[zweible]

On the Microsoft site, the status has been changed from "Under Testing" to "Under Development" for the Cyan update. This sounds like a step backwards to those waiting for the update.

[Indistinguishable]

On the Microsoft site, the status has been changed from "Under Testing" to "Under Development" for the Cyan update. This sounds like a step backwards to those waiting for the update.

For those too lazy to Bing: Availability in North America - Nokia

I doubt anything has changed. It's not a step back. Just Verizon using their league of lawyers to force Microsoft to change the language on the website to make Verizon look better. "Under Development" makes it sound like the ball is in Microsoft's court. Which is, of course, a steamy pile of BS.

[Kieta]

Interesting, as the ones in Canada still say under testing. I just wanna know who development is and if she can move out of the way so the update can freely move from under her.

[WarDamnEagle09]

It's like Microsoft WANTS me to jump back to Android or iOS.

[grafixguy#AC]

I'm seriously considering that move now. I really enjoy WP but enough's enough.

[jazz70]

"under development" = whenever Verizon gets off it's lazy *** and decides to push out the update

at least some change on that page is something I guess, after having cyan 6-7 months Verizon is rocketing forward into their "under development phase" from their rigorous "under testing phase"

[Indistinguishable]

Just browsed through the other continents listed on http://www.microsoft.com/en/mobile/support/software-update/wp8-software-update/

Verizon is the ONLY carrier with phones listed as "Under Development." That includes major CDMA carriers in other parts of the world. This is merely another BS attempt to save face for Verizon. Just like Belfiore's tweet about "Verizon taking quality seriously." Bunch of malarkey...

[Indistinguishable]

Update: Verizon Lumia Cyan update reverts to 'Under Development' as delay continues | Windows Central

"Nokia confirmed with me that the reason Verizon is holding up the Cyan firmware update for the Lumia Icon is because Verizon is demanding that their phone apps (VZ Navigator, My Verizon, Voicemail, etc.) work "perfectly" on the device before they will approve the Cyan firmware update. They sent the Cyan firmware update back to Microsoft for "development changes" to ensure this happens."

Ridiculous...

[Kieta]

Those are the apps I delete first after resetting my phone lol. Except voicemail.

[psiu_glen]

Those are the apps I delete first after resetting my phone lol. Except voicemail.

And only because they strip out native VVM and force their BS in there.

[feeked]

It would make sense if these developments were taking place in April or June at the latest. It's simply outrageous the snails pace that Microsoft and Verizon are operating on. Yeah, I guess it sucks that I guess Verizon wants their **** to work, or whatever their real reason is, but Microsoft has to ******* play ball by their rules, and do it with some ******* urgency.

Jesus Christ, failure in every sense of the word on Microsoft.

[Indistinguishable]

It would make sense if these developments were taking place in April or June at the latest. It's simply outrageous the snails pace that Microsoft and Verizon are operating on. Yeah, I guess it sucks that I guess Verizon wants their **** to work, or whatever their real reason is, but Microsoft has to ******* play ball by their rules, and do it with some ******* urgency.

Jesus Christ, failure in every sense of the word on Microsoft.

Oye...

Verizon wants Microsoft to change their firmware so that Verizon's OWN crappy apps will work better. At least that's the story we're being given.

Verizon could update their OWN app if it was really a major concern. Making app changes is much easier than entire firmware changes.

Thanks to Microsoft, we were able to use WP8.1 eight months ago. Pretty much EVERY OTHER carrier is currently running WP8.1 with Cyan just fine. You'd have to ignore a lot of facts here to blame Microsoft.

[GoJays]

Oye...

Verizon wants Microsoft to change their firmware so that Verizon's OWN crappy apps will work better. At least that's the story we're being given.

Verizon could update their OWN app if it was really a major concern. Making app changes is much easier than entire firmware changes.

Thanks to Microsoft, we were able to use WP8.1 eight months ago. Pretty much EVERY OTHER carrier is currently running WP8.1 with Cyan just fine. You'd have to ignore a lot of facts here to blame Microsoft.

Those apps suck in WP8.0

[jazz70]

bugs and problems with cyan on their network I could of understood better even though it has taken forever but the reason for this long delay is the bloat-ware that most people uninstall as soon as you get a new phone/update

just when you think Verizon couldn't care less about their WP customers you see something like this, just absolutely ridiculous

[pursuit2550]

It's like Microsoft WANTS me to jump back to Android or iOS.

They do, I did this weekend. Was away from Android for far to long. WP isnt changing overnight and they have alot of changing to do. Didnt VZW drop WP's at one point? Wonder if they are trying to do the same thing again. Tell you the truth I dont remember seeing any WP on display at the VZW store I went to. If they had any they were hiding them or something.

[blushrts717]

I'm becoming more convinced there is a hardware bug with the phone. If I can swing it at work, I'm going android with an LG G3. It's been nice WP.

[xandros9]

I'm becoming more convinced there is a hardware bug with the phone. If I can swing it at work, I'm going android with an LG G3. It's been nice WP.

what phone, this is for Verizon's Lumia lineup as a whole.

[raqball]

Man I feel bad for you guys..

I sold my Icon and ditched Verizon a while back. I am currently happy on AT&T with the Lumia 830..

I do wonder if Verizon wants to bake their crapware into the OS so users can't uninstall it? That to me would make the most sense as to why they are having the so called issues updating their apps for Cyan..

[grafixguy#AC]

This seems like a subtle way for Microsoft to point the finger back at Verizon without violating any contracts or NDAs and it makes perfect sense. They put their own bloatware above everything else and lie about it every day to users. It's disgusting and shortsighted. They want Microsoft to hack perfectly working firmware in order to make their own apps work "perfectly" instead of updating them themselves to work with the new firmware.

[DavidinCT]

And only because they strip out native VVM and force their BS in there.

Really wish they would use the internal one, their VVM app is a piece of sh*t, I had a VM in there for over a week, that it did not notify me about. Yea, a very important high end job I applied for, I had to take a job for $50K less because of it....Yea, pretty pissed off about that crappy app.

They do, I did this weekend. Was away from Android for far to long. WP isnt changing overnight and they have alot of changing to do. Didnt VZW drop WP's at one point? Wonder if they are trying to do the same thing again. Tell you the truth I dont remember seeing any WP on display at the VZW store I went to. If they had any they were hiding them or something.

Yea, my LG G2 with a broken display came in today...a nice white one... I have all the parts ready to fix it (about a 1-2 hour job, done it before on this model phone), but, now I just need the time to do it..(all for under $100).

Think I am going to play with this phone for a while...till Cyan hits the ICON...and that could be a while..

[stephen_az]

Update: Verizon Lumia Cyan update reverts to 'Under Development' as delay continues | Windows Central



Ridiculous...

Until the author of that quote comes up with names and dates, all it amounts to is yet another unsubstantiated rumor (being polite). Without such it means absolutely nothing. Seriously, does anyone really think someone at Nokia, which is no longer the responsible company anyway, is going to tell a person stuff that would be posted in a forum and get them fired? The under development part is true. As for why, that is an unknown. Personally though, in spite of all the whining here, if a company that has NOT been late on the previous updates and is very late this time has pushed the update back to Microsoft, and also happens to use different network hardware, I would be inclined to think that perhaps there might really be a problem with the update. Of course, if people would just prefer to throw tantrums, go right ahead. I am sure VZW and Microsoft are lurking here waiting to read the next "VZW is evil/I am leaving" post. Yes, that was sarcasm....

[jazz70]

the problem with the theory about it being some showstopper bug holding back the release is that this is nothing new, Verizon has delayed releases in the past to make sure their bloat-ware is front and center on their phones, the only new thing this time imho is the low WP priority + bloat-ware concerns = a much longer than usual delay

I was in the soak test program for Motorola devices for @4 years when I used droid on Verizon, we would have the updates for weeks/months working flawlessly with no problems and ppl started asking why no OTA release

we were all under a NDA in the soak test program so we could never really discuss the problem with the OTA release outside of those feedback forums but the news we would get from Motorola about the delay with the OTA usually had to do with Verizon's concerns about their bloat-ware, they didn't like us being able to uninstall or even having the ability to hide it were sticking points that had to be addressed with Verizon until they would sign off on the OTA

[Indistinguishable]

Until the author of that quote comes up with names and dates, all it amounts to is yet another unsubstantiated rumor (being polite). Without such it means absolutely nothing.

If Daniel Rubino says that he has independent sources that confirm the news, i'm inclined to believe him:

Windows Central has been able to confirm independently through sources that this is indeed the holdup for Lumia Cyan on Verizon.

I trust Rubino & Windows Central to determine what is "unsubstantiated" and what isn't. I do have a hard time believing that the hold up is that the Firmware doesn't work well with Verizon's apps. I don't have a hard time believing that Verizon is throwing their weight around to force Microsoft to bake more of Verizon's crap into the OS. See "Back Up Assistant Plus" - Verizon's crappy contacts back up that hardly works and is unnecessary on all Windows Phones. It wasn't forced onto our phones until WP8.

Personally though, in spite of all the whining here, if a company that has NOT been late on the previous updates and is very late this time has pushed the update back to Microsoft, and also happens to use different network hardware, I would be inclined to think that perhaps there might really be a problem with the update.

Caps for emphasis because it's blindingly obvious yet you keep ignoring it for some reason. EVERY OTHER CARRIER HAS RELEASED WP8.1/CYAN. Do you get it? CDMA or GSM - Every carrier has released it. Verizon is the single most profitable Carrier in the world. And they're last to deliver the update that even the smallest of carriers have delivered. But this is obviously Microsoft's fault...

Okay...

[dkediger]

^ Pretty much this.....Only would add that it is also all of the Nokia line on Verizon as well, not just the Icon. This is high level gamesmanship: Verizon is using the Nokia buyout to extract concessions/ a new contract with Microsoft Mobile. The Cyan update was just the first/best opportunity to do so.

[jlzimmerman]

Apps get updated to suit firmware, not the other way around. This on top of the fact that nobody uses VZ's sh!tty apps that they want baked in to make it more like Android bloatware.

It's like Verizon WANTS me to jump back to Android or iOS.

Fixed.


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