Lumia 920 photo quality post black update

Hi all,

I believe almost all 920 users are aware about the big difference in photo qualities post amber update.
(For those who are not: http://forums.windowscentral.com/nok...er-update.html)

How many of you noticed an improvement (if any) post the amber update in photo qualities?
To me, it looks the same if not worse. The yellow hue is still there.
I use the Nokia Camera app to take the pics. I also noticed that there is still a difference between the pre-processing quality of the pic and the post processing quality of the pic.

It looks better to me, theres no yellow hue in mine

yes they fixed it in black, let me upload some.

Yellow tint Fixed
Sharpnes Not Fixed

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I liked the photos even before we got the black update (tough i can't spot much difference). Pictures are still softer then what we see upon saving. And i think they just don't care about it (with they i mean Nokia).
Before and after.. Attachment 54473 (screenshot) what actually was saved Attachment 54474

@Senad So true... Don't know why there is so much of quality loss post processing

Can someone please upload more pictures of screenshots where Nokia Camera taking a picture before and after post processing? This is the most important for me if they fixed the yellowish bug.

Originally Posted by Senad Klepic

I liked the photos even before we got the black update (tough i can't spot much difference). Pictures are still softer then what we see upon saving. And i think they just don't care about it (with they i mean Nokia).
Before and after.. Attachment 54473 (screenshot) what actually was saved Attachment 54474

The first picture is great, sharp, and clear unlike the picture that has been saved it looks so blurry. Not good. :(

Colors look so much more natural, look at the flowers post, but there's still the softness problem, too much softness while it could be a bit sharper..

well, at least it's better now

Originally Posted by AndreStudart

Colors look so much more natural, look at the flowers post, but there's still the softness problem, too much softness while it could be a bit sharper..

well, at least it's better now

I prefer the sharp photo. I wish they just made the camera algorithm looks sharper

I think noone cares about us, since the "new" wave of lumias is incoming.

Originally Posted by Senad Klepic

I think noone cares about us, since the "new" wave of lumias is incoming.

So true. We seem to be the beta testers (or the guinea pigs) for testing Nokia's hardware/software. :crying:

I'm pretty sure that it's partly jpeg compression and mostly excessive noise reduction.

I am so disappointed. I bought this phone on November 2013. I can't afford 1020. Expecting a great pictures.

Well we can cry, but the Lumia 920 takes great pictures. I just don't like the heave noise reducing (someone mentioned it). I am not disappointed in the Lumia Black update, but in Nokia for saying that we are getting new Algorithms for pictures (that was a lie)..

Damn I hate to say this but our phone are just guinea pigs. My Beta phone 920 is only 2 months old. :(

I will be sure to fire off a few before and after pics when my phone gets the update

Originally Posted by MrWhiteman

I will be sure to fire off a few before and after pics when my phone gets the update

^^ you still didn't get the black update on Lumia 920 ? is it carrier locked ?

Optical stabilization, 5 lenses, pro manual setting & carl zeiss lens sounds good until the software algorithm ruining the photo. Since I really like to use windows phone, I still prefer Nokia Lumia but that's it, I'm not going to upgrade from my Lumia 920 to others Lumia unless if necessary (e.g damaged etc). Lumia 920 camera hardware is still good enough for photography and the evidence is there. Too bad Nokia doesn't take care of their one year old flagship like they did with their current one.

Hi, this is my photo crop before and after the horrible postprocessing in my 920 with Lumia Black

I think that this is horrible !!!!!

Originally Posted by Himanshu Chowdhary

^^ you still didn't get the black update on Lumia 920 ? is it carrier locked ?

Yes I'm on EE UK and they are slow as hell, it took weeks for them to approve Amber.

Originally Posted by MrWhiteman

Yes I'm on EE UK and they are slow as hell, it took weeks for them to approve Amber.

patience is what I can say :)

supshi80: if you ask me (and i am really a bad photographer), these pictures aren't that far off, yes the colors are changed but on the 1st you see that the pic is sharper but that can be done in PS or any other photo studio (i did try nearly identical results), about the colors well there i can agree its mixed, but that black which went to gray if you do sharpen the photo in PS you'll get also black etc.
I agree that it could be better, but seems like the L920 ain't capable of taking a lot better pics then we have right now (and i hope Nokia proves that i am wrong). Again this is my statement of using the L920 for a month. I am pleased with the pictures right now (just hate to do pics on landscape without good light ).

x Senad Klepic:
See the lines in the wood and you understand that the image at the right is a lot smoother, the image at the left is clear and sharp instead
See the color of the wood. The real color of it is on the left image
See the two image at the same time, you can see the photo at left seems to be alive, the photo at the right is off

Buy a real camera if you want professional photos.

Originally Posted by mjrtoo

Buy a real camera if you want professional photos.

I remember you that before Amber upd we don't have this issue. The problem is only software. Nokia, please, fix it!!!!!

Again with a bit work with editing you get same results, they aren't "smoother" in my book but clearer same like sharper. I took your photo the right one and have put it to a bit editing see what i got from it Attachment 54594
See what i mean while i did a bit sharpering i got near colors, changing white balance i got white etc.

Originally Posted by Senad Klepic

Again with a bit work with editing you get same results, they aren't "smoother" in my book but clearer same like sharper. I took your photo the right one and have put it to a bit editing see what i got from it Attachment 54594
See what i mean while i did a bit sharpering i got near colors, changing white balance i got white etc.

This image is no good like my photo on the left (the color of all other objects are completly mistaked) (in your image is also added a lot of noise). Only if we have raw format we can adjust them without lost quality and the problem is that only 1020 and 1520 can generate photo in raw(dng file).

Well i also thought that its huge difference, its not really it makes the softer it changes the colors. But that can be changed, and also these "before" PP pictures have just bigger sharpening. Just by increasing sharpening level you get identical ( not same ) results. And no changing in algorithms will change this by a lot i am sure about that 100%.
This is my opinion you can disagree or agree but you'll see, the pics are good we can't really await a lot more.

About the pic the colors are the same (blue equals the blue, black equals the black, sharpens on the table equals again and the table is trough changing the WB pure white).

Originally Posted by Senad Klepic

Well i also thought that its huge difference, its not really it makes the softer it changes the colors. But that can be changed, and also these "before" PP pictures have just bigger sharpening. Just by increasing sharpening level you get identical ( not same ) results. And no changing in algorithms will change this i sure about that 100%.
This is my opinion you can disagree or agree but you'll see, the pics are good we can't really await a lot more.

Excuse me, but for me your image and the image on the right in my post are no good (and not also for me because if you go in a lot of forum about phone (also nokia official forum and nokia beta labs forum) there are a lot users that write about this issue)

"About the pic the colors are the same (blue equals the blue, black equals the black, sharpens on the table equals again and the table is trough changing the WB pure white). "

How can you say that the colors are the same??????

(please, use your eyes :-) )

(see by example the color of paper and wood, your image is an artificial image,my image is natural)

(see also the noise, is very simple to see too)

See another time and say me if are the same (at the left my image before post processing, at the right your image after post processing and modded by you):

I am no pro in editing i just raised sharpening in the photo and changed WB. I see that they aren't the same (my bad), but again with some skill you can make it better, and again will claim what i said before
this before PP is just about sharpening and reducing noise, while after PP you get more noise and softer details.
And even if they put some "fix" which as we see they don't care will be just about boosting sharpening.

Originally Posted by Senad Klepic

I am no pro in editing i just raised sharpening in the photo and changed WB. I see that they aren't the same (my bad), but again with some skill you can make it better, and again will claim what i said before
this before PP is just about sharpening and reducing noise, while after PP you get more noise and softer details.
And even if they put some "fix" which as we see they don't care will be just about boosting sharpening.

1 no, is not possible to have the same quality like the original because you don't have the photo in raw mode.

2, also if you have raw file is very very difficult to remember the real life parameters of the scene (like our eyes see the scene) and adjust it with a program in a future

3, this adjust take a lot of time and the issue appears in more cases then is not possible every time to adjust any photos because take a lot lot lot of time and the results often are poor (see point 1 and 2)

Originally Posted by mjrtoo

Buy a real camera if you want professional photos.

the point is here is not about professional photos. The point is that when we used to have better photos why can't we have it now after the update.
And also, why are the photos getting worse POST processing.
I'm sure Nokia can do better here

This comparison makes no sense to me. It's not right to compare what we see on the LCD smartphone. Screenshot vs photo is just wrong, bad comparison..

After Black Update i've noticed improvements on Lumia 925. Better auto WB and less noise control even high sensitive ISO.

Originally Posted by Rodrigo Mendes

This comparison makes no sense to me. It's not right to compare what we see on the LCD smartphone.

After Black Update i've noticed improvements on Lumia 925. Better auto WB and less noise control even high sensitive ISO.

Infact we compare photos on our own LCD PC (not on lumia LCD)
Perhaps,something is better in quality in Lumia Black but the yellow/green/smooth issue remains always also with Lumia Black

NOKIA, PLEASE, TAKE THE TIME TO FIX IT !!!!!

Originally Posted by supershi80

Infact we compare photos on our own LCD PC (not on lumia LCD)

Screenshot is not good for this comparison, mate. Doesn't matter the source (smartphone, PC, notebook, etc). IMHO you guys are all wrong. It's just wrong compare screenshot with photos.

Screenshot will capture the raw image without any defects from the optical (Pureview+Carl Zeiss+Nokia technology, etc).. Not only post processing involved here. Maybe the camera isn't good enough to capture the image perfectly or good pictures.

It's just my opinion, I don't know if it's right.

@ Rodrigo Mendes

finally someone speaking some sense

Originally Posted by Rodrigo Mendes

Screenshot is not good for this comparison, mate. Doesn't matter the source (smartphone, PC, notebook, etc). IMHO you guys are all wrong. It's just wrong compare screenshot with photos.

Screenshot will capture the raw image without any defects from the optical (Pureview+Carl Zeiss+Nokia technology, etc).. Not only post processing involved here. Maybe the camera isn't good enough to capture the image perfectly or good pictures.

It's just my opinion, I don't know if it's right.

If the camera can't take good pictures then why is the screenshot so good? You can compare them fine if they are both screenshots

Also I would like to point out that I can see the processing change with my eyeballs so it doesn't matter whether it's a screenshot or not. The screenshot is just for the benefit of posting them online.

Originally Posted by Rodrigo Mendes

Screenshot is not good for this comparison, mate. Doesn't matter the source (smartphone, PC, notebook, etc). IMHO you guys are all wrong. It's just wrong compare screenshot with photos.

Screenshot will capture the raw image without any defects from the optical (Pureview+Carl Zeiss+Nokia technology, etc).. Not only post processing involved here. Maybe the camera isn't good enough to capture the image perfectly or good pictures.

It's just my opinion, I don't know if it's right.

You are wrong.
There isn't any perceptible difference between the the real photo and the screenshot.

See this example (take the photos from Foto di supershi su Libero Community and open with windows viewer (to see all the image at the same size) ) :
the first is the original photo
the second is the screenshot of photo after post processing
the third is the screenshot of photo before post processing

You can see that the first and second are pratically the same

Before Amber Update, the photo was wonderful, sharp and not yellowish which makes my friend using iPhone 5 and S3 Jealous.
After Amber Update, the photo was blurred and yellowish. ruined by jpeg/photo processing.
Nokia said that they address this issue with Black Update but unfortunately, they ended the support for their beta phone guinea 920 not fixing the problem.

Since Nokia ended their support for fixing camera issues with guinea 920, how do I get back to the stock firmware? Not Amber or Black.

PS: Open Nokia Camera App, Go to settings, and turn on Photo Preview. You will see how processing ruined the photo. As I said, before Amber the photos was sharp, wonderful, and not yellowish.

Originally Posted by supershi80

You are wrong.
There isn't any perceptible difference between the the real photo and the screenshot.

Yes, i know and that's exactly my point.

When you take a picture with a cheap disposable camera, you will not have a good image too. Impossible to compare with reality or any screenshot too. But that's a postprocessing or just a bad camera quality?

Postprocessing is only one of many process there are involve in a digital photography, but not the only. A picture involve more - a lot more - camera quality than anything else. It's more easy to blame camera quality than postprocessing. That's my point.

I honestly feel that one CAN compare the quality/clarity of the photos from the screenshot and the photo.
The screenshot is nothing but an image of what is rendered right after clicking the photo, whereas what we get as a real photo is worse - the post processing effect.
It think it is absolutely fine to do this comparison. If so, then why is there a difference post-processing?

Originally Posted by Rodrigo Mendes

Yes, i know and that's exactly my point.

When you take a picture with a cheap disposable camera, you will not have a good image too. Impossible to compare with reality or any screenshot too. But that's a postprocessing or just a bad camera quality?

Postprocessing is only one of many process there are involve in a digital photography, but not the only. A picture involve more - a lot more - camera quality than anything else. It's more easy to blame camera quality than postprocessing. That's my point.

We are lucky because the Nokia Camera can see us the image before and after the postprocessing, then is very clear to undestand that is the postprocessing that damage the photos. Try also you some test and see with your eyes ;-)

In my last post you can take the images from my link and make the comparison between 1 and 2:
(1) is the original photo generated by my phone
(2) is the screenshot of the photo (taked from my 920 screen with [win button]+[power button]) after post processing
(3) is the screenshot of the photo (take from my 920 screen with [win button]+[power button]) before post processing

1&2 are = for color,sharpness,... (and show yellow/green/smoot issue)
Then the result is: postprocessing create the issue.

NOKIA PLEASE FIX IT

Originally Posted by supershi80

We are lucky because the Nokia Camera can see us the image before and after the postprocessing, then is very clear to undestand that is the postprocessing that damage the photos. Try also you some test and see with your eyes ;-)

In the last my post take the images from my link and make the comparison between 1 and 2:
-the first is the original photo generated by my phone
-the second is the screenshot of the photo (taked by my 920 screen) after post processing
-the third is the screenshot of the photo (take by my 920 screen) before post processing

1&2 are = (and show yellow/green/smoot issue)

Forget what I was saying!!

Now I understand what you guys mean. You're talking about Preview Image, right? One that appears immediately after taking the picture in Nokia Camera, right? You're right about that. There's a post processing that changes the picture. But just a little, at least here in my Lumia 925. Only WB changes e noise control.

Originally Posted by Rodrigo Mendes

Forget what I was saying!!

Now I understand what you guys mean. You're talking about Preview Image, right? One that appears immediately after taking the picture in Nokia Camera, right? You're right about that. There's a post processing that changes the picture. But just a little, at least here in my Lumia 925. Only WB changes e noise control.

yes, right :-)
On 920 instead the post processing creates a big issue

Because you use the 925, can you send on this forum two images before and after the post processing to permit us to see the difference respect the post processing of 920 ?
Thanks :-)

Originally Posted by supershi80

yes, right :-)
On 920 instead the post processing creates a big issue

Because you use the 925, can you send on this forum two images before and after the post processing to permit us to see the difference respect the post processing of 920 ?
Thanks :-)

Ok, i made it here. I think post processing image is much better and more realistic on Lumia 925. At home I will upload to you guys!

Just got the black update and the yellowish tint and softness is still there..but the noise was lessened

Yes. The the photos are still yellowish and blurry in Nokia Black using the latest Nokia Camera and default camera.

Originally Posted by cuzincurly

Just got the black update and the yellowish tint and softness is still there..but the noise was lessened

i have the same issue in a Lumia 925. My brother with his chinese Phone xiaomi red rice takes better photos than me with my lumia 925...

Originally Posted by indoko

i have the same issue in a Lumia 925. My brother with his chinese Phone xiaomi red rice takes better photos than me with my lumia 925...

Incredible !!! :-(((

Right :D

Originally Posted by indoko

i have the same issue in a Lumia 925. My brother with his chinese Phone xiaomi red rice takes better photos than me with my lumia 925...

Nokia are you listening to this. Please pull up your socks...

I also want to use Nokia Camera without these problems but for now it's not possible. I tried Camera 360 which doesn't have this problem as I have seen till now. I will test further.

Can we please moan at this guy on twitter, he's Nokia's camera guy https://twitter.com/jalakarhu

Originally Posted by Sasa Lakic

I also want to use Nokia Camera without these problems but for now it's not possible. I tried Camera 360 which doesn't have this problem as I have seen till now. I will test further.

Camera 360 is very difficult to test because it only takes low res images unlike all the others which take the full 8mpx

Yes. Lower resolution but saved images are not yellowish and are sharp.

Guys, this is a green tint, not yellow. Try to use some app for edit image (like Thumba) and lower the green balance. That's it, you will have a perfect photo, identical to the photo before post processing. I've noticed that green tint don't happens all the time. Only in some low light conditions and / or flash on.

But I haven't noticed any problems with sharpness or noise control. Only this green tint and some conditions, not all.

So, that's it, green tint, not yellow. Again: Lumia 925 here. But my father have a Lumia 920 and will try to make some tests.

When I have

sorry to be out of topic, i just want to know if there is any application that is able to read text in a document, (text to voice) for example a report i have a which saved from my pc to my lumia so that i can read it at home, instead of reading it my self, i just start/instruct this 'application' to read it for me!

Originally Posted by muvig

sorry to be out of topic, i just want to know if there is any application that is able to read text in a document, (text to voice) for example a report i have a which saved from my pc to my lumia so that i can read it at home, instead of reading it my self, i just start/instruct this 'application' to read it for me!

Open a new thread with this question ;-)

Originally Posted by Rodrigo Mendes

Guys, this is a green tint, not yellow. Try to use some app for edit image (like Thumba) and lower the green balance. That's it, you will have a perfect photo, identical to the photo before post processing. I've noticed that green tint don't happens all the time. Only in some low light conditions and / or flash on.

But I haven't noticed any problems with sharpness or noise control. Only this green tint and some conditions, not all.

So, that's it, green tint, not yellow. Again: Lumia 925 here. But my father have a Lumia 920 and will try to make some tests.

When I have

Thumba is exactly what I use on my 928 (still on Amber, for the record), and it works well for the purpose of fixing the color, but saving the photo reduces the quality. Also, we shouldn't have use third-party apps for this...the purpose of this camera is to point and shoot. I wish that Nokia would leave the post processing to the users instead of trying to force what they think works best.

Originally Posted by TheJoester09

Thumba is exactly what I use on my 928 (still on Amber, for the record), and it works well for the purpose of fixing the color, but saving the photo reduces the quality. Also, we shouldn't have use third-party apps for this...the purpose of this camera is to point and shoot. I wish that Nokia would leave the post processing to the users instead of trying to force what they think works best.

You are right. This phone should be point and shoot. At the moment color balance fixes the yellowish pictures using 3rd party app but come on that is hassle. Portico does not have this yellowish and blurry/softening problem.

Originally Posted by AndrewL920

You are right. This phone should be point and shoot. At the moment color balance fixes the yellowish pictures using 3rd party app but come on that is hassle. Portico does not have this yellowish and blurry/softening problem.

Absolutely true... Photo qualities in Portico were way better and sharper than this stupid Black update. I've kind of started disliking Nokia updates. Pheww....

Originally Posted by ktl88

Absolutely true... Photo qualities in Portico were way better and sharper than this stupid Black update. I've kind of started disliking Nokia updates. Pheww....

It started on Amber Update. My front facing camera is now unusable because I look like a Simpson when taking self photo using it. Try it.

This afternoon i have been taking photos with a Samsung ativ s and it doesn't have the yellowish issue i have in my lumia 925. Nokia has to fix it.

Originally Posted by indoko

This afternoon i have been taking photos with a Samsung ativ s and it doesn't have the yellowish issue i have in my lumia 925. Nokia has to fix it.

Question:
can you install Nokia Camera (if is possible) on ativ s and see how work the postprocessing ?

Originally Posted by supershi80

Question:
can you install Nokia Camera (if is possible) on ativ s and see how work the postprocessing ?

I think it is possible through proxy. Just search some thread about how to install Nokia Camera on Ativ S

Originally Posted by supershi80

Question:

can you install Nokia Camera (if is possible) on ativ s and see how work the postprocessing ?

It's my mother's in law phone. Next time i'll try to do that.

Can we suggest to fix this issue here? https://windowsphone.uservoice.com/f...re-suggestions

Originally Posted by AndrewL920

Can we suggest to fix this issue here? https://windowsphone.uservoice.com/f...re-suggestions

this for windows phone feature suggestion page, you should consider contact nokia about this, since Microsoft have nothing to deal with this, oem (nokia ) seeds these firmware update(black, amber).

You are absolutely right front facing camera after AMBER is unusable, 80% of taken pictures looks like this - Simpson like, Yellow skin tone and purple around...Attachment 54791.

Yep FFC is better on my VGA Lumia 620, while we should have here 1,2MB (according to some reviews i saw that the FFC on Lumia920 is usable for selfies pictures and skype). Seems like all the Lumias (even the low end) get better support then the leader of the gang L920.

Attachment 54794
I have the yellowish tint still and blurred images post black update. I used 4Blend HDR for this :) and any idea why the Image file size is in KB....too small :/ 200KB 300KB >:( rarely it hits 2MB once in a blue moon I mean and that too with the Nokia Camera App. This pic was around 800KB (tolerable)

Originally Posted by lordbebech

You are absolutely right front facing camera after AMBER is unusable, 80% of picture looks like this Simpson like, Yellow skin tone and purple around...Attachment 54791.

I think you mean 100% unusable. Damn that post processing! My Old N70 and E72 take better Front facing photo than my 920.

Originally Posted by Nadia Syed

Attachment 54794
I have the yellowish tint still and blurred images post black update. I used 4Blend HDR for this :) and any idea why the Image file size is in KB....too small :/ 200KB 300KB >:( rarely it hits 2MB once in a blue moon I mean and that too with the Nokia Camera App. This pic was around 800KB (tolerable)

Third party camera applications like 4blend and camera360 are not using high resolution pictures.

Originally Posted by Senad Klepic

Yep FFC is better on my VGA Lumia 620, while we should have here 1,2MB (according to some reviews i saw that the FFC on Lumia920 is usable for selfies pictures and skype). Seems like all the Lumias (even the low end) get better support then the leader of the gang L920.

FFC is usable in Portico Update. Amber destroyed it and Black did not fix it.

Originally Posted by AndrewL920

Third party camera applications like 4blend and camera360 are not using high resolution pictures.

I was talking about Nokia Camera....all my pics are 300kb or 200kb

Originally Posted by lordbebech

You are absolutely right front facing camera after AMBER is unusable, 80% of picture looks like this Simpson like, Yellow skin tone and purple around... Attachment 54791

Wow, just wow. My front camera isn't near that bad and I have a Lumia 920 too.

Originally Posted by Dethon

Wow, just wow. My front camera isn't near that bad and I have a Lumia 920 too.

Go to Nokia Camera, settings then turn On Photo Review. Take a selfie photo

My impression so far after updating to Black is that the colours are closer to the real ones, and the noise is handled a bit better too. Not radically different results but they are better, if only a little.

If you set the iso to 100-200, the softness is highly reduced

I want to admit that i still don't have a BLACK update, but as users commenting around here, that nothing have changed except more accurate white balance. In the day light effect it is no so dramatic... there is no this fricky Simpson effect,
Attachment 54831

but after all this updates, pictures are faded from colors,blurred and a way more grainy.
Attachment 54832
Actually it looks like it was photoshoped with filter like 'old film' or something like that EDIT: i do some researches and i can say now with dose of certainty that inpreAMBER photos there was all over purple tint, AMBER solved that issue but added another... Simpson effect (yellow skin tone) in low light (especially fluorescent light)
condition and faded colors to semi-good conditions. Here is small comparison.
Attachment 54835
In this photo we can actually even say that there is somekind of improvment.
As soon as i get black uptade here in Poland i will try to do more comparisons

Originally Posted by lordbebech

I want to admit that i still don't have a BLACK update, but as users commenting around here, that nothing have changed except more accurate white balance. In the day light effect it is no so dramatic... there is no this fricky Simpson effect,
Attachment 54831

but after all this updates, pictures are faded from colors,blurred and a way more grainy.
Attachment 54832
Actually it looks like it was photoshoped with filter like 'old film' or something like that EDIT: i do some researches and i can say now with dose of certainty that inpreAMBER photos there was all over purple tint, AMBER solved that issue but added another... Simpson effect (yellow skin tone) in low light (especially fluorescent light)
condition and faded colors to semi-good conditions. Here is small comparison.
Attachment 54835
In this photo we can actually even say that there is somekind of improvment.
As soon as i get black uptade here in Poland i will try to do more comparisons

Yes using fluorescent light will make the front facing selfie photo a Simpson but not in a daylight. Thank you for the comparison.

to those experiencing 'issues', have you posted about it on the official nokia discussions forum? Nokia Lumia - Nokia Support Discussions

i've searched but can't find a thread about it over there. i would have thought the offical nokia forums would have at least its own thread. are nokia more likely to read their own forums or win phones forum?

Originally Posted by alpha beta gaga

to those experiencing 'issues', have you posted about it on the official nokia discussions forum? Nokia Lumia - Nokia Support Discussions

i've searched but can't find a thread about it over there. i would have thought the offical nokia forums would have at least its own thread. are nokia more likely to read their own forums or win phones forum?

I already created a thread there but I think moderators of the forum and other users are the only people who read those threads there. Nokia discussions threads are too cluttered. If I have another camera to record how post processing kills the image and then post it on YouTube I think I may get their attention

ok. so regardless of how many other threads there are over on nokia discussions, if it is/was a widespread 'issue' surely the quantity of people posting about it would be high/on the increase and the thread wouldn't get lost..no?

Okay, i got BLACK from, lets say not official source. Just made few testes, and well i see the difference. Much better color reproduction, simpson effect under low fluorescent light reduced... (its hard to say because when i use Front face camera i can see on phone display that camera is STRUGGLING to set right white balance, i made series of photo by holding shutter button 3/5 was amazing good ,one was simpson like and one had another issue (blur). I am starting to wonder that it may be hardware problem.

Originally Posted by lordbebech

Okay, i got BLACK from, lets say not official source. Just made few testes, and well i see the difference. Much better color reproduction, simpson effect under low fluorescent light reduced... (its hard to say because when i use Front face camera i can see on phone display that camera is STRUGGLING to set right white balance, i made series of photo by holding shutter button 3/5 was amazing good ,one was simpson like and one had another issue (blur). I am starting to wonder that it may be hardware problem.

exactly. and that is why there is very few mentions of it over on nokia discussions. if it was widespread rather than isolated to a few cases, there would be more than a page or 2 of people talking about it on nokia discussions. it is not even widespread on wpc, it is just the same people posting about it over and over.

alpha beta gang i would agree with you if this problem didn't started with Amber.

Originally Posted by Senad Klepic

alpha beta gang i would agree with you if this problem didn't started with Amber.

so why isn't this 'issue' being discussed at any great length on nokia forums then? threads don't simply get buried if there is an issue affecting the majority of users. i searched and found a one page thread about it with the last post dated sept 13

Its not faulty hardware of the device you know why?
Every Lumia user (who turns on review) and looks closer sees that the PP is "ruining" the picture, now take for an example one granny which got the L920 or some 15y old kid you think he'll see the difference (i don't go on global, just on casual users). Clearly only who saw this are Lumia " sawys " which wanna the best from the device, well at least that is my opinion.

Yeah, post processing in most of the cases highly decrease details, and sharpens of photo and sometimes adding a little bit of yellow tint, as most of user say the effect is stronger with higher ISO and i can also confirm that. Photos on screen shot (especially makro ones) looks way better than finally post processed photo saved. Is it so hard to allow users to just switch off post processing if they don't want it ? The situation is stupid now, because the best idea would be taking photos by screen shoot of being saved photo, wwhat is actually quite difficult with combination :Windows + Lock .

This reminds me on my previous phone. HTC One which had red tint problem in low light conditions. Even my final pics didn't have red tint it wasn't pleasure to look at viewfinder while taking pics. Difference is that One problem was hardware related and they tried to lower it by adjusting ISO algorithm. Nokia problem is a lot easier and I hope they will solve it. I am pretty satisfied with my l920.

Why cant i watch the php photos? I just can open the ones in jpeg here ib the forums using my lumia 920. Anyone knows how to solve this?

Originally Posted by alpha beta gaga

so why isn't this 'issue' being discussed at any great length on nokia forums then? threads don't simply get buried if there is an issue affecting the majority of users. i searched and found a one page thread about it with the last post dated sept 13

Many peoples having the issue of yellow tint or blured photos, some users reported also that this not just hardware problem because is repeatable: non existence of problem-> installing AMBER/BLACK update -> yellow tint appers. Maybe we all broken our phone cameras simultaneously... ;/ ?! Is there a way to stop Nokia Pro Camera applying the yellow tint to the photos I take? : windowsphone
BTW... i made some researches. Have bad & good news. Bad one damn simpson effect remains in fluorescent light (dramtic effect on front facing camera and even on main camera but with lower impact) but just look an this: the photo is amazingly more sharper Right one AMBER (1/100 ISO 160) ( i did this photo about three times with different lenses including Proshot effect nearly the same) Left one BLACK (1/100 ISO 130) . Both on Auto:Attachment 54899

i would prefer the left side image.

And that one is from BLACK, i know title of the photo is missleading but description is correct :)

So , for some people, the black update is fixing the sharpness problem.

Not really, i can still se that photo before post producing is sharper and heave diffrent- more accurate colors. But yes, there is an improvement in comparison to AMBER.