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  1. SAM 77's Avatar

    • They seem to be scared they eat to much in the 930 sales when developing this. What they don't could take into account is that THERE ARE ONLY PATATHIC 930 sales when the 830 is released. But they couldn't have known when they designed this.
    I wouldn't be surprised if that was the logic used for the choice in SOC. Then they have to rely on the marketing department to come up with this "Flagship" bs to make it fly.

    For 430 euros they could have had my money if they had included S800. Its a phone for the 3rd world to get excited about. The rest of us looking for common sense in an upgrade have only the 930 and 1520 to look at.

    The 830 wil sell as much as the 820 did. Pretty poorly.
    In a years time the old 92x series will still have more WP market share than the 830
    09-05-2014 01:47 AM
  2. prasath1234's Avatar
    I have to correct it Lumia 730 will sell great and it will kill Lumia 830.earlier atleast Lumia 720 had only 512 MB ram compared to Lumia 820 1 gb ram.now both Lumia 730 and 830 have same ram.so Lumia 830 will fail miserably compared to even Lumia 820.hail Lumia 730 real superman.
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    09-05-2014 02:06 AM
  3. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    One word: 630


    This phone, as beautiful as it may be, costs more then 3 times the 630, yet includes the same CPU.

    Sure there are marginal upgrades like 1GB of RAM, better cameras, and a slightly nicer display, but who will pay THAT much more for a handful of upgrades and a similar, if not identical experience?

    The 830 is a nice phone, don't get me wrong. I want it... Just not at the $350 US (approx) price point.

    That is nexus money for what is most certainly NOT a flagship device.

    That leaves me to my last point, and that is the marketing. This is the first time I have watched a presentation by MS/Nokia and felt genuinely misled. The word flagship should never have been uttered, and this phone should have been $199.

    Congrats on another dud, MS.
    All the "marginal upgrades" make for a 10X better phone. I would never consider the 630, but the 730 seems perfect...even more so when contrasted with the 830
    09-05-2014 02:08 AM
  4. Saeedo Sefrini's Avatar
    Read the first line of my post its no flagship thats what I take issue with.
    That's exactly what I was saying as well, the 830 is not meant to be a flagship, its meant to give people mid specs for a reasonable price. Its somewhere in between low end and high end in terms of specs and price.
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    09-05-2014 02:12 AM
  5. dare100em's Avatar
    I have to correct it Lumia 730 will sell great and it will kill Lumia 830.earlier atleast Lumia 720 had only 512 MB ram compared to Lumia 820 1 gb ram.now both Lumia 730 and 830 have same ram.so Lumia 830 will fail miserably compared to even Lumia 820.hail Lumia 730 real superman.
    That's what i believe too.

    I can see the 730/735 becoming a "ressonable" success, especially in EMA's. For the 830 - at least if it's not discounted heavily - i don't see it.

    Problem again: THAT won't be enough for WinPhone and MS/Nokia will conclude bull like "Affordable WinPhones sells better, 830 failed but 730 did well" or something along that line. NO, 830 fails because in it's playing field above 300$ specs Matter, there are compromisses which are OK like 720p, 1 Gb RAM but NO WAY a S400.
    09-05-2014 02:17 AM
  6. SAM 77's Avatar
    I have to correct it Lumia 730 will sell great and it will kill Lumia 830.earlier atleast Lumia 720 had only 512 MB ram compared to Lumia 820 1 gb ram.now both Lumia 730 and 830 have same ram.so Lumia 830 will fail miserably compared to even Lumia 820.hail Lumia 730 real superman.
    Yeah the 730 will do well and is a worthy replacement for the 720.
    At least MS/Nokia got one phone priced and specced correctly.
    09-05-2014 02:18 AM
  7. prasath1234's Avatar
    Yes I believe lumia 730 will defeat the newly announced moto g 2 atleast in India.lumia 730 will batter the moto g 2 which is same as moto g even if price remain the same.lumia 730 is the best mid ranger ever.hail Lumia 730.
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    09-05-2014 02:41 AM
  8. Ilasor's Avatar
    However, my whole point here is that the 830 basically adds more storage and a better camera, yet its expected price is twice that of the Moto G.
    My point is that both only share the display and s400. Apart from that, the 830 is better in nearly every way. For sure, a lot of these features are minor and not equally importent (hardware navigation, better sound, glance screen, wireless charging, more premium design, LTE) to anyone, but they add up together with the superior camera and more storage to an overall better device.
    With the recently announced The Moto G 2 (without LTE by the way) being released for 200€, the 330€ for the 830 is not double the price. It's not that overpriced as a lot of you guys claim, but it's not cheap eighter.

    The 820 released at $350 unlocked, I think, while the 920 was $450. Fast forward to 2014, and the 830 is supposed to be the successor, it costs $50-100 more than the 820 did when it launched, and it doesn't stack up with the Galaxy S5, from an internals standpoint.
    I don't know about U.S. pricing, but in Germany, the 820 was released for 499€ ($645) and the 920 for 649€ ($840). That's 170€ less for the 830! I also don't think that the 830 will be released for more than $350 in the US.

    The 630 should never have existed, because what we have here is a 730 and an 830 that are almost the exact same phone, and they're even close to the 630.
    Uhm, no. Apart from the S400 SoC, 730/830 are not even remotely close to the 630. I think that you emphasize the SoC to much and ignore everything else. That might be because you'd like to upgrade your old device, hoped for a successor and now the S400 is your the deal breaker. But comparing the 830 to other devices cheaper but also more expensive (one mini 2/ s5 mini), pricing is not too bad.
    Last edited by Ilasor; 09-05-2014 at 03:05 AM.
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    09-05-2014 02:54 AM
  9. AlexFlorin's Avatar
    L830 will fail because Moto G have same processor with same resolution.

    The only thing L830 have is better Camera.

    Tomorrow Moto G2 will announce and it has every thing identical as L830 except camera & still cost $200.

    I don't think L830 would be successful.
    It's just become an overpriced phone
    So what? that is not a strong argument.
    First the 830 runs WP 8.1 and Moto G run Android.
    Then the 830 has a much much better camera than the pathetic one you find the the Moto G, bigger battery which is also removable, considerably better construction and overall quality, wireless charging and probably the most important no space restriction compared to Moto G's limited and non expandable 8 and 16Gb.

    The thing with Moto G2 is that it will only be a minor step foreword.
    09-05-2014 03:37 AM
  10. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    One word: 630


    This phone, as beautiful as it may be, costs more then 3 times the 630, yet includes the same CPU.

    Sure there are marginal upgrades like 1GB of RAM, better cameras, and a slightly nicer display, but who will pay THAT much more for a handful of upgrades and a similar, if not identical experience?

    The 830 is a nice phone, don't get me wrong. I want it... Just not at the $350 US (approx) price point.

    That is nexus money for what is most certainly NOT a flagship device.

    That leaves me to my last point, and that is the marketing. This is the first time I have watched a presentation by MS/Nokia and felt genuinely misled. The word flagship should never have been uttered, and this phone should have been $199.

    Congrats on another dud, MS.
    you do realize ios,BB10,WP handle hardware differently than android
    i would have loved a SD800/801 instead of SD400 on the 830 as well but unlike android even the older dual core lumias with 512mb ram ,the iphone with dual core and 1gb ram can beat even most 4-8core android phones because of optimisation
    the older lumias also had the same cpu-Snapdragon S4 but i didnt see the 820,720 ,920 fail
    09-05-2014 03:52 AM
  11. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    Yeah the 730 will do well and is a worthy replacement for the 720.
    At least MS/Nokia got one phone priced and specced correctly.
    i dont fully agree,while the snapdragon 400 and the 5MP front cam are welcome upgrades, the lack of glance,capacitive keys,dedicated camera button are letdowns,i look forward to upgrading to the 830 in place of my 720 instead
    09-05-2014 03:55 AM
  12. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    I have to correct it Lumia 730 will sell great and it will kill Lumia 830.earlier atleast Lumia 720 had only 512 MB ram compared to Lumia 820 1 gb ram.now both Lumia 730 and 830 have same ram.so Lumia 830 will fail miserably compared to even Lumia 820.hail Lumia 730 real superman.
    i agree but only due to pricing,lack of glance,dedicated camera button,capacitive keys are let downs imho
    pricing wise etc yes the 730 is a very very solid buy
    09-05-2014 03:56 AM
  13. fdalbor's Avatar
    Look again. I own a 820 and I just bought a Moto G LTE for a backup phone. The cost of 209$ from Amazon. The 830 and the moto G LTE have the same processor, both have SD slots and the screens are similar, though the 830 is larger. Granted the 830 has a better camera, wireless charging (my 820 has that), camera key, and a nice build. But you are going to hear from a lot of people about the lack of a HIGHEND processor in the 830 while Microsofts advertising keep insisting this is a highend phone. I think if they had only put even a 600 in the phone very little would have been said about the lack of a HIGHEND processor. Especially when this phone has the same processor as the LOWEND 635 that you can get from AT&T or the Microsoft store for 99$. If they try to sell this for 400$ it will not sell and will confirm how bad Microsoft is at advertising; pushing this as a affordable highend phone. I really wanted this to be my next phone; but with the 400 processor I think I'll have to pass.
    09-05-2014 04:31 AM
  14. AlexFlorin's Avatar
    No, no, no. There are caveats all over the place going from the 920 to the 830.

    --The SoC doesn't seem to be better, and might actually be worse for commonplace tasks (which won't use the extra cores, putting the higher clock of the 920's SoC as the meaningful spec).
    Well what is the concrete difference will it actually be slower. That is what matters for anybody not "doesn't seem to be".

    --The built-in storage is halved (sure, the microSD is there, but some of us just plain don't care for the things).
    Who doesn't care about storage?? I see everybody mentions performance and games. Then storage is important.

    --The resolution is less, despite the larger screen.
    The resolution is much higher compared to lets say the 820. The name of this new phone is Lumia 830?? and we do have a Lumia 930 don't we??
    Anyway the difference in scree quality will not be a deal backer for anybody.

    --If you're on AT&T, you will be sacrificing wireless charging (AT&T won't sell devices with Qi charging because they are part of the PMA now).
    And is that the 830's problem??

    --The 920 one currently has doesn't require signing a 2-year contract.
    Yeah comparing and old phone with a new one in that regard makes a lot of sense.

    The 830's got camera resolution, microSD, and a removable back to claim as the big selling points to upgrade. Those aren't anything meaningful to most of us, when the cost is 2 years with the device. I'd rather stay out-of-contract and get a high-end device to replace my 920 than compromise hard for the 830, which I also find to be a bit less-attractive, because I don't like the aluminum.
    If i remember there are some decently priced micromax and similar other phones that come with poor cameras, poor quality and reliability sadly some have removable backs and card slots but they should be great for the "majority" of the people you are taking about.
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    09-05-2014 04:32 AM
  15. AlexFlorin's Avatar
    Its not just about games, its about general use of the phone, compare how fast a 1520 opens an app vs 630, the performance is noticeably smoother and faster.
    Well the 630 does have 4 times less ram so that is a major cause. Compare it to a 830 and the difference will be noticeably smaller.
    09-05-2014 04:39 AM
  16. ShridharM's Avatar
    Did you not read my post at the first place ? I compared 830 with Moto G and not G2
    1) "False" -- What false ? Is it not bigger or is it not better than Moto G?
    2) "False" -- Again..what False ? forget Moto G, even G2 can add upto 32 GB only compared to 128GB of 830 !!
    3) Agreed -- Design is certainly subjective but not build quality. 830 is more solidly built.
    4) Agreed -- Subjective.
    5) You've already agreed on this. Even Moto G2's camera is no match for 830's
    6) Agreed -- Not a lot of people know about Glance. But when you are out, comparing 830 (or should I say any Windows Phone) with anything else, you definitely know about it. Also, I don't think android apps (if any) would be able to do what Nokia's Glance (improved) does.
    7) Dolby Digital Sound -- It's not about whether I can/can't live without it but rather it's a feature that both G and G2 don't have. And let me remind you that this is actually a cool feature and it requires Licensing.
    8) Again -- We both agree on this one !!

    Now coming to Moto G2, tell me one feature that outperforms the 830 ! Rather, 830 beats G2 in multiple aspects.
    Also, regarding your point of Price of Moto G2, as far as I know, G2 only adds a larger screen, expandable storage and a little more MP camera (8 MP vs 5 MP). In fact, it has lesser number of sensors than Moto G -- Magnetometer and Ambient Light Sensor. Do you call it a successor/ upgrade to Moto G ? Without any significant improvement, you are bound to keep the price roughly the same !!
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    09-05-2014 04:58 AM
  17. salmanahmad's Avatar
    you do realize ios,BB10,WP handle hardware differently than android
    i would have loved a SD800/801 instead of SD400 on the 830 as well but unlike android even the older dual core lumias with 512mb ram ,the iphone with dual core and 1gb ram can beat even most 4-8core android phones because of optimisation
    the older lumias also had the same cpu-Snapdragon S4 but i didnt see the 820,720 ,920 fail
    We aren't comparing optimization with Android, Snapdragon 400 ensures a smooth experience on pretty much every OS(Android included).

    But it's a massive step down from Snapdeagon 800 and it won't support all the extended effects in games, nor all the extra features like passive voice detection.

    The 830 is being compared with devices with a similar price, the 830 was designed to be a flagship killer(or atleast a flagship experience) and the Android alternatives are much better than it(this is what people are trying to say).

    The 920 and 820 had powerful Snapdragon S4 professors, in fact the GPU being used in those devices will still probably beat Adreno 305 in graphical performance.

    830 is a disappointment because it didn't meet people's expectations, but it's not a bad phone by any means.

    But if you want to compare optimization of different OSes, make a separate thread for it, this isn't the place to compare OSes.
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    09-05-2014 05:23 AM
  18. Silviu Bogusevschi's Avatar
    Looks like 830 is really nice product, since people are raging so much.
    Or you like to talk about crap (in your opinion)?
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    09-05-2014 05:27 AM
  19. Richard Toft's Avatar
    Crikey! The was a lot of chatter regarding Cpu earlier has anyone checked out what this processor can do. Well peeps I have and I can't wait to give this device a go. Its all good in my opinion though I think wireless charging should be standard on this phone. Well done Microsoft & Nokia.
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    09-05-2014 05:55 AM
  20. wphashan's Avatar
    Well, I'm going to replace my old 920 with 830.
    09-05-2014 06:04 AM
  21. SAM 77's Avatar
    Blinkered
    09-05-2014 06:40 AM
  22. Shobin Drogan's Avatar
    I wouldn't be as mad if there is a good amount of phones to choose from, but this being windows phone, this whole year Nokia released about 3 phones, excluding the dual sim variants. I really hope HTC can keep the Windows phone OS alive, i wouldn't mind at all a HTC desire 820 WP variant with a proper new SoC 615.
    As of now, I think i'll get a 1520 just before christmas, i have to wait for the price to drop and its too big, but i can't live without glance.
    09-05-2014 07:14 AM
  23. tgp's Avatar
    Using the term "fail" is subjective. What constitutes a failure? We could say that if a single 830 model sells that it wasn't a failure. Or we could say that it needs to turn a profit in order to not be classified as a failure. However, WP as a whole would be called a failure using that criterion, as well as a lot of other products.

    How many 830s is Microsoft expecting to sell? Maybe that's the best gauge of failure we can use!
    09-05-2014 07:55 AM
  24. Rajat Lath's Avatar
    Do Microsoft/Nokia even know about incremental increase in specifications from low to high end?

    What if I'm interested in selfies as well as photography? 830 has better rear camera. 730 has better front camera. Do they expect me to buy both? I mean what's with niche phones? Why cant they release an all around phone for every price point. Glance in one, no glance in other. Equalizer in one, missing in others. Missing sensors. Missing SD card slots. Rich audio recording in some, missing in others. Dolby licensing in some, missing in others.Then using same chipset in every price point with same clock speed. I mean what are they even thinking?

    Personally, if I want a phone both for selfies and good photography than I'll opt for 730 over 830. Why? Because 6.7mp vs 10mp isn't much of a difference but 730 has f/1.9 which has an edge. Both have Zeiss lens. Only advantage of 830 is OIS plus a couple of more pixels. But again it has 1mp front camera. Same chipset and cost a fortune more. Figuratively speaking.
    830's biggest opponents aren't nexus5 or MotoG. It is 730. They failed the emphasis on photography when they put 1mp front camera on a phone with a relatively great rear camera.
    pal, Pureview tech: makes the simple camera far better.... yup i agree with you that they could have installed a better secondry cam
    09-05-2014 07:58 AM
  25. Rajat Lath's Avatar
    Lumia 830: if we talk about the price tag yes it could have been priced a little less like nearly like 275-290euroes (22k INR) but i guess the quality of material, design, some innovations like pureview or qi charging are somethings which might be reason of high price. i dont know wether most people bothers about how the phone looks but if we take a look at android phones with same specs like L830 or L730-735 they dont look that good and their build quality is also average (moto, some samsung s#it or local mobile companies like micromax, xolo). If we want a phone wid good specs, look, build quality then yes we will have to pay more and if we look at history of Nokia (now Microsoft Mobiles Oy :p) they never compromised wid their standards of quality and designs.
    i dono about others but i will always opt for BEST IN ALL CLASS. (in my budget :p)
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    09-05-2014 08:16 AM
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