06-02-2013 03:19 AM
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  1. Reflexx's Avatar
    I came to this thread thinking its about HTC, The One.
    Sadly I don't do consoles.
    Well... it is in the XBOX ONE Forum...
    05-27-2013 12:32 PM
  2. Reflexx's Avatar
    The problem with that is developers are cutting parts out of games to sell them as DLC. You are no longer buying a complete game. Recent examples is all the Assassin's Creed games having an exclusive level at Walmart, Gamestop and Best Buy respectively. Three chapters cut from the main game, available on day one from individual retailers. You then-of course-can buy the other two online. But it's cut content. The Prothean character & mission cut from Mass Effect 3 and being offered as day-1 DLC. The REAL ending of Azura's Wrath from Capcom being a paid DLC download. Characters complete & ready to go, locked on the Street Fighter X Tekken disc to be charged extra for later.

    As long as the sheep are fine with companies ripping them off, companies will continue to do so. Remember that next time you purchase overpriced Season Passes and games with these rediculous retailer exclusives.
    Would you be happier with a more expensive game at retail instead?

    The games are complete without the DLC. You don't need to buy it. I don't buy most DLC.
    05-27-2013 12:34 PM
  3. Steven Garrigus's Avatar
    Would you be happier with a more expensive game at retail instead? The games are complete without the DLC. You don't need to buy it. I don't buy most DLC.
    Did you not read what I said? Where I gave examples of games NOT complete in their retail packages? Once, games were priced according to how much value you got from them. RPG's cost more than adventure games. Adventure games cost more than fighters. And you had brand new titles at budget prices. Where is it written in stone that a 5-hour campaign adventure title is worth $60, the same as a 100+ hour RPG costs?

    No, games you buy at retail are NOT complete games. And whether you choose to ignore the DLC or not, it is in FACT parts of the storyline REMOVED from the final product to gouge consumers for extra money.
    05-27-2013 12:48 PM
  4. spaulagain's Avatar
    The problem with that is developers are cutting parts out of games to sell them as DLC. You are no longer buying a complete game. Recent examples is all the Assassin's Creed games having an exclusive level at Walmart, Gamestop and Best Buy respectively. Three chapters cut from the main game, available on day one from individual retailers. You then-of course-can buy the other two online. But it's cut content. The Prothean character & mission cut from Mass Effect 3 and being offered as day-1 DLC. The REAL ending of Azura's Wrath from Capcom being a paid DLC download. Characters complete & ready to go, locked on the Street Fighter X Tekken disc to be charged extra for later.

    As long as the sheep are fine with companies ripping them off, companies will continue to do so. Remember that next time you purchase overpriced Season Passes and games with these rediculous retailer exclusives.
    So don't buy them.

    Life is so miserable as a gamer :'(
    05-27-2013 12:51 PM
  5. Steven Garrigus's Avatar
    So don't buy them.

    Life is so miserable as a gamer :'(
    I don't buy them. EA, Activision, Capcom, Ubisoft...I don't buy anything from them. And each company that decides to pull these stunts, I add them to to "no buy" list. Take Two is soon to be added.

    On a side note, any reason in particular why you feel the need to be antagonistic toward me? I mean, you follow my posts with smart-*** little comments and whine for threads to be closed because the topics discussed are not to your liking. Seems childish to me.
    05-27-2013 12:56 PM
  6. spaulagain's Avatar
    I don't buy them. EA, Activision, Capcom, Ubisoft...I don't buy anything from them. And each company that decides to pull these stunts, I add them to to "no buy" list. Take Two is soon to be added.

    On a side note, any reason in particular why you feel the need to be antagonistic toward me? I mean, you follow my posts with smart-*** little comments and whine for threads to be closed because the topics discussed are not to your liking. Seems childish to me.
    Because first you complain about the uncertainties with the new Xbox and games, even though it's well known these things will be announced at E3 which is less than 3 weeks away. And you continue to go on and on about how bad Microsoft is screwing this up based on rumors and non-concrete disclosures. Then, once that burns out you continue to complain by bringing up the "DLC Abuse," first claiming its a Microsoft thing. Then you move onto the publishers about it, even though you don't HAVE to buy the games. And when people say so what, don't buy the games, you insist its some atrocity that these companies are using DLC. Even though it's every companies goal to make more money.

    All of this is in a thread about what the name of the Xbox is. And I'm the one being childish? :/
    05-27-2013 02:10 PM
  7. clbarker10's Avatar
    I see people calling it "X1" most of the time. People tend to shorten console names as much as possible and "X1" sound easier than saying "The One".
    Example conversation:

    Joe "Hey Bobby what's up?"

    Bobby "Not much man, just playing a little (The One) (X1)".

    Joe "You know that they have a new (The One) (X1) controller at Gamestop"

    Bobby "Nice! Oh, and I just ordered the first issue of (The One) (X1) mag yesterday!"

    Seriously...Isn't it obvious.
    05-27-2013 02:23 PM
  8. Steven Garrigus's Avatar
    Because first you complain about the uncertainties with the new Xbox and games, even though it's well known these things will be announced at E3 which is less than 3 weeks away. And you continue to go on and on about how bad Microsoft is screwing this up based on rumors and non-concrete disclosures. Then, once that burns out you continue to complain by bringing up the "DLC Abuse," first claiming its a Microsoft thing. Then you move onto the publishers about it, even though you don't HAVE to buy the games. And when people say so what, don't buy the games, you insist its some atrocity that these companies are using DLC. Even though it's every companies goal to make more money.
    All of this is in a thread about what the name of the Xbox is. And I'm the one being childish? :/

    I thought it was well known that at the big reveal, Microsoft was going to lay it all out there. They didn't. Will they be any more forthcoming at E3? You say it's "well known" and I wonder where you get your information that nobody else seems to have.

    As for DLC, of course I don't have to buy the games. And I don't. But only a fool supports companies that abuse them. Enjoy playing the fool. I'm sure Microsoft will be happy to watch you and privelage you with adds on your screen that you are paying to see, restrictive DRM and all the widgets you can download until your heart is content. Good day sir.
    05-27-2013 02:35 PM
  9. Storl's Avatar
    I see people calling it "X1" most of the time. People tend to shorten console names as much as possible and "X1" sound easier than saying "The One".
    Example conversation:

    Joe "Hey Bobby what's up?"

    Bobby "Not much man, just playing a little (The One) (X1)".

    Joe "You know that they have a new (The One) (X1) controller at Gamestop"

    Bobby "Nice! Oh, and I just ordered the first issue of (The One) (X1) mag yesterday!"

    Seriously...Isn't it obvious.
    X1 is the most sane step as the XBOX 360 was the.. X360, the sooner everyone is using X1 the better :)
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    05-27-2013 02:39 PM
  10. SilverSee's Avatar
    Yes, definitely it will be called "the One".

    I think Microsoft's problem with their reveal was that they underestimated how childish and immature certain segments of the "core" gamer audience can be. The Xbox has always had the street cred as the hardcore gaming console; I don't think Microsoft realized that people could doubt their commitment to games (particularly when they said *in advance* that the gaming focus would be at E3). I think some gamers are just miffed that they weren't the center of attention.

    My take: branching out into "entertainment" is probably the only way the dedicated game console will survive the mobile onslaught, and Microsoft's focus here is meant to ensure that the console remains a viable games platform for the future. If TV helps get more Xbox's into living rooms around the world, I say "bring it".
    05-27-2013 02:43 PM
  11. spaulagain's Avatar
    Yes, definitely it will be called "the One".

    I think Microsoft's problem with their reveal was that they underestimated how childish and immature certain segments of the "core" gamer audience can be. The Xbox has always had the street cred as the hardcore gaming console; I don't think Microsoft realized that people could doubt their commitment to games (particularly when they said *in advance* that the gaming focus would be at E3). I think some gamers are just miffed that they weren't the center of attention.

    My take: branching out into "entertainment" is probably the only way the dedicated game console will survive the mobile onslaught, and Microsoft's focus here is meant to ensure that the console remains a viable games platform for the future. If TV helps get more Xbox's into living rooms around the world, I say "bring it".
    Exactly!
    05-27-2013 03:14 PM
  12. Reflexx's Avatar
    Did you not read what I said? Where I gave examples of games NOT complete in their retail packages? Once, games were priced according to how much value you got from them. RPG's cost more than adventure games. Adventure games cost more than fighters. And you had brand new titles at budget prices. Where is it written in stone that a 5-hour campaign adventure title is worth $60, the same as a 100+ hour RPG costs?

    No, games you buy at retail are NOT complete games. And whether you choose to ignore the DLC or not, it is in FACT parts of the storyline REMOVED from the final product to gouge consumers for extra money.
    They are complete games without the DLC.

    You just happen to want the DLC because it gives you added story.

    High-end games are eexpensive. Studios need to find ways to pay for all of this work.

    We have a proposed solution where they'll earn money from used sales. But people are whining.

    But if they charge for non-necessary content, people whine.

    But if they make tthe game inexpensively, people will whine.
    05-27-2013 03:15 PM
  13. Giddora's Avatar
    I thought it was well known that at the big reveal, Microsoft was going to lay it all out there. They didn't. Will they be any more forthcoming at E3? You say it's "well known" and I wonder where you get your information that nobody else seems to have.

    As for DLC, of course I don't have to buy the games. And I don't. But only a fool supports companies that abuse them. Enjoy playing the fool. I'm sure Microsoft will be happy to watch you and privelage you with adds on your screen that you are paying to see, restrictive DRM and all the widgets you can download until your heart is content. Good day sir.
    Sigh... You're persistant, I'll give you that.

    - We had to reveal Xbox One to the world. There's lots of non-game stuff that we had to talk about. Some of the really cool stuff. Now that at E3, we've done all that. - Operations Manager Eric Neustadter
    - [E3 is] all about the games - Senior Developer Laura Massey

    They made the first reveal about everything it can do besides just playing games, and E3 is focused at the gaming aspect.
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    05-27-2013 03:20 PM
  14. theefman's Avatar
    MS needs to do an ad with Keanu Reeves as Neo, The One playing The One! :)
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    05-27-2013 03:50 PM
  15. Mystictrust's Avatar
    Sigh... You're persistant, I'll give you that.

    - We had to reveal Xbox One to the world. There's lots of non-game stuff that we had to talk about. Some of the really cool stuff. Now that at E3, we've done all that. - Operations Manager Eric Neustadter
    - [E3 is] all about the games - Senior Developer Laura Massey

    They made the first reveal about everything it can do besides just playing games, and E3 is focused at the gaming aspect.
    Just to add to that, here's a quote from Major Nelson in Joystiq's post about the event on April 24th, nearly a month beforehand:

    "On that day, we'll share our vision for Xbox, and give you a real taste of the future. Then, 19 days later at the Electronic Entertainment Expo (E3) in Los Angeles, we'll continue the conversation and showcase our full lineup of blockbuster games," said Xbox's community guru Larry "Major Nelson" Hryb.

    Joystiq

    Fun fact: Not even "Major Nelson" knew the name of the Xbox One until I think maybe the day before the event or hours before the event (my memory is fading). He mentioned that in a podcast. A few Microsofties he had on the show with him didn't even have any clue. They really kept this "One" name in the dark. And also, neither Xbox 720 nor Xbox Infinity were even remotely thought of by anyone at Microsoft, nor did anyone falsely leak it out there to try and throw everyone off the scent. But not many people knew at Microsoft that there was no leak, so they might have let even Microsoft employees themselves believe that Microsoft "leaked" the names (by simply not saying anything, I suppose, or the "not commenting on rumors" line). Sneaky sneaky. I'm happy they did so well at keeping the Xbox name and looks so secret, as well as the UI and some of the stuff they were showing off. Made for a nice surprise :)
    Vallos likes this.
    05-27-2013 08:27 PM
  16. xandros9's Avatar
    MS needs to do an ad with Keanu Reeves as Neo, The One playing The One! :)
    have you seen the recent agent smith ad for GE?

    anyways, people have asked why they divided the 360 by 360 to get this. I had a friend say they should rename the original Xbox, "Xbox 3" because it makes as much sense
    05-27-2013 08:55 PM
  17. onysi's Avatar
    Someone mention X Bone and thought of this sign. LOL
    stock-photo-skull-danger-sign-deadly-danger-sign-100425820.jpg

    Microsoft should do what apple does and go by Xbox, 3rd gen. Xbox, 4th gen. But market it as the New Xbox every generation.
    No ones really paying attention to ipad 1, 2, 3.. its simple just the New iPad.
    05-30-2013 02:08 PM
  18. Villain's Avatar
    xbone came from Jonathan Blow's tweets... hardcore MS hater even though MS is the one who made him known with Braid. can't stand the guy
    Mystictrust likes this.
    06-02-2013 03:19 AM
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