1. TLRtheory's Avatar
    I don't wanna hear Q4... and while I was hopeful hearing "Sometime this month," I'm seeing now that it has just turned into "It'll get here when it gets here.... maybe October... or maybe sometime this holiday season. IDK LOL!"

    At this point I can seriously see the market specialists of these companies gathered around saying "IDK LOL!" as they get nothing done. As someone who doesn't even really like Apple, I hate that I even have to reference them as the correct way to do things. Sure they're manipulative bastards that are dis-honest about the numbers they present and have more "perceived value" than true value... but they know how to close a presentation properly by giving definitive rollout dates.

    #moreLumia showed off some very impressive stuff that I'm willing to shell out cash for... but the transition from presentation to release seems... cataclysmically unorganized .

    /rant
    09-14-2014 07:12 AM
  2. aximtreo's Avatar
    cataclysmically unorganized

    I love these two words. It's the best description of the update process for MS/Verizon that I have ever seen. I think I'll design a Christmas Card around these two words and send them to MS & Verizon Marketing Departments. I'm sure others will agree that it describes their OEM' as well.

    Thanks for making my day.
    Last edited by aximtreo; 09-14-2014 at 08:26 AM. Reason: sentence structure
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    09-14-2014 08:23 AM
  3. AV2RY's Avatar
    It won't happen, not soon I believe. For example the presentation and release days of 930 were very far from each other. Some couldn't wait anymore and bought another phones. Yes i know it happened to be right in time when MS was finally closing the acquisition of Nokia. But still they didnt give any specific day/date of release of 930, forget 930 they didnt day anything about any other Lamias'. Funny but "Coming soon.." was the day of release. Surprisingly (not highlighting HTC,but as WP phone) HTC did great job with One. Presented and released in the same day. MS (and former Nokia) is not even close to this
    09-14-2014 08:27 AM
  4. hasasimo's Avatar
    I have a strong dislike and disrespect for Apple but I can't argue with the OP at all... the forbidden fruit is leaps and bounds ahead of MS/Nokia in this specific regard.
    09-14-2014 09:33 PM
  5. Red_Dragon23's Avatar
    Yeah, your title says it all.

    It's frustrating because as I was pointing out in my other thread I was considering another phone which has a confirmed release date whereas this Lumia 830 which I'm also waiting for has none.
    09-14-2014 09:45 PM
  6. GCrane1982's Avatar
    Apple even manage to have a world wide release date, all markets, all available on the same day. Yes they only have the one handset (sometimes 2) that they launch every year so it would make it easier for them however Nokia/MSFT has never been any good at this.

    I think it comes down to them not mass producing any handsets. With Apple they know they will sell millions so it isn't much of a gamble to have a couple million devices sitting in storage ready to go, where I think Microsoft/Nokia only make a limited amount and stagger the release by country and carrier so that they don't have to write off $$$ in unsold stock if it doesn't sell well. Good for them, crap for the consumer.

    Saying that I still think that all devices should be available to purchase within 30 days of making an announcement, even if you have to buy it outright from the Microsoft store.
    09-14-2014 10:26 PM
  7. Harry Wild's Avatar
    Microsoft/Nokia seems like to leave the potential buyer hanging with no definite release date. And if they do; they say 4th quarter when they announce new models in June/July! LOL! So they expect you to seriously wait for another 4-5 months while Apple makes an announcement and the release date is 10 days after the announcement! Now, in terms of marketing impact and sales; Apple has it made! People stay up 2-3 A.M. just to order the iPhone or wait in line at an Apple store for 3 days just to buy it! Microsoft just does the opposite! They do anti-promotion with a long unknown time frame release technique!
    09-14-2014 10:59 PM
  8. Red_Dragon23's Avatar
    Apple even manage to have a world wide release date, all markets, all available on the same day. Yes they only have the one handset (sometimes 2) that they launch every year so it would make it easier for them however Nokia/MSFT has never been any good at this.

    I think it comes down to them not mass producing any handsets. With Apple they know they will sell millions so it isn't much of a gamble to have a couple million devices sitting in storage ready to go, where I think Microsoft/Nokia only make a limited amount and stagger the release by country and carrier so that they don't have to write off $$$ in unsold stock if it doesn't sell well. Good for them, crap for the consumer.

    Saying that I still think that all devices should be available to purchase within 30 days of making an announcement, even if you have to buy it outright from the Microsoft store.
    My how I wish this were true. I think that the same theory (Off Topic) Should be applied to vehicles. Never understood manufacturers showing off an amazing car and then releasing it one year later. It just kills a huge part of the hype.
    09-14-2014 11:11 PM
  9. spiff_p239's Avatar
    I couldn't agree with you more. I've been keeping an eye on the Moto X for kicks and even seeing that it would be released "sometime this month" disappointed me. Finding out that the 830 will come to AT&T "before the holiday season" just makes me mad. I'm impatient, as I'm sure many other people are, so not knowing how long the wait really is often means that I lose interest in a device. I know they had to announce something to keep the focus on WP at least a little bit, but showing off hardware but not giving a release date just isn't enough.
    09-16-2014 08:55 PM
  10. lafn's Avatar
    So you are all saying that manufacturers shouldn't say anything about their product until it is ready to ship... like Apple does. Then you wouldn't have to wait.
    09-16-2014 09:01 PM
  11. jasqid's Avatar
    I have to agree. One thing Apple does that MS should note is having the announcement event (Sept 30) and launching the product the following week.

    I remember the surface announcement was in June I think and it launched in October.

    Sent from my Surface with Windows RT using Tapatalk
    09-16-2014 09:04 PM
  12. tgp's Avatar
    So you are all saying that manufacturers shouldn't say anything about their product until it is ready to ship... like Apple does. Then you wouldn't have to wait.
    Apple has released their products, at least the iPhone, so regularly the last number of years that no announcement is necessary. We already know within a very small window when the iPhone 6s will be released.
    09-16-2014 09:41 PM
  13. Shawn Kuhn's Avatar
    Anyone remember the incredibly misogynistic Xbox One "Honey, you can watch your stupid woman movies and I can play games on it!" ads? What the hell is going on in Redmond? Are they seriously this culturally retarded?
    Whoa killer, I can relate to my wife watching movies im not interested in (or stupid woman movies, as you call them) while I want to play video games. I'm their target demographic. Not everyone has the cultural biases you do. ;)
    09-20-2014 06:58 PM

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