05-29-2013 02:21 PM
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  1. Mystictrust's Avatar
    It's not a new thing. Pretty much all PC games that I've bought many years ago had CD keys with them.

    MS said that they will be presenting a solution for used games. We just have to wait for when they're ready to reveal it.

    I imagine that you'll be able to remove it from your hard drive and then give that ownership key to someone else. MS also did mention trading games. So I bet there's going to be some sort of used game marketplace that they set up where you could buy, sell, or trade games.
    ah yes, CD keys have been around since forever (Hello original Starcraft) but usually games still required the disc and you still could bring it to a friend's house and install+play with your own key. Using the Starcraft example, you just couldn't get on multiplayer without two separate keys. Now, with modern Skyrim as my example, the CD is not needed and even to play single player I must be logged in with my account, the one I first registered with. Might as well have just downloaded it from Steam since the DVD is worthless (it downloaded what seemed like almost all the content anyway, the disc didn't make for a quicker install).

    CD key or not, you still used to be able to take the disc along with you elsewhere to play on another system. Of course, times changed and everything seems to be like Steam now. So Xbox is catching up to that with their physical discs as well.

    And my issue isn't with used games or trading. I know they'll have that. I was more responding to the idea of discs at your friend's house. I'll be fine if I can deactivate before going to a friend's house so he can play on his profile or if he's not connected his console.
    05-22-2013 09:36 AM
  2. Coreldan's Avatar
    And my issue isn't with used games or trading. I know they'll have that. I was more responding to the idea of discs at your friend's house. I'll be fine if I can deactivate before going to a friend's house so he can play on his profile or if he's not connected his console.
    I could figure if you would log in to your account with your friends xbox temporarily, this wouldnt be an issue of any kind as your account would be linked to the right to play the game. Without a disc though I guess the problem would be having to download it on the spot, something that on my connection would take all day.
    05-22-2013 09:40 AM
  3. Courtney S's Avatar
    Yeah. I would hope so Coreldan. The way I imagine this working is if the game is tied both to the account holder's main console, and the account itself. That way, for families, whoever buys the game, all profiles with an account on his/her home console will be able to play it. Also, you can sign into your account on a friends console, and play the game there. If this is how the system is implemented, I will have absolutely no reason to be upset.

    With regards to the used game situation, I have no idea what's going to be worked out. I like the idea of you being able to remove the game from your account, and maybe you are given a code for the game which you can then sell. Whoever buys your code would then be able to submit it on their account and activate the game.
    05-22-2013 10:35 AM
  4. MFmonster's Avatar
    The PS4 will be better for gaming. Microsoft is concentrating on other stuff, not gaming. Gaming is just one of many concentrations in the Xbox One. On PS4 it is the MAIN goal. You HAVE to respect the PS4 as a gamer because that is the only thing you want in a system.
    SMH. Some people have blinders on. Your comment is ten kinds of silly. It is all your opinion and based on nothing but your opinion. Listen to yourself. You don't even know what the PS4 looks like, but you proclaimed it "better for gaming". We still know very little about the consoles. Do you think the PS4 will "only" play games? The ps3 does much more than gaming, so why would Sony approach this differently? Both will probably say it is a video game console first, but then both will probably share all the other things the consoles will do for the household. Not so different.
    Also how can I respect something I know little about. I haven't seen the PS4 and it is not available for sale, but you suggest we "HAVE" to respect it. Also, to say the only thing anyone wants from the One or PS4 is gaming is also garbage and nonsense. I want many things from the devices. I want games, exclusives, and I would love to have the ability to not have to switch back to the cable box for TV. I want ease of use for media in my home. Not just for me, but my family.

    This is just like the "always on" nonsense the last couple months. People were making comments and already vilified the Xbox One before they had anything concrete. I already decided that common sense is far from common and the majority of people base thoughts and decisions off of specualtion and unknowns.

    I am a skeptic just like most others, but to speak ill of the Xbox One in regards to gaming at this point is ignorant. The idea the PS4 has the Xbox One beat because of "gamezz" is so silly I have no idea why I engage. The reveal yesterday was just a reveal of the system and it was well reported that specifics and games will be highlighted at E3. The talk of exclusives in this generation is subjective as well. The 360 has several, however, many are kinect exclusive and that rubs many the wrong way. But guess what, that is ok, and thank goodness we have a choice. This is such a tired subject especially so early in the announcement. Yes, announced and not released. There are so many uknowns with BOTH consoles yet people already behave and type as if they know the future.
    05-22-2013 12:24 PM
  5. Ridemyscooter86's Avatar
    yeah, I would wait and see as the console wars pan out and wait for E3 before jumping to any conclusions about which console is better. Both MS and sony said they are both going to reveal more at E3. As it stands now, I like the xbox one a little better because of all of the other media things it can do that the ps4 can't. Sure the ps4 gpu is supposed to be slightly better than the xbox gpu, but it won't matter in the end because cross-platform games will still look the same. Take the ps3 vs xbox 360 for example, the ps3 blows the xbox 360 away in terms of its tech specs but none of the games actually look or play better, actually, I would go and say that by far, most of the cross-platform games look and play better on the xbox 360 because MS made it easier to code for. The only games that look better on the PS3 are first party titles and that's pretty much it.

    Both new consoles look interesting, although I don't get the hate with the xbox one because in my opinion, ms did everything right. The controller looks good, the kinect interface and multimedia/multitasking looks fantastic, the console looks decent, I mean they didn't take much risks but they did everything right, so why are people complaining? Why don;t people ever use the same argument for pc gaming? My pc is "always on, always connected" and it causes no problems. I can't really do used games on a pc with steam, so consoles definitely have a leg up on that, you can't take a steam game and sell it...so whats the problem with consoles, at least they let you do that. My PC has multimedia and streaming, it also has fast multitasking and entertainment, so how come nobody complains about this stuff on a PC or Mac, but the second a console does it, its no longer for "gamers" and its not a "true gaming machine".

    From what I've seen, Microsoft has been much more up front about the xbox one than sony has about the ps4, I mean, at least MS showed what the freakin console looks like! Also, I would expect as well that the xbox one will be way more future proof than the ps4 just because MS significantly changed and updated the xbox 360 throughout its life cycle and sony didn't really do that much with the ps4, in fact they downgraded it when they removed linux support,lol. Also, I would rather leave the OS software to a SOFTWARE company like MS than a company who has been nothing but awful with software, like sony.
    05-22-2013 01:34 PM
  6. Courtney S's Avatar
    Very well said both of you. It's so refreshing to hear logical and thought out arguments for (and against) the XO, as opposed to the mass hysteria about rumors that have no backing.

    It is pretty disheartening to hear all the bull about how bad the XO is going to be for gaming and how MS doesn't care about gamers. I am definitely excited about the system, as a gaming console, and I'm very excited for the capabilities outside of gaming that will be provided.
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    05-22-2013 02:43 PM
  7. Malcolm Clement's Avatar
    ...sigh.... please.....
    so can you use skype, check your movie info online and watch netflix and message your friends offline?........ please. it obvious Xbox live will download content to keep it updated, like the trending feature they said. if people actully used their brain it would be obvious what it meant with the first answer about how it will require or not connection all the time. and Phil Harrison can be whatever he wants be he doesnt know about it, he says "I believe its 24h" so that means he doesnt know the answer. Im sure Xbox team dont expect you to buy Xbox One and never have it online, but its not like it will explode, or it will stop working if you dont update X tv feature, there are alot of things that work only with internet so its imposible to be offline for those... thats the problema with new technology, like a Smartphone, would you buy one if you wont have an internet connection never? you cant even setup an account to download an App that would work offline. again, im sure you need to get updated but its not like Xbox One will explode if you dont connect online, it only depends on the game, or App, or whatever you want to do with Xbox.
    exactly. my lumia 920 doesn't have an always on connection (though I would like it to) and it still works... just without features that require an internet connection. once it reconnects to cell towers or wifi those features will resume working. i'm confused on why people are so upset about the always on thing. this is 2013, will be close to 2014 by the time the console is out... who DOESN'T have a nearly "always on" internet connection in their home? grow up people!
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    05-22-2013 02:52 PM
  8. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Wow, that cartoon was all kinds of ignorant.

    1. They said 15 exclusives IN THE FIRST YEAR, not at launch. They said 8 would be new IP. That could mean 2 of the 15 could be annual installments of the same franchise (like Forza).
    2. Forcing people to buy the Kinect is not improving it. I don't want to buy a $100-150 accessory I won't use.
    3. Forcing people to plug the Kinect in to use the console is no improvement, either. If I am not going to use it, why do I need it plugged in?
    4. Filing patents to spy on users is not improving the Kinect. That's a massive (though allowed) invasion of privacy.
    5. I don't see the D-pad as improved, but that's a personal opinion.
    6. I hate the repositioning of the Guide button, as well as the changing of the Start and Back buttons, so I see the controller as, without getting to try it, a visual downgrade (though I like the stick grips).
    7. It's not as powerful as the PS4, that's been stated factually. I think the comparison is something like 1.8 TFLOPS of calculation for the PS4 and 1.3 for the new Xbox. The PS4 has DDR5 memory, while the Xbox has DDR3.


    People are upset for potentially-legitimate reasons, but they need to wait for verification of those problems (the Kinect spying, the game locking, etc.) before they rain down hellfire.
    05-22-2013 07:48 PM
  9. Reflexx's Avatar
    Wow, that cartoon was all kinds of ignorant.

    1. They said 15 exclusives IN THE FIRST YEAR, not at launch. They said 8 would be new IP. That could mean 2 of the 15 could be annual installments of the same franchise (like Forza).
    You're reaching with the idea that 2 games may be different installments of the same title. Ridiculous.

    2. Forcing people to buy the Kinect is not improving it. I don't want to buy a $100-150 accessory I won't use.
    3. Forcing people to plug the Kinect in to use the console is no improvement, either. If I am not going to use it, why do I need it plugged in?
    Did you really just number these as two separate points? Trying to make it look like there are more "reasons"?

    The new Kinect is not an accessory. It is built as part of the Xbox. The OS expects it to be there.

    If you use the Xbox, you are using Kinect.

    Developers know it's there, so they could make use of its capabilities. It isn't a guess about what percentage people have it. Instead, they can plan for it like they could plan that a player has a controller. This means that most games will use it.


    4. Filing patents to spy on users is not improving the Kinect. That's a massive (though allowed) invasion of privacy.
    Patent to spy? LoL.
    Yeah sure. They filed a patent for the purpose of spying on users.
    And tyoucalled the OP ignorant? LoL

    7. It's not as powerful as the PS4, that's been stated factually. I think the comparison is something like 1.8 TFLOPS of calculation for the PS4 and 1.3 for the new Xbox. The PS4 has DDR5 memory, while the Xbox has DDR3.
    The PS4 has a higher potential throughput because of faster (and more expensive)RAM. The XBOX makes up for some of it with a faster cache. The XBOX also allows for offloading non-immediate computations on cloud servers. 300,000 cloud servers.

    People are upset for potentially-legitimate reasons, but they need to wait for verification of those problems (the Kinect spying, the game locking, etc.) before they rain down hellfire.
    Thay hasn't been stopping anyone.
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    05-23-2013 02:35 AM
  10. CaptDjob's Avatar
    It said that purchased game is tied to Live -account.

    How about when you have other family members that play the same game? It must be possible to play purchased game in one family console with multpile accounts, otherwise many people will get upset. I don't want my girlfriend to play Call of Duty with my account, I would loose my virtual face.
    05-23-2013 05:10 AM
  11. Coreldan's Avatar
    Your girlfriend plays CoD? While I despise the franchise, but I want a girlfriend like that..
    05-23-2013 05:12 AM
  12. martinmc78's Avatar
    It said that purchased game is tied to Live -account.

    How about when you have other family members that play the same game? It must be possible to play purchased game in one family console with multpile accounts, otherwise many people will get upset. I don't want my girlfriend to play Call of Duty with my account, I would loose my virtual face.
    That's all changing now. Its one Live account per household but you can have multiple profiles going through that account. Which pleased my girlfriend as that means she doesn't have to keep forking out for a gold sub to play halo4 with me
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    05-23-2013 05:19 AM
  13. CaptDjob's Avatar
    That's all changing now. Its one Live account per household but you can have multiple profiles going through that account. Which pleased my girlfriend as that means she doesn't have to keep forking out for a gold sub to play halo4 with me
    All right then, this clarifies this topic. Thanks.
    05-23-2013 07:38 AM
  14. CaptDjob's Avatar
    Your girlfriend plays CoD? While I despise the franchise, but I want a girlfriend like that..
    I might have exaggarated a bit but man has to have dreams...
    05-23-2013 07:40 AM
  15. AaHaa's Avatar
    Wow, that cartoon was all kinds of ignorant.
    No, I've drawn what I think Microsoft is thinking right now. It's a joke about Microsoft. If my cartoon turns out to be accurate, then Microsoft is ignorant, not the cartoon ;)
    05-23-2013 08:26 AM
  16. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    You're reaching with the idea that 2 games may be different installments of the same title. Ridiculous.
    How is it ridiculous in the slightest? Forza Motorsport 5 will bring the third installment in the franchise in the past 3 years, and we saw Assassin's Creed switch to the annual model as well, so it's actually realistic to see that happening. I'm not saying that it WILL, just that it COULD.

    Did you really just number these as two separate points? Trying to make it look like there are more "reasons"?

    The new Kinect is not an accessory. It is built as part of the Xbox. The OS expects it to be there.
    I knew someone would HAVE to complain about my numbering scheme, unsurprising it happened. Pointing out two DIFFERENT things within the same point ruins the whole point of those numbered points. I separated the two things because they are two different things. Purchasing something and using it are different things. That you could ONLY counter both points with "you made that two points?" shows you had to grasp as something to complain about. Yeah, I know the OS expects it to be there. THAT IS MY COMPLAINT. I don't want it right now, plain and simple. If I'm not making use of it, why am I having to buy it? Oh, and forcing me into voice commands on occasion isn't the answer to "I'm not using it." Making me WANT to use it is how you convince people to buy it.


    Patent to spy? LoL.
    Yeah sure. They filed a patent for the purpose of spying on users.
    And tyoucalled the OP ignorant? LoL
    Yeah, use "LoL," to avoid the point. Call names, and don't actually make a point. Microsoft DID file a patent (Microsoft may start watching you through your Xbox Kinect | Digital Trends) on the matter, and while I know that it was initially filed 2 years ago, that they are considering using this is still stupid, in my opinion. I don't like the thought that Microsoft had the POTENTIAL to track me in any way with this thing. It might not be the "Big Brother" spying you're thinking I mean, but they are considering the use of the tech to track what users are doing in some way, and that doesn't sit well with me.

    The PS4 has a higher potential throughput because of faster (and more expensive)RAM. The XBOX makes up for some of it with a faster cache. The XBOX also allows for offloading non-immediate computations on cloud servers. 300,000 cloud servers.

    Thay hasn't been stopping anyone.
    I'm not sure what this point even was. I agree that people are reacting negatively too quickly, but folks such as yourself have been quick to sweep everything under the rug without proof just as quickly. I've been arguing the negatives and positives with people from different places on this, saying in both cases what could and couldn't be good or bad, while saying we need to wait. I'm trying to be the middle ground in all of this, while actually waiting for facts, rather than dismissing negative comments with "LoL."
    05-23-2013 11:07 AM
  17. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    No, I've drawn what I think Microsoft is thinking right now. It's a joke about Microsoft. If my cartoon turns out to be accurate, then Microsoft is ignorant, not the cartoon ;)
    Microsoft doesn't think they will have 15 launch titles, though. They said that they have 15 coming within the first YEAR of the console's release.
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    05-23-2013 11:07 AM
  18. vertigoOne's Avatar
    The reveal on Tuesday was to get the non-gaming features of the Xbox out of the way, with some nice appetizers so that gamers were not completely disappointed in having to wait until the E3 reveal for some concrete details that they could mull over in the meantime.

    I would describe the general population of the gaming community that feel the need to criticize Microsoft for what they have shown of the Xbox One so far to be fickle and inattentive, or had already made up their mind that it was popular to hate on Microsoft.

    Also as far as the Xbox One vs PS4 on a hardware level, I build and work on computers as a hobby, and I can appreciate how a well balanced approach to a build using well established technology will often outperform and most definitely produce less errors/crashes/weirdness than a bleeding edge build. That is not to say that there is not bleeding edge technology in both consoles, but that I personally feel that Microsoft would have a better understanding of hardware utilization due to their deeply rooted understanding of CSE.
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    05-23-2013 11:25 AM
  19. mlm1950's Avatar
    No, I've drawn what I think Microsoft is thinking right now. It's a joke about Microsoft. If my cartoon turns out to be accurate, then Microsoft is ignorant, not the cartoon ;)
    He was just giving his opinion of your opinion on people's opinion on the Xbox One.
    05-23-2013 11:28 AM
  20. Raghu Gundlapalli's Avatar
    Its like saying My Roku needs to be connected to Internet to stream media....
    Chrome Book needs to be connected to net to do anything on it ......
    Its fancy to hate everything MS does now a days.
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    05-23-2013 12:41 PM
  21. Raghu Gundlapalli's Avatar
    I don't like the thought that Microsoft had the POTENTIAL to track me in any way with this thing. It might not be the "Big Brother" spying you're thinking I mean, but they are considering the use of the tech to track what users are doing in some way, and that doesn't sit well with me.

    If you use a smart phone you are being tracked, even if you turn off location, i don't like it either, but we cant get away from this.
    05-23-2013 12:44 PM
  22. AaHaa's Avatar
    Microsoft doesn't think they will have 15 launch titles, though. They said that they have 15 coming within the first YEAR of the console's release.
    You're right. Sorry about the mistake.

    He was just giving his opinion of your opinion on people's opinion on the Xbox One.
    Woa. Now we're getting philosophical ;)
    05-23-2013 12:44 PM
  23. martinmc78's Avatar
    I don't like the thought that Microsoft had the POTENTIAL to track me in any way with this thing. It might not be the "Big Brother" spying you're thinking I mean, but they are considering the use of the tech to track what users are doing in some way, and that doesn't sit well with me.

    If you use a smart phone you are being tracked, even if you turn off location, i don't like it either, but we cant get away from this.
    Just going to throw a "what if" in here.

    What if the constant monitoring and tracking helps to improve the user experience for all of us. What if they pick up that people start saying commands for things that the Xbox One cant do. I mean the guys at MS are pretty smart but they wont have thought of everything. What if they pick up on little nuances like you always go back to the start screen when you take a break from the game. Pretty soon when you get up from the sofa and go to do something the Kinect picks up your leaving its field of view and returns to the home screen itself without a command. There are so many possibilities which is what I find quite exciting rather than worrying.
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    05-23-2013 12:54 PM
  24. vertigoOne's Avatar
    Microsoft doesn't think they will have 15 launch titles, though. They said that they have 15 coming within the first YEAR of the console's release.
    They have not said how many launch titles they will have yet, the only mention was exclusives.
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    05-23-2013 01:16 PM
  25. Benjamin Mendez1's Avatar
    If you''ll don't like it don't buy... simple as that. I like it I'm getting two.
    05-23-2013 01:24 PM
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