06-14-2013 08:49 AM
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  1. DaveGx's Avatar
    This is your opinion. I personally have no problem with ANYTHING they are doing. In a year, it will all be irrelevant. If Xbox One doesn't work for you, that's your problem. Families will not be buying a PS4 for the living room. Families will be buying an Xbox One. That will make up for any lost sales to gamers.
    We'll see. Its already happening though, people hearing about this are saying they're passing on the XboxOne now. Add this with charging to use any Live/internet service, and the truth is sometimes enough is enough. You're going to be surprised how many turn their backs on the XboxOne
    06-07-2013 07:41 AM
  2. martinmc78's Avatar
    We'll see. Its already happening though, people hearing about this are saying they're passing on the XboxOne now. Add this with charging to use any Live/internet service, and the truth is sometimes enough is enough. You're going to be surprised how many turn their backs on the XboxOne
    Don't see any of my friends turning it down... They all think its great.

    Blockbuster and Game are touting record numbers of preorders for the device. Its always only the negative that's focused on though.
    06-07-2013 07:45 AM
  3. inteller's Avatar
    what I don't get is people are saying that if Sony doesn't have restrictions on games, their sales will never take off. This seems like a bizarre statement to me. If more people buy a PS4 because of no restrictions, it seems game sales would take off. If they are implying that EA and other shysters like them will drop PS4 support, well then that is just anti-competitive, anti-consumer practices that will need to be highly scrutinized. I thought EA dropping Wii U was just a factor of poor sales, but if it is because they don't support DRM, well then FU EA!
    06-07-2013 07:49 AM
  4. Robert Carpenter's Avatar
    We'll see. Its already happening though, people hearing about this are saying they're passing on the XboxOne now. Add this with charging to use any Live/internet service, and the truth is sometimes enough is enough. You're going to be surprised how many turn their backs on the XboxOne
    And you're neglecting to mention how many people will be buying one because of how much more it can do than game. I don't think you understand how many people are interested in the console.

    All the people that bought Xbox 360's and PS3's just for Netflix, Hulu, a blueray player, etc. The people that bought consoles and don't game. Which console do you think they are going to buy?
    06-07-2013 07:49 AM
  5. Robert Carpenter's Avatar
    what I don't get is people are saying that if Sony doesn't have restrictions on games, their sales will never take off. This seems like a bizarre statement to me. If more people buy a PS4 because of no restrictions, it seems game sales would take off. If they are implying that EA and other shysters like them will drop PS4 support, well then that is just anti-competitive, anti-consumer practices that will need to be highly scrutinized. I thought EA dropping Wii U was just a factor of poor sales, but if it is because they don't support DRM, well then FU EA!
    That's not anticompetitive at all. You are basically saying any game maker that makes a console exclusive is anticompetitive...

    They are a company that cares about the money they make. Selling used games is very similar to software piracy in terms of the negative affects it has on developers. People are getting and using their product without giving them money. In a year or two, this argument will be irrelevant because it will be normal and something every publisher does.
    06-07-2013 07:55 AM
  6. martinmc78's Avatar
    That's not anticompetitive at all. You are basically saying any game maker that makes a console exclusive is anticompetitive...

    They are a company that cares about the money they make. Selling used games is very similar to software piracy in terms of the negative affects it has on developers. People are getting and using their product without giving them money. In a year or two, this argument will be irrelevant because it will be normal and something every publisher does.
    Technically the argument is already irrelevant as games on PC have been using this for years.
    06-07-2013 08:03 AM
  7. DaveGx's Avatar
    And you're neglecting to mention how many people will be buying one because of how much more it can do than game. I don't think you understand how many people are interested in the console.

    All the people that bought Xbox 360's and PS3's just for Netflix, Hulu, a blueray player, etc. The people that bought consoles and don't game. Which console do you think they are going to buy?
    While this is true, dont think Sony isn't going to point out how they don't charge you to use Netflix or Hulu, which you already pay for. MS does, which is bs. I already said I won't be getting a PS4, but I'm starting to rethink getting an XboxOne. With recent revelations on top of a fee to use Live, its a huge turn off and screw job.
    06-07-2013 08:08 AM
  8. Reflexx's Avatar
    The digital game age will come, sadly, eventually. Why pull this garbage now? With physical media still in play, leave it the hell alone. Anyone who thinks this isn't going to hurt XboxOne sales is fooling themselves.
    Requiring an internet connection and putting rules on lending/trading/selling your games is absolutely ludicrous. MS needs to learn, sometimes it doesn't pay to be stubborn. This decision will guarantee an easy victory for Sony in the next Gen console war. Mark it down, if MS follows through, the Xbox One will struggles and lag far behind the PS4 from day one and will never recover.
    This console is supposed to last 10 yrs.

    I can see Sony leading for the first 3 yrs because people don't want change. But the ONE is more publisher friendly, so the games will likely go there first.

    In time, people will adapt and will go where the games are.
    06-07-2013 08:17 AM
  9. Reflexx's Avatar
    We'll see. Its already happening though, people hearing about this are saying they're passing on the XboxOne now. Add this with charging to use any Live/internet service, and the truth is sometimes enough is enough. You're going to be surprised how many turn their backs on the XboxOne
    Yes, some finicky gamers will pass on the ONE. But they are a small percentage of the market.

    The additional features on the ONE broaden its appeal.

    I often see people complain about how it's not focused on hardcore gamers. People will mock things like fantasy football and basketball.

    I guarantee you that there are A TON more people who enjoy fantasy football/basketball/baseball than there are "hardcore" gamers.
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    06-07-2013 08:24 AM
  10. HeyCori's Avatar
    Yes, some finicky gamers will pass on the ONE. But they are a small percentage of the market.

    The additional features on the ONE broaden its appeal.

    I often see people complain about how it's not focused on hardcore gamers. People will mock things like fantasy football and basketball.

    I guarantee you that there are A TON more people who enjoy fantasy football/basketball/baseball than there are "hardcore" gamers.
    I can guarantee you that throughout my life I've had far more people ask me who I'm picking for my bracket than what game am I playing.
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    06-07-2013 08:32 AM
  11. DavidinCT's Avatar
    This effects me a in a few ways.... As I said on the front page...

    Internet: I have a good internet connection but, in my area bad storms or heavy snow I lose power and after about 8-10 hours after that, I lose internet (I have a home generator becuse of power outages) this happens about 2-3 times a year for sometimes up to 4-5 days with out power. I use my 360 at least 4-5 times week now. With the way Xbox One is, when I lose power, I will not be able to play any games I own the disk on (single player games, not on line). I will have my xbox on line 99% of the time but, in those times with out power/internet, I cant play a game at all that I own the disc for, that is BIG PROBLEM for me, a huge problem.

    Used games: Look I dont really sell too many games but, there is a lot of games that I would not play at the $60 retail price, never mind I cant afford to buy EVERY game for $60. So I shop on ebay and other places to find used games for a good deal. Normally a month old game, I get for $35-45, this allows me to buy more games that I enjoy, in the price range I feel they are worth. Microsoft is killing this option. Gamestop(game rip off) who charges $55 for a month old USED game is not something I even look at. I understand the digital thing, if you buy it online, you cant transfer that game. If I own the physcal disc, I should be able to buy a used one or sell a used one like we are now.

    If the prices drop one every game to say, $45 after 30 days after release, then problem resolved(if I wait, I can get the game cheaper) but, to still charge $60 for a game that is 60-90 days old, is crazy if they are going this path. Greed will take over, and you'll never see that. If they are taking rights from us on our OWNED MEDIA, they should give something in return, but, they are not and will never.

    I will buy it, as it's all about the games for me but, I will play less games(like I said, if I buy a used version of a game and the next one comes out that I really must have I will buyt it full retail but, that limits it) and when my connection drops, Microsoft will hear about it.

    And Xbox live is not 100% all the time, 4 times this year, Xbox live went down and in turn, I got a free month of xbox live for each time. We'll see how dependable it is when it is updated but, it's not 100% anyway. So I can't play games when xbox live is down ??? WTF ???
    06-07-2013 08:47 AM
  12. HeyCori's Avatar
    This effects me a in a few ways.... As I said on the front page...

    Internet: I have a good internet connection but, in my area bad storms or heavy snow I lose power and after about 8-10 hours after that, I lose internet (I have a home generator becuse of power outages) this happens about 2-3 times a year for sometimes up to 4-5 days with out power. I use my 360 at least 4-5 times week now. With the way Xbox One is, when I lose power, I will not be able to play any games I own the disk on (single player games, not on line). I will have my xbox on line 99% of the time but, in those times with out power/internet, I cant play a game at all that I own the disc for, that is BIG PROBLEM for me, a huge problem.
    You could also tether your Xbox to your smartphone just to reauthorize your account and then turn off internet sharing afterwards so you don't burn through your data. It's not ideal but at least that's a workaround. Microsoft definitely needs to extend the time. 24 hours just isn't enough.

    Used games:
    Look I dont really sell too many games but, there is a lot of games that I would not play at the $60 retail price, never mind I cant afford to buy EVERY game for $60. So I shop on ebay and other places to find used games for a good deal. Normally a month old game, I get for $35-45, this allows me to buy more games that I enjoy, in the price range I feel they are worth. Microsoft is killing this option.
    I'm very interested to hear how Microsoft handles eBay and other online resellers. I'm hoping that, like retailers, online sellers can also join the Microsoft trade-in system.
    06-07-2013 08:58 AM
  13. ncxcstud's Avatar
    I could see the way they 'get around' the 24 hour thing is something someone mentioned in another thread. In those cases where you need to verify your connection, you could use your phone to scan a code from your tv to remotely verify your console/game.

    I'm not sure how that could be done to circumvent potential pirates and such, but seems like it would be a reasonable thing to do in order to get around extended internet outages (I just had one last week that was for 4 days) and those without broadband access...
    06-07-2013 09:11 AM
  14. DavidinCT's Avatar
    You could also tether your Xbox to your smartphone just to reauthorize your account and then turn off internet sharing afterwards so you don't burn through your data. It's not ideal but at least that's a workaround. Microsoft definitely needs to extend the time. 24 hours just isn't enough.
    I dont pay for tethering becuase it will cost extra on my monthly bill, that is not an option for me for the need during that one week. I have Unlimited data and not willing to lose it..

    Selling used games is very similar to software piracy in terms of the negative affects it has on developers.
    I'm sorry I do not agree with you here at all. If peole buy a used game it's because they would never be willing to pay the full price for the game. Normally a game is re-sold 2-3 times, if that, I buy used and keep them, I never resel them.

    Drop the price to what a game is worth on this aspect say 30 days after release to say $30-45 then the used market would not have a need, as people buy used games are because of cost, if the cost dropped, no one would by used games any more.

    If a game is pirated the devs get NO MONEY, someone at one time(rental place or out of pocket) paid for the game and 1,000's of people downloaded the game. This I do see a problem with and why they want to fight it. I have no issue with this

    But Joe Six-pack wants to sell is game because he does not like it and he has the acutal disk, to someone he does not know, to get most of his money back (that leaves gamestop out) you can't do. That is the way it always has worked on Consoles and it should keep that way. And that I DO have a problem with
    Last edited by DavidinCT; 06-07-2013 at 09:25 AM.
    06-07-2013 09:13 AM
  15. sinime's Avatar
    IDK why they didn't just make it to where buying a game on disc requires the disk to be in the console to authorize it. You wouldn't need an internet connection and the game could still be run off the harddrive. Disc would just be for authentication.

    On another note: will downloading the game be cheaper than buying the disc?
    06-07-2013 09:25 AM
  16. HeyCori's Avatar
    I believe I may have misinterpreted these two portions.

    How Games Licensing Works on Xbox One

    Trade-in and resell your disc-based games: Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games.

    Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.
    I grouped them together, thinking games can only be resold once. I really should of looked at them independently. The first part says nothing about games being sold only once. In fact, it looks like games can always be resold. And for the second part, it says "each game can only be given once." Looking at that independently, it looks like you can only give your game away once. It says nothing about your friend being unable to give/sell the game. I think that second part needs to be made more clear because it can be interpreted in two different ways.
    06-07-2013 09:31 AM
  17. martinmc78's Avatar
    IDK why they didn't just make it to where buying a game on disc requires the disk to be in the console to authorize it. You wouldn't need an internet connection and the game could still be run off the harddrive. Disc would just be for authentication.

    On another note: will downloading the game be cheaper than buying the disc?
    Was just thinking that myself - technically it should be cheaper to download as your not paying for the blu ray - the burning process - packaging and delivery to store and store mark up. Hopefully it is and maybe that's the way forward into pushing people to go fully digital download.
    06-07-2013 09:31 AM
  18. HeyCori's Avatar
    On another note: will downloading the game be cheaper than buying the disc?
    Judging from current 360 prices, probably not.
    06-07-2013 09:31 AM
  19. Reflexx's Avatar
    If I owned a publisher, here are some policies I would have.

    No reselling of the game for the first 30 days after launch

    I want $15 from the resale for the first 3 months resales are available. Then $10 for 8 months after that. Then $5 for 3 yrs after that. Then $2 forever.

    This is not because of "greed." It's about surviving as a business. Development costs of AAA games are through the roof and it continues to rise.

    It's nice to be able to own a studio where you have a stable staff. It sucks having to lay off half the people after every game and then hope the decent ones are still available 6 months down the line when you can afford to hire again.
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    06-07-2013 09:32 AM
  20. ncxcstud's Avatar
    Could the potential be for XBOX One games being cheaper because of the publisher friendly incentives now for their games?

    I'd love it if XBOX One games drop in price to 45-50 dollars...
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    06-07-2013 09:33 AM
  21. martinmc78's Avatar
    I believe I may have misinterpreted these two portions.



    I grouped them together, thinking games can only be resold once. I really should of looked at them independently. The first part says nothing about games being sold only once. In fact, it looks like games can always be resold. And for the second part, it says "each game can only be given once." Looking at that independently, it looks like you can only give your game away once. It says nothing about your friend being unable to give/sell the game. I think that second part needs to be made more clear because it can be interpreted in two different ways.
    So technically if your going to sell a game via ebay you could also advertise your gamertag - prospective buyers add you as a friend then buy the game off you at the price your selling it for 30 days later. After they've done that you can if you wanted remove then from your friends list.
    06-07-2013 09:35 AM
  22. Reflexx's Avatar
    Was just thinking that myself - technically it should be cheaper to download as your not paying for the blu ray - the burning process - packaging and delivery to store and store mark up. Hopefully it is and maybe that's the way forward into pushing people to go fully digital download.
    Those things dont cost very much money in volume.

    I wouldn't expect a discount for digital-only. At least not by very much. Though even $5 or $10 cheaper would be nice.

    But keep in mind that with higher graphical fidelity and higher expectations on performance, development costs are going to increase.
    06-07-2013 09:36 AM
  23. ncxcstud's Avatar
    Those things dont cost very much money in volume.

    I wouldn't expect a discount for digital-only. At least not by very much. Though even $5 or $10 cheaper would be nice.

    But keep in mind that with higher graphical fidelity and higher expectations on performance, development costs are going to increase.
    But, costs are also higher because they get no piece of the pie with resells... now they do...
    06-07-2013 09:45 AM
  24. MerlotC's Avatar
    The policies announced don't effect me at all and the convenience of digital and family share makes it a plus for me. I think there are going to be a bunch of upset Sony fans when they announce similar restrictions. At this point all Sony has said is no constant online required....same could be said about the One. And drm left up to publisher, which is the same as the One.
    06-07-2013 09:49 AM
  25. HeyCori's Avatar
    So technically if your going to sell a game via ebay you could also advertise your gamertag - prospective buyers add you as a friend then buy the game off you at the price your selling it for 30 days later. After they've done that you can if you wanted remove then from your friends list.
    I think a better solution would be if eBay implements a system where game sellers can be connected to Microsoft's database through eBay's servers and that allows for used game purchases.
    06-07-2013 09:51 AM
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