. I said those and some others: Halo, Final Fantasy, Chaos Rings, Modern Combat 4, NOVA 3, Order & Chaos, Asphalt 7 - those alone are ~7GB. Add in some others and it eats it up fairly quickly. Now add offline maps and other apps and you are reaching capacity.
I understand your perspective, I was just trying to point out that people that are gamers or app heavy could easily use up all their storage.
Fare enough I can agee with that. I think just a little memory management could make 16gb sufficient for most people. All I am really trying to do here is add some perspective. If you don't care to have to memory manage wait for the 32gb devices to release. For me 16gb will be fine. I want my L1520 now I won't give it up for something that is a non issue for me.
As previously noted, with the Beta version of Lumia Storage Check, you have the option of forcing downloaded maps to the SD card.
At least for the Windows Phone native mapping apps and the Nokia mapping apps. If you're using Garmin, it still goes to the non-SD storage, I believe.
Yeah, I think the 16GB will be fine for many users. It really will be hard to go back to my 920. I've picked it up a few times since getting the 1520 and it's just seems dinky.
Ah, thanks for that. I didn't realize that you could do that.
Having just come back from the AT&T store, the 1520 they had was an amazing device. But, I had kinda promised myself to wait on a 32GB device. Then I really looked at my L900 storage:
I have 1.8 GB left of space, and almost none of it is apps. It is all music and podcasts, so maybe I need to come off of the high horse. I would not pay $200.00 for a 16GB device, but at $100.00, this may work.
However, this huge of a device is obviously aimed at Gamers, and 16 GB of app space when that is your market is a strange decision. @kbilly70's arguments above are legit.
When you pay for some of the bigger games, you tend to want to keep them on the device. Otherwise, you lose game saves.
If you mainly want to use the 1520 for games, the 16GB doesn't make much sense.
But if you just play a casual game here and there, and make sure to offload video to your PC every once in a while, then 16GB may be okay.
I know that on my 920 I have sometimes come near filling my memory. So it does require a little memory management with 32GB. It would be so much more with only half that storage space. Especially with the higher resolution camera on the 1520.
It may sound ridiculous to some, but I wish there was a 64 GB version!
Not true. The xap remains on the SD and is extracted to local storage, which cuts the space requirements to install something in half.
The apps i can understand but once I popped my SD card in the phone I was good to go with pictures.
Not ridiculous to me! I would happily pay for the increased storage.
OH WOW! That's easy to use lol. Definitely noob to wp8 :/
the post is not about space for install. Its about space for storage. :)
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Correct, but it does have bearing on the discussion since you will be denied the ability to install an app if you're running too low on space. Having it on the MicroSD first to deploy it could help people overcome that issue. So it's still welcome information...at least in my opinion, but this is your thread after all so I will defer. :)
Edit: Fixed the weird issue with it posting what I typed in the middle of the quote.
I was going to wait for the 32 GB version to be released by AT&T until I realized all my apps took up 4.69 GB of storage. Music and videos takes up the greatest amount of my storage. I am going to use the $50 prize credit from my WP Central Halloween contest win to buy a SD card. :excited:
THANK YOU! I have been wracking my brain trying to figure out what the heck the 4GB of "other" is on my storage chart. It's Audible! I am an avid listener and currently have several titles stored on my phone. Mystery solved. But this is concerning as I am down-sizing from 32GB on my 920 to 16GB on my Unicorn Yellow 1520.
Got a winner right here folks. You all demand top of line specs and expect it to cost next to nothing. There has to be some give and take somewhere. I look for there to be a "Come to Jesus" change in the way carriers sell devices.
The $99 offer was the only thing that made me seriously consider getting a new device. It's a magical marketing sum that nearly always works. I'll be the first to admit I am a sucker for that just under 100 mark. Granted, the 1020 and 1520 are worth $200 each on their own merits, but I wouldn't have used a contract upgrade slot to replace my near perfect 920 unless the $99 ploy was in play. It allowed me to keep the safety net 920 AND get a new toy with no worries, instead of selling the 920 right away and hoping I made a good decision.
I think people expected it to have the same features and similar pricing to what was announced.
I think that everyone that is hesitant about the lack of storage space would be more than willing to pay more for the real true version of the phone. The one that gets sold internationally.
The reason they don't allow it is because it would give the illusion that apps perform slowly and rubbishly because sd cards aren't as fast as the built in memory. Yes you might get a really fast memory card but someone else somewhere will get a really cheap ultra slow one and then will bad mouth Windows Phone because the apps will run slowly
so I am down to 8.12 GB of internal space
With about 73 total apps installed on my phone(Plus 2 games....Halo Spartan Assault and Spectral Souls)
While I am not used to being this low on memory(I believe my 1020 was at like 11 GB remaining storage), I think I will be alright :D Personally for me, there is no need to have 10-15 different games on the phone.
I have Emipsx and a bunch of emulators to play games with.
My photos and my music all go to my SD card....the other 8 GB remaining I will leave as is :D And I am not having to change my way of doing things either...Well not in a bad way.
With the lower memory this is making me be more proactive as far as what I am downloading and saving to my phone.
I like big games and I cannot lie.
You other brothers can't deny.
When you download that game onto itty bitty space
But want a reticle on your face
You get sprung!
They could solve that by having the phone run a check on the SD doing read/write tests and if it doesn't pass their test then it can be used for media storage only.
They already have utilities that do this on the Xbox 360 and in Windows that only allows you to use thumb drives for performance boosts or game/app storage if they meet certain performance specs. Otherwise it will only use them for file storage, not app storage.
Enough for me.
I am managing for now, but we will see. I would have loved 32GB.:wink:
I just priced matched a microsdxc 64g on Amazon with Best Buy for 44 bucks. I don't know that I'll need that many apps or use that many. I guess games take up the most storage space. I guess time will tell for my uses.
Best Buy will be selling the Sandisk 64GB Micro SDXC card this black Friday weekend for $34.99 (if you can find one in stock).
SanDisk Corporation SDSDQUA064GA11A - Best Buy
Yea, it's not enough, I got a 32 gig SD card but I still wanna know what the hell "other" is. takes up a lot of space.
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The other big thing that you can't put on the SD card is app data (Isolated Storage), aka "Other" storage.
For most apps, this probably isn't a huge issue, or at least no more huge than we've already experienced with "Other," but my main use for my 521 (second phone) is as an audio book player, via the Audible app. Every book that you download goes into the app storage/isolated storage/other, and cannot go to the SD card.
I'd like to be able to download the dozen or so books that I haven't listened to yet, but on an 8GB device, this is a complete no-go, even with a 64GB SD card plugged into it.
16GB improves this situation very little.
I'm managing with 8 GB (and a memory card for media), so I'm sure this would be more than enough. Now if this was 16 GB without the memory card, I'd have a problem
Yep... saw that and jumping on it for my 1520 and 2520. was going to post it here but you beat me to it!
same here. SD card won't help in case of many applications.That was a mistake of ATT executives to save money & cut memory for 1520 US market from standard 32 Gig to 16 Gig.
Obviously they did not realize that applications can not run from SD card on win phone. They just added a stone to Nokia grave...:-)
Who knows? By the time 8.1 is released to AT&T customers Amazon will have these back it shop.
Amazon.com: SanDisk Ultra 128 GB microSDXC UHS-I Card with Adapter (SDSDQU-128G-AFFP-A): Computers & Accessories
Will 8.1 allows the camera to store pics on the sd card or no . As I have 925 at the moment after downloading offline maps with apps and 1080 videos I have 3 gigs left ..
you can store media on the card already
go to settings, phone storage, and select SD in the options at the bottom.
The problem however, is that the 925 does not have an SD slot, so its a hardware design issue, not one that can be magically fixed with 8.1
Problem solved with 8.1. Apps to card!
Problem mostly solved. Whereas most of my apps work fine on the SD card, my Garmin Navigon App doesn't seem to like to run from SD. And here, I was planning on downloading the whole country.
OTOH, with all my Audible books successfully moved off phone storage, I guess I have the space to spare on the phone now.
So with WP8.1 on the horizon could anyone recommend the 32GB over the 16GB? Bear in mind I have a 64GB Micro-sd card ready to go, I'm just curious if it's still worth having the extra internal space.
I think the most relevant question is whether you can get enough storage on an SD card that's fast enough to record/playback video without stuttering.
That and cash, if you don't want to spend that extra $$$, don't. :)
I am curious as well.. I want to pull the trigger but, I am afraid the video recording stutter issue.