09-17-2014 07:42 PM
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  1. Bruce Moellendick's Avatar
    According to the article written here about "Passive Voice activation for Cortana."

    "The one caveat to this feature is when it arrives, it will most likely only work on newer Snapdragon 800 and higher chipsets. The ability to leave microphones on for passive activation is not a trivial thing to enable on any phone (unless you're the NSA, we suppose). That means in designing and enabling this feature, Microsoft may have to somewhat fragment the Cortana experience, frustrating some users who have older hardware."

    So MS is promoting this phone knowing it won't support new updates...Nice. That should sell some phones.
    09-06-2014 07:49 PM
  2. realwarder's Avatar
    Yes, there was certainly what looked confusion with that aspect of the reporting. Honestly when I think about how useful it is, I question it. I'd probably prefer to know when the phone is listening for instructions anyway.

    And note that they could theoretically make any phone listen all the time if plugged in 😊
    Martin Asd likes this.
    09-06-2014 08:03 PM
  3. jpal12's Avatar
    The snapdragon 800 has a special low power voice activation chip, so that is why it only work on snapdragon 800 phones.
    09-06-2014 10:03 PM
  4. Liopleus Lin's Avatar
    That could have added a dedicated chip for passive voice activation like what Moto did with their 1st X, that would make 830 with a more completed "flagship" experience, living up to the "affordable flagship" slogan.
    09-06-2014 10:09 PM
  5. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    No, carrying a 2012-quality SoC is an automatic killer of "flagship" status, and having a same-size, same-OS, same-OEM device (Icon/930) carrying vastly-superior specs finishes off any glimmer of hope that carrying a Snapdragon 400 didn't kill. This is a mid-range phone AT BEST.
    09-06-2014 10:38 PM
  6. wiggum15's Avatar
    ...and a very expensive one...400 !!!
    09-07-2014 04:16 AM
  7. maclancer's Avatar
    ...and a very expensive one...400 !!!
    For that price you could get a 1520
    09-07-2014 04:46 AM
  8. wiggum15's Avatar
    yes, thats why the 830 is way too expensive.
    It should be around 300...not 400 !

    They clearly did the price totally wrong, just look at the new moto g or the new huawei phones, the 830 has the same or worse specs (maybe the rear camera is a bit better) but is 200 more expensive....thats MS/Nokia logic.
    09-07-2014 05:06 AM
  9. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    iphone 5s and galaxy note 3 price in india on release -$1300 and no one bats an eye,
    nokia releases 830 for $500-600 and everyone loses their minds
    09-07-2014 05:24 AM
  10. wiggum15's Avatar
    1. You cant compare a WP with a iPhone !
    2. 5s has better specs, was a true flagship and was released years ago.
    3. Note 3, look at the specs, true flasghip, was released years ago
    4. Sorry, not many care about the india market, its all about the US and Europa (Germany,France,Italy,Spain,UK)
    09-07-2014 05:29 AM
  11. chezm's Avatar
    iphone 5s and galaxy note 3 price in india on release -$1300 and no one bats an eye,
    nokia releases 830 for $500-600 and everyone loses their minds
    Top selling phones of the world vs a mid range 'flagship'...also everyone complains about the price...as they run to wait in line preparing to give up an arm and a leg.
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    09-07-2014 05:31 AM
  12. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    No, carrying a 2012-quality SoC is an automatic killer of "flagship" status, and having a same-size, same-OS, same-OEM device (Icon/930) carrying vastly-superior specs finishes off any glimmer of hope that carrying a Snapdragon 400 didn't kill. This is a mid-range phone AT BEST.
    ^^only valid if it ran android
    09-07-2014 07:57 AM
  13. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    1. You cant compare a WP with a iPhone !
    2. 5s has better specs, was a true flagship and was released years ago.
    3. Note 3, look at the specs, true flasghip, was released years ago
    4. Sorry, not many care about the india market, its all about the US and Europa (Germany,France,Italy,Spain,UK)
    why not???
    what do you mean not many care about the indian market,you are very very very mistaken if you think that way- we even got cyan whereas your high and mighty carrier phones didnt get updates for months at a time
    the 810 still doesnt have an update whereas the CV520 was one of the first to get cyan
    5S and note 3 may have better specs but wheres the real life difference??
    your points are invalid sorry
    ohh and if i cant compare a flagship iphone 5S with a 830 can i send photos via bluetooth or insert my sd card into the iphone
    as for "released years ago" yeah right

    as for not comparing an iphone with wp-thats the sorta attitude which puts wp down as if its a low standard os,compare the flagship wps and iphone 5s,see the cons of iphone and the insane pricing off contract
    09-07-2014 08:02 AM
  14. KhawarNadeem's Avatar
    I don't doubt the 830's performance. MS has yet to release a phone that couldn't handle most things you throw at it. They are good at software optimization. The problem is, the public doesn't see it that way. Android with its lag and market dominance has convinced people that 64 cores + 8 GB RAM is the only way an OS will perform smoothly. And Microsoft isn't in a position to convince people otherwise. WP doesn't NEED to get into the high-specs-at-low-price war, but it certainly HAS to if they want to increase their market share growth.
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    09-07-2014 08:14 AM
  15. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    I don't doubt the 830's performance. MS has yet to release a phone that couldn't handle most things you throw at it. They are good at software optimization. The problem is, the public doesn't see it that way. Android with its lag and market dominance has convinced people that 64 cores + 8 GB RAM is the only way an OS will perform smoothly. And Microsoft isn't in a position to convince people otherwise. WP doesn't NEED to get into the high-specs-at-low-price war, but it certainly HAS to if they want to increase their market share growth.
    what they need is better marketing etc
    they truly suck at marketing in india
    they marketed the nokia x like anything but only one ad for the 630, 530 and 1520
    they should have marketed mid range etc as well
    also the showroom staff at most retail stores dont stock or even speak of windows phones
    09-07-2014 08:25 AM
  16. KhawarNadeem's Avatar
    what they need is better marketing etc
    they truly suck at marketing in india
    they marketed the nokia x like anything but only one ad for the 630, 530 and 1520
    they should have marketed mid range etc as well
    also the showroom staff at most retail stores dont stock or even speak of windows phones
    It's actually the same here in Pakistan. The Nokia X billboards were everywhere, and the TVCs were there too. But I have yet to see a single advertisement about the 1520 or 930. If Samsung can put up the S5 advertisements everywhere here, Nokia can certainly do the same given that the people here absolutely swear by Nokia featurephones (before the smartphone revolution), and Nokia is seen as a brand for durability and consistency. Couple that with how HERE Maps don't work here, they are practically giving away a market to Android, especially Samsung. Samsung is everywhere here. :(
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    09-07-2014 08:34 AM
  17. Hisham mubarak's Avatar
    I don't know what you guys are discussing here.... The passive listening of Cortana only supports on high end devices such as 930, 1520, icon etc... If you need that then buy one of these phones,... 830 is expected as mid range device...

    I don't know what you guys are expecting, i have been waiting for a device like 830 for a long time... The main highlight i see in this phone is pure view camera, And it's only the upgraded version of 820...

    If you love android and hate windows then don't discuss here... Android is the most lagging os i have ever seen, Apple is better but still that misses many things such as Bluetooth SD card etc...

    Now I'm using a 620 which only have 512 mb ram but its faster than any other android phone with similar specification... I saw many of my friends having problem with Samsung galaxy s2, duos and many because its slow... These devices have better specs than 620... If you call me a WP fan boy then call me... "yes I'm"
    Last edited by Hisham mubarak; 09-07-2014 at 09:17 AM.
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    09-07-2014 08:57 AM
  18. LumiaWorld's Avatar
    I thought the Lumia 830 costs 330?
    Hisham mubarak likes this.
    09-07-2014 09:10 AM
  19. Hisham mubarak's Avatar
    I thought the Lumia 830 costs 330?
    yes, it is,..
    09-07-2014 09:18 AM
  20. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    I thought the Lumia 830 costs €330?
    Yes, before Europe's VAT (is there any bigger self-contradiction than the term value-added tax?). That will had 20%+ to the price, which means another €66 (more in some places), and knowing Europe, there are probably other fees to push it over €400.
    09-07-2014 10:00 AM
  21. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    It's actually the same here in Pakistan. The Nokia X billboards were everywhere, and the TVCs were there too. But I have yet to see a single advertisement about the 1520 or 930. If Samsung can put up the S5 advertisements everywhere here, Nokia can certainly do the same given that the people here absolutely swear by Nokia featurephones (before the smartphone revolution), and Nokia is seen as a brand for durability and consistency. Couple that with how HERE Maps don't work here, they are practically giving away a market to Android, especially Samsung. Samsung is everywhere here. :(
    same here,samsung markets their poorly made handsets and people moan after buying them only to buy another samsung and moan again(true for most of my friends) :D
    prasath1234 and KhawarNadeem like this.
    09-07-2014 02:16 PM
  22. prasath1234's Avatar
    Samsung are clear winners by adding features which are gimmicks nd they bombard their ad on indians especially I have seen galaxy grand 2 commercial almost 5 times everyday.
    Karthik Naik likes this.
    09-07-2014 02:26 PM
  23. Liam Hale's Avatar
    What are you all on about? The lumia 830 is at a sweet spot in the market where few dare to go at this moment. The 200-300 price range, they will definitely have more people coming to them with the large screen, design and camera. And when it comes to the hey cortana stuff, i know snapdragon 80x chips use little battery with the voice activation chips but that's still battery that could be used else where. P.S. did you guys not see they confirmed the price in euros!
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    09-07-2014 06:09 PM
  24. Jazmac's Avatar
    The 830 is behind? A quick reality check. Most don't buy the most feature rich android phone and it follows that most won't buy the more feature rich Windows phone. Which is why MS is building more low and mids than on the high end. High end smart phone buyers are a smaller percentage than mids and low end. If you only want high end, don't fool with the 830.
    09-08-2014 01:27 AM
  25. bilzkh's Avatar
    The Lumia 830 is for the people out there who buy older generation iPhones for $450+ off-contract.

    If you're a person who's aware of phone internals and cares about getting the most out of their money on a budget, then you're not the customer Microsoft's trying to reach with the Lumia 830.

    Microsoft is trying to snatch up the people who pay more for older generation iPhones. It is clear that these people have some money, though apparently not enough to buy the latest iPhones, but more $ than the ones buying Lumia 5xx/6xx and Moto G.

    The Lumia 830 is for that specific market, i.e. the people who are literally looking for an "affordable flagship" device. If this market's buying iPhone 4S, then it's clearly not attentive to specs, but rather, the experience of owning a premium smartphone. What matters in this context is what's apparent to the eye, i.e. the design, the camera, the accessories, the glamour, etc, not the spec sheet.

    The Lumia 830 is the perfect device for that market, the real variable however is whether Microsoft can actually communicate and market the device properly. Microsoft has this uncanny ability to present gold as horse crap.
    Jazmac likes this.
    09-08-2014 02:17 AM
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