04-09-2014 01:32 PM
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  1. alexloe's Avatar
    Hello, I just registered in this forum to add some comments to this thread. I'm from Spain and I have bought a Lumia 620 imported from Germany this Christmas. It was working fine using the most popular operators (Vodafone, Movistar, Orange...) but when I tried to use a Virtual Mobile Phone Operator (OMVs at Spain) the phone always shows the roaming triangle. Then I flashed the Spain country variant version and everything goes fine again with the virtual operator, ONO in my case.

    So, I only want to say: if you are using a non common operator and you flash another country variant version like Netherlands, you could get some roaming issues. Then, from my point of view, I prefer to wait for my country variant version.

    By the way, I have been reading a lot of comments on Internet about how to disable the damn triangle and there is not a clear answer (or I have not found it). If you are using a non global operator and you have an imported phone, please replace your firmware with your country variant version to get the list of operators for your country. Problem solved!

    Regards!!
    ONO uses a different MNC in IMSI than the Movistar MNC. That's the reason why the triangle is shown.

    In Spanish variant 059S040 there is a special setting in oemcustomazation.xml:

    - <Component ComponentName="RoamingFilter">
    - <SettingsGroup>
    <Setting CustomName="Value000" Name="Home PLMN Code" Value="214" />
    <Setting CustomName="Value006" Name="Target Imsi Code" Value="214,22" />
    <Setting CustomName="Value005" Name="Target Imsi Code" Value="214,21" />
    <Setting CustomName="Value004" Name="Target Imsi Code" Value="214,18" />
    <Setting CustomName="Value003" Name="Target Imsi Code" Value="214,08" />
    <Setting CustomName="Value002" Name="Target Imsi Code" Value="214,06" />
    <Setting CustomName="Value001" Name="Target Imsi Code" Value="214,05" />
    <Setting CustomName="Value000" Name="Target Imsi Code" Value="214,04" />
    <Setting Name="Enabled" Value="1" />
    </SettingsGroup>

    For IMSIs with 214 22 214 21 214 18 214 08 214 06 214 05 214 04 the triangle is not shown when active in any spanish network (Home PLMN Code" Value="214).
    Jajador likes this.
    03-02-2014 11:21 AM
  2. ammazon's Avatar
    Nokia is busy in their high-end devices 1020, 1320 and 1520 etc.
    Then Nokia manufacture only those phones, 1020, 1320 and 1520. It no longer mock us with low cost products.
    03-02-2014 12:20 PM
  3. mpt15's Avatar
    Then Nokia manufacture only those phones, 1020, 1320 and 1520. It no longer mock us with low cost products.
    your hysterics won't get you the update. A lot of low cost android phones dont get updates, so stop hating on Nokia. The 620 will get the update. If they didn't intend to release ir, the status would be "not available" rather than "waiting for approval".also, the 520 got the black update, so it has NOTHING to do with how much you paid for the phone.

    Microsoft made it possible for everyone to get the gdr3 update early, bypassing carriers and OEMs. So, if you have gdr3, and if you dont get the black firmware (which you will soon), you can still get the 8.1 update which is released by Microsoft (not Nokia) if they release it through the dev preview (which is very likely).
    So can everyone please keep calm and enjoy your Lumia.
    Peace.
    anon(7900571) and Asik15 like this.
    03-02-2014 12:26 PM
  4. stol z powylamywanymi nogami's Avatar
    Nokia is busy in their high-end devices 1020, 1320 and 1520 etc.
    Lol. Don't you think company big as nokia have groups of people, every group responsible for something else ? People for high end, people for marketing, people for updates etc.. you argument is invalid.

    What if we get wp8.1 and then stupid nokia releases black for 620.
    Will that create installation problem because I highly think that this will happen.
    It will create not such thing. It will be fine, black is just some special features from nokia, not OS. WP devices are not only nokia, you have, huawei, htc, samsung etc, that devices don't have this whole charade with ambers blacks etc.. Users of different mobiles than nokia, also get the same what nokia with "new colours" but a bit later. Bottom line is, we do not need black, amber to have most of the features, because all the features besides battery killer double tap to wake were included in update of basic wp applications. Thats why after upgrade to gdr3, we have almost all black features.
    03-02-2014 03:02 PM
  5. colinkiama's Avatar
    Wow, we are at 800 posts already. Lets hope the update comes out for everyone before it reaches 1000
    svknet and Ishan Pandya like this.
    03-02-2014 04:11 PM
  6. Roman Ekaterininsky's Avatar
    Then Nokia manufacture only those phones, 1020, 1320 and 1520. It no longer mock us with low cost products.
    You just forgot about 525, 625, something with name Nokia X and tablet 2520 on updated RT.
    03-02-2014 04:19 PM
  7. hohai59's Avatar
    Hey Guys, nokia lumia 620 updated GDR3 of Microsoft then no need update Lumia black of Nokia. Let us wait for WP 8.1
    03-02-2014 05:29 PM
  8. aakash Vishwakarma's Avatar
    We heard that black update available for Finland and neitherland, 5 days ago after that no country got the update so my question if we'll got black?
    03-02-2014 08:04 PM
  9. Jajador's Avatar
    ONO uses a different MNC in IMSI than the Movistar MNC. That's the reason why the triangle is shown.

    In Spanish variant 059S040 there is a special setting in oemcustomazation.xml:
    ...
    Hi alexloe! It is possible to modify this file? I wish to try with other firmwares than the spanish country variant. I remember to be looking for a registry editor or something else to modify these values when I was using the german firmware. You have opened my eyes ;)

    Perhaps this thread is not the best place to discuss this. Sorry in advance.
    03-03-2014 02:03 AM
  10. Roman Ekaterininsky's Avatar
    Hi alexloe! It is possible to modify this file? I wish to try with other firmwares than the spanish country variant. I remember to be looking for a registry editor or something else to modify these values when I was using the german firmware. You have opened my eyes ;)

    Perhaps this thread is not the best place to discuss this. Sorry in advance.
    Any registry edition may be possible only with interop-unlocked devices which are Samsung Ativ S, Samsung Ativ Odyssey, Huawei Ascend W1 and probably HTC 8S (due to xda forum)
    We heard that black update available for Finland and neitherland, 5 days ago after that no country got the update so my question if we'll got black?
    Not just there two countries. Check Middle East region.
    03-03-2014 03:47 AM
  11. alexloe's Avatar
    In theory there may be an option to edit via JTAG or direct eMMC read / write. But to do that you have to open your phone, remove some shields and solder some wires.
    03-03-2014 10:24 AM
  12. Sakitumi's Avatar
    In theory there may be an option to edit via JTAG or direct eMMC read / write. But to do that you have to open your phone, remove some shields and solder some wires.
    You would need some inside knowledge of how to wire stuff. Pretty much not for a regular "forumer" here on wpcentral.
    03-03-2014 11:58 AM
  13. Jajador's Avatar
    You are right. I'm a software developer, but I really do not know about hardware stuff... Thanks for your answers anyway, but I will wait till some kind of Windows Phone jailbroken ;)

    Sent from my RM-846_eu_spain_358 using Tapatalk
    03-03-2014 12:28 PM
  14. xxxplode's Avatar
    Those of you who already have black update, are u able to use custom sms tones? That's one of the features I'm looking forward to seeing when I will have it in a hopefully nearby future along with glance2.0, easier app shutdown, locking the screen and whatnot. Also, having black, will we be able to attach more filetypes than just pictures using email on wp8, or do we have to wait for 8.1 on this one?
    03-04-2014 12:04 AM
  15. Diniy Moktar's Avatar
    It is getting annoying and irritating waiting for the black update in Asia Pacific. Sorry to say this. Still 'waiting for approval'. Its already March.
    03-04-2014 12:17 AM
  16. cuwe's Avatar
    It is getting annoying and irritating waiting for the black update in Asia Pacific. Sorry to say this. Still 'waiting for approval'. Its already March.
    In Malaysia , sume dah update , just L620 still waiting for approval . Dammit -,-
    03-04-2014 12:25 AM
  17. I_m_Snah's Avatar
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    It looks like there's no camera "improvements" as I said before.
    Still it can crank up the shutter speed up to 4 seconds, while the other Lumias(non-PureView) with Black can crank up to 1 second only.

    Or is it just me.
    03-04-2014 02:35 AM
  18. svknet's Avatar


    Nokia is saying have patience!
    03-04-2014 02:44 AM
  19. Andy Black's Avatar
    I hope Microsoft will fire all Nokia software stuff. Let them to have patience.
    03-04-2014 04:29 AM
  20. Petr Dolik's Avatar
    I can change SMS ringtones on my Lumia 620 with Amber and GDR3 :-)
    03-04-2014 04:47 AM
  21. Petr Dolik's Avatar
    Those of you who already have black update, are u able to use custom sms tones? That's one of the features I'm looking forward to seeing when I will have it in a hopefully nearby future along with glance2.0, easier app shutdown, locking the screen and whatnot. Also, having black, will we be able to attach more filetypes than just pictures using email on wp8, or do we have to wait for 8.1 on this one?
    I can change SMS ringtones on my Lumia 620 with Amber and GDR3 :-)
    03-04-2014 04:48 AM
  22. hohai59's Avatar
    My guys, let us patience...patience...and patience
    03-04-2014 05:14 AM
  23. Petr Dolik's Avatar
    and patience...
    03-04-2014 06:52 AM
  24. stol z powylamywanymi nogami's Avatar

    It looks like there's no camera "improvements" as I said before.
    Still it can crank up the shutter speed up to 4 seconds, while the other Lumias(non-PureView) with Black can crank up to 1 second only.

    Or is it just me.
    I have gdr3+amber and Nokia Camera Beta and I can set to 4 seconds.

    BTW, what is the point ? what it gives you, besides that foto is unfocused.. I have no idea about photography
    03-04-2014 07:57 AM
  25. Aarti Singh1's Avatar
    Guys my distant relative retired from Nokia(gurgaon) in Jan 2014 (I recently found out he had been working) When asked about the why nokia delays updates He told me this (He told me a lot of technical stuff but i didn't get it, anywho i'll be writing the jist)
    Lets see the science behind the updates
    Amber Update dates-
    1st 620-Aug 15 =,2013
    620(India)- 5 Sep 2013

    1st 520-16 Aug 2013
    Lumia 520(India)-24 Sep 2013

    Moreover some country variant such as Israel 520,Colombia 520,Colombia 720, Costa Rica 520,720, the Black updates have not come
    + Colombia's country variant of 820,920 haven't seen the amber update till now.Yes 920!

    When giving updates Nokia divides the world into regions, For example Scandanavia, European Union,UK,Eastern Europe,Gulf, Middle east Asia, Brazil, Central and Southern America, Canada, US, NZ, Australasia, Asia Pacific, Japan+Korea,Russia, Far East,etc The actual number of divisions is greater, as each of them has further divisions into country variants
    such as MEA1 which incldes one country India, MEA3 which includes UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait,Qatar , sometimes Jordan
    So if MEA3 is updated all the MEA3 countries will get the OTA update.

    The(OTA) Update process depends on three factors
    1. The Market of the phone
    2. The Market of the phone in the country.
    3.The Market of the country.

    The higher and the lower in the above categories get update first. For ex: Middle east market is yet to grow, so it will get update first so that people can mouth to mouth publicize the phone and to increase the market share, similarly the scandanavian market would get update first, as 1 in every 5 person has a windows phone over there (to reward the hooked customers).
    Similarly new launch devices would get update first(i.e come with the update) to increase the market share, the devices with the highest share would get updated first like 920,520.

    When Microsoft began with the gdr1 update all the 620.520,720 hadn't been launched so all came with portico, when gdr2 came in july the number of 620 had then outnumbered other low end devices like 520,720 but by the time amber was ready 520 was already the most popular handset, that's why 620 got amber first, but gdr 3 in october 620 was still the 3rd most popluar device (of the x2x series) in many countries (520>920>620) By december 620 had dropped to 5th positon (520>920>720>520>620>1020>625>820>822). And Remember the growth of WP market in india is halting. So 620, is a average phone in an average WP market in an average WP growing country. All the factors delaying the update here. Plus there's more

    The time it took so long for update on black for 620, It's an average popular lumia phone.
    It has features like NFC, Clearblack LCD(instead of IPS),relatively low battery potential, No inbuilt FM antenna, wifi -802.11 a,b,g,n,
    which makes it unique than other low end lumia devices, hence desiging a update specifically for the mobile required more time when compairing other low end lumia.
    And finally Nokia had been busy being bought by microsoft + other devices such as 1320,1520, x, X+, XL which required desiging a almost whole new OS.
    + a range of new devices for WP8....He told there are gonna be atleast 3 before june but he doesn't know nothing about them. Also a debate on a firmware update too (8.1+nokia specific)
    Black update on whole was delayed. (GDR3-October, black- Jan).
    He said that i may have to wait untill the end of the month for black
    03-04-2014 08:02 AM
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