[PFSP]

There are a couple of news articles stating that the Idol 4S Windows will be available in Europe by Q2
This is good news IMO

https://mspoweruser.com/alcatel-supp...pe-in-q2-2017/

[anon(50597)]

Excellent news!

Sent from my Alcatel Idol 4S

[greedo_greedy]

Great news for my European friends :)

[svenhassel]

I would be very interested in acquiring this phone in Germany, as I really want a W10 phone with a fingerprint reader, and the HP X3 is insanely expensive.

How is the camera doing? Still very slow to focus?

[anon(50597)]

I would be very interested in acquiring this phone in Germany, as I really want a W10 phone with a fingerprint reader, and the HP X3 is insanely expensive.

How is the camera doing? Still very slow to focus?

The camera is OK. Mine doesn't take too long to focus. It's average I would say.

Sent from my Alcatel Idol 4S

[PFSP]

The camera is OK. Mine doesn't take too long to focus. It's average I would say.

I agree. I have been pretty pleased with the camera in all. I know reviews have downgraded this phone a little for the camera, but it is fine for most everyday use I think.

[PFSP]

Glad to see this is official but 599 Euro price is disappointing.

Far be it from me to tell Alcatel how to run their business, but that is awfully expensive in my opinion. I don't like the high price to start and then massive reductions when the phone doesn't sell later on cycle. Why not find a reasonable price point that will attract customers. Instead you either pay a large sum early and feel cheated when it goes on clearance or wait and then may never buy it because new phones are coming out with better specs and you don't want to buy an old phone. Maybe I am overreacting here, but it would be nice to have Windows Phones (especially great ones like this one) marketed in a way that generated a lot of sales and increased market share....

[RumoredNow]

599 Euro price is disappointing

How much of that is VAT?

[tgp]

How much of that is VAT?

It's not only VAT, but the EU requires a 2 year manufacturer warranty vs the normal one year. Someone has to pay for the extra year.

[nate0]

^that's ^ good and bad...

[tgp]

^that's ^ good and bad...

Yes I know. Is it pro consumer, or isn't it?

[editguy]

Yes I know. Is it pro consumer, or isn't it?

I think it's perceived to be pro-consumer, but I don't think it really is if it adds cost. Frankly, any failures I've had with consumer electronics has happened during the first year. I know it can happen later, but I think first year is most common.

[tgp]

I think it's perceived to be pro-consumer, but I don't think it really is if it adds cost. Frankly, any failures I've had with consumer electronics has happened during the first year. I know it can happen later, but I think first year is most common.

Normally, the cost of warranty goes up the older the device gets. I've seen it when purchasing extended warranty for HP servers. I think devices generally quit working almost right away if defective. I've had them quit too in the first year, but it is generally almost right away, at least within the first few days.

I'm not convinced either that the EU's 2 year warranty policy is ultimately pro consumer. The consumer is paying for it, whether or not it is actually used.

[editguy]

I think devices generally quit working almost right away if defective. I've had them quit too in the first year, but it is generally almost right away, at least within the first few days.

I agree, that's been my experience also.