1. DaveGx's Avatar
    There are reactions like the above, all over the place. MS doesn't get it. They're so damn stubborn.

    I really dont see the Xbox One having much success from day one. I think they'll be in third place in the console war this next Gen, the entire time. Their decisions to take away consumers decisions and limit options are going to cost them dearly.

    Always on to used games to renting fiascos, and then you get to where Sony has better hardware and capability for a better GAMING product. MS, what the hell were you thinking?

    If they can even ma she second place ill be surprised
    Last edited by Dave Blake; 06-10-2013 at 06:03 AM.
    06-09-2013 10:17 PM
  2. spaulagain's Avatar
    Really? Another one of these threads? Why don't you stop speculating from your couch and wait till its actually released.

    I personally will be in line launch day to pick one up. Are the new policies different? Yes. Do they have some negative drawbacks? Yes, but they also have some great benefits. And publishers are going to back Xbox a lot more if they have confidence their products are protected from pirates.
    06-09-2013 10:41 PM
  3. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    Yes. Let's close this string until there are honest facts to discuss.
    06-09-2013 11:05 PM
  4. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    I'm sure there's a message in that video, but I can't see anyone listening to that guy for longer than 30 seconds.
    06-09-2013 11:17 PM
  5. a5cent's Avatar
    I understand that acting like an ***** can get you noticed on youtube, but that video is too much. Omit all the swearing/fluff and you are left with 15 seconds of worthwhile content.

    Anyway. Yes, I think Microsoft plans will work, although I'm not too happy with some of the decisions either.

    At the end of the day, content providers will prefer Microsoft's business model, and consumers will go where the content is. At some point in the future, rants of the sort depicted in the video will be long forgotten ancient history, because most consumers are more than happy to sacrifice some rights, privacy and flexibility in exchange for fast and simple access to content (i.e. the ability to buy from your couch and play within minutes). I completely agree with the crazy video dude that Microsoft is trying to maximize profits, but what he's missing is that they are doing this not just for themselves, but primarily for content providers. That is what will drive the XBOX to a resounding success.
    Last edited by a5cent; 06-10-2013 at 01:04 AM. Reason: Slight clarifications throughout
    06-09-2013 11:39 PM
  6. spaulagain's Avatar
    I think this guys post on reddit sums it up pretty well...

    I personally find some of the arguments against the X1 hilarious. Yes, the requirement for being online to play is bad. You should dislike that. But people then go on tangents about how 'the hardware sucks compared to the PS4', etc. Let me start off by saying that I am a professional game developer with quite a bit of console experience. Most of the people attacking the X1's hardware specifications have absolutely no knowledge of what they're talking about.

    Hardware-wise, the X1 and the PS4 are quite similar. The largest difference that stands out to me is that the PS4 uses GDDR5 whilst the X1 uses DDR3. Many of the rants I've seen have showcased this as 'evidence' that the PS4 is superior. I find this funny, since to me it showcases that they don't know what GDDR5 is. GDDR5 is Graphics RAM. The main distinction is that GDDR5 has much higher bandwidth than DDR3 (as that is needed on graphics cards due to large textures and framebuffers needing to be copied), but this comes at a price: GDDR5 also has far higher latency than DDR3.

    Rambus' RDRAM suffered back in the early 2000's from the same thing - high bandwidth, high latency compared to DDR. It lost that war. I worry that Sony is making another misstep in replicating what will be high load-hit-store costs on the x86 that existed on the PowerPC (for both the 360 and the PS3, but worse on the latter). Now, having GDDR5 is useful when shared memory is involved, so this is also intruiging, since it means that textures and framebuffers can be passed quickly via DMA. This is a lesson they appeared to have learned from the PS3 (which had a segregated model, much to everyone's chagrin). I expect that the X1 will be GPU bound, and the PS4 will be CPU bound. Due to that, I predict that both will operate roughly the same. An intelligent developer will be able to optimize for both, a task that was nearly impossible with the 360 and the PS3 (due to the PS3's very peculiar SPU setup).

    On the user side, one of the reasons that /r/gaming seems to dislike the X1 is that they don't realize that they're not the X1's target playerbase. The X1 is being marketed towards youth who play games, casual game players, and people who want to use the X1 for multimedia purposes (as a HTPC of sorts). The PS4 is being marketed towards more general gamers. This is no different than the 360 and the PS3. There is also a good reason for Microsoft wanting to limit the ability to share/resell games...

    ... because game developers want them to. Microsoft has always been far more friendly with developers than Sony has been, from working with them to the development toolkits. Microsoft, just like Sony, makes most of their money on game licensing and not on the consoles themselves, so this is perfectly reasonable from their point of view, and enough people are likely to buy the X1 for it to be justified to them. This well-reasoned argument by TotalBiscuit on YouTube emphasizes the developer's position on this, and Microsoft is only paying heed to their actual customer (the developer; you aren't the customer, you're customer's customer to them). Used game sales and game-sharing does hurt developers, as much as /r/gaming won't admit that. Unlike music, movies, cars, etc, games don't have multiple revenue streams after purchase. The music industry continues to make money via concerts and royalties. The movie industry continues to make money via rentals, DVDs, royalties, syndication, etc. Cars break down. Games... don't. Games last virtually forever, and the only point at which the developer makes money is when they're sold. There are income models that get around that (MMO, free-to-play), but they aren't ideal in every situation (and indeed I dislike FTP). Companies like GameStop are quite literally stealing profit from developers, particularly when their business model is to convince people to buy used instead of new (they do this because they make far more profit on used games than new games). This is why Microsoft has been pushed by developers to support this model - because the game industry is hurting (and they really are, one only needs to look at all the terminations recently).

    More interestingly, this isn't really any different than PC gaming. Do you use Steam? There really isn't game sharing/used games there. You don't even have physical media for most PC games anymore. Microsoft is only following in Valve's footsteps, here. Most media is moving towards digital formats, where restrictions on used media is easy and will be implemented. The former is what consumers want, the latter is going to be implemented at the want of content-makers.

    Welcome to capitalism.
    06-10-2013 12:10 AM
  7. Reflexx's Avatar
    The gamers predicting the XBOX ONE's failure are the same type that thought that the Wii would crash and burn compared to the 360 and PS4. Them the Wii proceeded to kick both their butts for quite a few years.

    These gamers dont realize that are other consumers besides them. If they don't like something, they automatically declare that it's bad for consumers, which is pretty egocentric.
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    06-10-2013 01:00 AM
  8. MC_A_DOT's Avatar
    Success? Yes....I'ts gonna be number One...again.
    06-10-2013 03:04 AM
  9. Coreldan's Avatar
    I think X1 will do just fine. I'm sure it did lose some customers on some end, but most likely also gained a lot in another end. Baseline will still be that both X1 and PS4 will have awesome games and both will most likely sell just fine. Your average console buyer does not go to youtube or forums to look about rants and most people also have broadband connections too.

    Also, in Finland, every online store I've checked reports higher preorder counts for X1 than the PS4.
    06-10-2013 03:20 AM
  10. martinmc78's Avatar
    Let you in on a conversation I had at the weekend with a female receptionist in her mid 20's

    Her: So are you getting an xbox one?
    Me: Yep already pre ordered mine
    Her: Yeah done that as well. It looks so cool. Do you know how much its going to be?
    Me: Its rumoured that it will be around 400
    Her: Not too bad. Me and my boyfriend are saving for it already.
    Me: Did you hear about some of the info they released the other day
    Her: No. What info?
    Me: (briefly told her about the always online and used games thing then mentioned about being able to go to someone else's house that got an xbox one and being able to play on the games that you own as well as your friends as everythings stored online.
    Her: No f'kin way that's so cool, wait till I tell my boyfriend that all his mates will want to get one then.
    Random Bystander: That's pretty good. Still think im going to get a PS4 though
    Her: Why would you do that? You don't even know what the thing looks like and it cant do half the things the xbox can do.

    ^^^^THIS^^^^

    This is why the xbox one will be a success. People are already preordering based on that first glance from the reveal and were sold then, the extra information on its capabilities passed along since is only turning more people on to it. When you can put down the PS4 in one sentence no matter what decisions MS make people will still buy it. They've showed their hand and the majority like it.

    Haters goin hate.
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    06-10-2013 05:03 AM
  11. DaveGx's Avatar
    Ok, its obviously a character he does, but within his rants there is some annoying truths. There are things to like about Xbox One, but things to strongly dislike. MS chose freely to go this course, and deserve to hear some backlash.

    To note, I did hear something about MS giving military people codes to get around the 24 hour internet check. But damn, just let all of us get around it. Its idiotic.

    I think also, when the masses find out about this, the average family/person, they are not going to be happy. People who enjoy the Xbox or games and such in general but not very techy, are going to be highly annoyed with restrictions on loaning/selling/trading games. Having to have internet once a day.

    I still think some are too loyal to MS or any other company. I love MS products but Im not going to be okay with everything they do. One poster in this thread in particular, Ive seen on these forums basically as MS number one fanboy. Look, its ok to backlash against a company sometimes.

    Granted, others and myself could be the ones who are overreacting. I still believe though, there is going to be a bigger negative reaction, and thus very low sales, to the Xbox One come launch day. Unless of course, MS does a 180 or has several killer exclusives. I dont see them edging Sony out in the graphics department, which is yet another mistake. And no, I wont ever get a PS4. I may or may not get an Xbox One. Im still torn at this point and think a message may need to be sent with my wallet.
    06-10-2013 06:04 AM
  12. Dave Blake's Avatar
    The language used in the video is not allowed on WPC. Without the video this thread is not needed.



    DO NOT POST VIDEO THAT CONTAINS FOUL LANGUAGE.


    Thread closed
    06-10-2013 06:06 AM

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