09-16-2013 02:05 PM
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  1. Mellifluous's Avatar
    FYI 8.1 RT preview is no longer downloadable from Microsoft's website, and I assume will no longer be until release proper. A chat with Technical Support confirmed this was the case, and they pointed out that 8.1 preview is still available for normal PCs as the ISOs are still available.

    I know because I had to do some troubleshooting yesterday and installed it once in the morning (worked) then wasn't able to on my second attempt in the evening. Slightly annoying as they didn't ever advertise a withdrawal date to my knowledge.
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    09-05-2013 04:10 AM
  2. WanderingTraveler's Avatar
    Well, look at the bright side. You are now one of the few people who know about RT 8.1 preview being pulled. And, we're closer to seeing the official RT 8.1 release.

    Thanks for the info, then!
    09-05-2013 05:02 AM
  3. omgitsnick's Avatar
    I thought you could only get the RT Preview through Windows Store? And also I thought if you've already installed RT Preview, it overwrites the restore partition with 8.1, so when you do a restore you'll reset to factory with the 8.1 OS?
    09-05-2013 09:20 AM
  4. Mellifluous's Avatar
    I thought you could only get the RT Preview through Windows Store? And also I thought if you've already installed RT Preview, it overwrites the restore partition with 8.1, so when you do a restore you'll reset to factory with the 8.1 OS?
    You're correct, it installs through the Store, but it won't show up in the store to download unless you download a small installer beforehand that 'tells' the Store to display 8.1.

    Again, correct on the 2nd one but I have a 8.0 backup on a USB stick which I made before installing 8.1. Couldn't see an easy way to make one for 8.1, though.
    09-05-2013 10:38 AM
  5. inteller's Avatar
    not convinced that 8.1 RTM will come through the store. They need to have a way to push it to all devices and I'm pretty sure something through Windows Update is going to push out 8.1. Leaving it up to the store would be pretty dumb.
    09-05-2013 10:46 AM
  6. Mellifluous's Avatar
    I'm just talking about the RT version (the non x86 and x64 one). I imagine the x86 and x64 version is different as there are ISOs available f
    09-05-2013 10:54 AM
  7. jhoff80's Avatar
    not convinced that 8.1 RTM will come through the store. They need to have a way to push it to all devices and I'm pretty sure something through Windows Update is going to push out 8.1. Leaving it up to the store would be pretty dumb.
    My guess is it'll happen the same way as the Preview, a Windows Update that triggers the Store to notify you a ton about the release. Maybe they'll even start downloading it in the background like with app updates.

    The reason it's so important to happen that way is that they really want to push users into the Store, and forcing an update through there is an excellent way to do that.
    09-05-2013 12:34 PM
  8. berty6294's Avatar
    You need a Microsoft account to download from the store. A lot of Windows 8 users don't have a Microsoft account and just use a local account.
    09-05-2013 12:38 PM
  9. Dos101's Avatar
    I take it no one kept the .msi file you had to download to enable the preview to be downloaded from the Store? Just got my replacement Surface in, don't want to go back to 8.0
    09-06-2013 02:08 PM
  10. jhoff80's Avatar
    I take it no one kept the .msi file you had to download to enable the preview to be downloaded from the Store? Just got my replacement Surface in, don't want to go back to 8.0
    On XDA-Developers, someone had a link to the downloadable file and said installing it now doesn't work, the Store never shows the preview still.
    09-06-2013 03:22 PM
  11. jhoff80's Avatar
    You need a Microsoft account to download from the store. A lot of Windows 8 users don't have a Microsoft account and just use a local account.
    Even if you have a local account, you can sign into each app individually. And do you really think Microsoft isn't dying to get those users to put in their credentials for Store access, in addition to all of the other Microsoft services it provides? Anything they can do that pushes users to sign in is better for them.
    09-06-2013 03:23 PM
  12. Dos101's Avatar
    On XDA-Developers, someone had a link to the downloadable file and said installing it now doesn't work, the Store never shows the preview still.
    Ah ok, thanks. Looks like I'll just have to create a recovery drive from my current 8.1 Surface and use that to install Windows 8.1 on the new Surface.

    Even if you have a local account, you can sign into each app individually. And do you really think Microsoft isn't dying to get those users to put in their credentials for Store access, in addition to all of the other Microsoft services it provides? Anything they can do that pushes users to sign in is better for them.
    And to add to that, when you initially set up Windows 8 the option to create a local account is downplayed to the point where it's a button with small font on the bottom of the screen. I'm sure the majority of average consumers signed in with a Microsoft account to begin with anyways. Even if they have a local account, there is always a way for Microsoft to push the update out through the Store or even Windows Update.
    09-06-2013 04:05 PM
  13. tk-093's Avatar
    Doh! Just sent back a work Surface RT I had because my sister got me a $199 Surface RT. It's still in the box and I was going to put 8.1 preview on it tonight. Worst. Timing. Ever.
    09-06-2013 05:05 PM
  14. Guzzler3's Avatar
    Well, I would recommend that you just hang tight for the official release. Besides, MS is still fixing things as we sit. I know, it's about a month from now. But remember the old saying "Good things come to those who wait". ;)
    09-06-2013 10:09 PM
  15. quantum tao's Avatar
    I bet Microsoft caves and releases it early. its already leaked, except for rt. rt will probably be leaked this weekend.
    edit: its out
    Last edited by quantum tao; 09-08-2013 at 04:43 PM.
    09-06-2013 10:53 PM
  16. jhoff80's Avatar
    It's really still not ready for general end-users. There's still some bugs that need to be fixed, and some drivers that will need updates. That's the whole reason for the delay in the first place, and having used the RTM on my Pro for the past week or so and experiencing this stuff, I'd be shocked if that changes.
    09-07-2013 12:29 AM
  17. quantum tao's Avatar
    09-09-2013 03:22 PM
  18. tk-093's Avatar
    That isn't for RT.
    09-09-2013 03:29 PM
  19. berty6294's Avatar
    Ah ok, thanks. Looks like I'll just have to create a recovery drive from my current 8.1 Surface and use that to install Windows 8.1 on the new Surface.



    And to add to that, when you initially set up Windows 8 the option to create a local account is downplayed to the point where it's a button with small font on the bottom of the screen. I'm sure the majority of average consumers signed in with a Microsoft account to begin with anyways. Even if they have a local account, there is always a way for Microsoft to push the update out through the Store or even Windows Update.
    I can tell you, when Geek Squad does personalized setups for people, they just set up a local account unless the person purchases Office in which they would make a Microsoft account with the client. But 9/10 times they will still send the user home with a local account signed in. Plus with just about half of Windows 8 computers that come back in to Geek Squad (for service) are still only local accounts. And yes you can sign into each individual app, but you cant download any new ones without signing in.
    09-09-2013 03:29 PM
  20. quantum tao's Avatar
    That isn't for RT.
    yeah, looks like they're not letting go of the 8.1 rt rtm, i'm not sure why but I think it might be driver issues. just a hunch
    09-09-2013 09:20 PM
  21. Dos101's Avatar
    The Windows RT 8.1 image leaked, so if one is so inclined they can inject the drivers into the image and upgrade that way (which is what I'm doing right now).

    Windows RT 8.1 RTM leaks to the web - Neowin
    09-10-2013 12:29 AM
  22. quantum tao's Avatar
    The Windows RT 8.1 image leaked, so if one is so inclined they can inject the drivers into the image and upgrade that way (which is what I'm doing right now).
    Ditto, and working good so far. I was worried about bricking it but couldn't resist. ie11 desktop did crash while making this post but recovered nicely.
    09-10-2013 08:54 AM
  23. Dos101's Avatar
    Ditto, and working good so far. I was worried about bricking it but couldn't resist. ie11 desktop did crash while making this post but recovered nicely.
    Got mine working late last night and so far so good. Just need to see if there's any battery life improvements.

    IE has been solid for me so far. Crashed repeatedly in 8.1 Preview when using gmail and google docs. Right now multiple docs open and no crashes.
    09-10-2013 04:09 PM
  24. Jazmac's Avatar
    Doh! Just sent back a work Surface RT I had because my sister got me a $199 Surface RT. It's still in the box and I was going to put 8.1 preview on it tonight. Worst. Timing. Ever.
    The first RT I got was a 16 gig version when it first dropped. I sent it back too but I missed having it. A lot. So when the Ebay sale came around, I grabbed another but the 64 gig version. Its good to have it back. Love it.
    09-14-2013 01:03 PM
  25. Coreldan's Avatar
    The first RT I got was a 16 gig version when it first dropped. I sent it back too but I missed having it. A lot. So when the Ebay sale came around, I grabbed another but the 64 gig version. Its good to have it back. Love it.
    I'm pretty sure the smallest Surface RT was 32gb.
    09-14-2013 03:04 PM
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