06-14-2013 05:40 AM
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  1. Reflexx's Avatar
    Yeah hopefully matchmaking wont put you on a team with a squealing 8 year old who nerd rages when you grab the sniper rifle
    If he's complaining about DRM, then he might not even get the ONE.
    06-12-2013 10:40 AM
  2. martinmc78's Avatar
    If he's complaining about DRM, then he might not even get the ONE.
    Yeah but his dad might not care about it and buy one anyway. Hate squealing 8 year olds. If your voice comes out like your on helium don't talk on a mic - wait till your balls drop then come back and moan at me
    06-12-2013 10:43 AM
  3. Zeroplanetz's Avatar
    Yeah, so? Why is it "crap?"

    Dont you think that the people who make the games have the right to earn make a living? To keep the doors open and their employees employed?
    There's also going to be the option to by a $60 version of the game.
    ok look at metro last night. Need to pay more for an additional hard level. Just stupid. Just leave on the game already. The thing is if these said companies create a game worth selling they'll make loads if cash and not have to worry about paying there people.
    06-12-2013 10:57 AM
  4. Zeroplanetz's Avatar
    Yeah but his dad might not care about it and buy one anyway. Hate squealing 8 year olds. If your voice comes out like your on helium don't talk on a mic - wait till your balls drop then come back and moan at me
    I don't play online multi. I prefer local multi with actual friends. As well yea I won't buy the one or the ps4. I'm going to start doing more of something thats actually fun like more into mtb. Gaming has all but lost its appeal anymore. I also don't need the whole tv side of the system.as most the tv shows are rubbish as well. And no I'm not 8 asswipes. I have my opinions like the rest of you. I just find it hard when companies get away with murder.
    06-12-2013 11:02 AM
  5. NaNoo123's Avatar
    Not the same, but there are detergents specifically made for the high efficiency models of washers. Some can 'appear' to say - if you don't have a HE washer - buy our other product...
    But in this case they are for same machine type. If anything x1 is for a broader range.

    I'm trying not to derail thread by talking about other things other than his buy 360 comment.
    Think its worth saying that i actually like 95% of what I'm seeing from ms, i just think that their message isn't getting across as good as it could be.

    Personal opinion obviously, but i think its amazing that a machine that is trying to broaden the market, casual, core, media device, shown best media capabilities so far, more actual outright exclusives so far, compelling options with licencing especially digital, seems to come out looking like its in a lot of trouble by the internet.

    Yes most games need the net, that's actually why i think the 24 hr check in isn't necessary, which is the only thing i think they really missed stepped with. People will be going online anyway, sell it as compelling reasons to be on line.
    That way you get all the benefits of drm, with little of the downsides from ms point of view.
    If offline, play with disk in. Its going to be hard to get the most out of most games next gen without being online.
    06-12-2013 11:03 AM
  6. Coreldan's Avatar
    Ok the game might be free but it was an example of what companies are doing. With all the additional purchased crap
    I think it's a nice variation. It's not like I would actively play all the characters in it anyways, so I get a really nice game for maybe.. 10-15€ total rather than paying the 60€ for a lot of chars of which I'll likely never play majority of them twice.

    I think F2P with microtransactions definitely has it's place. In fact, I actively play a handful of games, and pretty much half of them are F2P. I dont mind that WoW expansions cost with monthly sub, but the sad truth is that very few MMORPGs can pull that payment model off anymore while being succesful.

    In your later message you say about "making a game worth selling and these people dont have to worry about paying their people". We're talking about a surprising few studios that can do this without breaking a sweat and even then we are looking at like Blizzard with WoW, CoD, BF etc.. and I can guarantee you that a lot of people will not find these games the best games out there. They might be the most succesful commercially, but there are so many games that never got a proper chance, even if they were far better than any of the three mentioned there. It's a rough business and most of those companies you talk about are mostly milking in the cash with the rep they got from 1-2 hit games in the past. These franchises hardly innovate, cos they are afraid they lose the cashcow if they do something different.
    06-12-2013 11:16 AM
  7. DavidinCT's Avatar
    This reply, of needing a internet only is a big F U to gamers PERIOD... Yea, I see his point, if your on a Sub, yea, you will have a problem with internet but, what if my home internet goes out for a few days (it's happend 2-3 times this year for 2-5 days)? So I can't play my X1 even if I have the physical disk that does not need cloud based content ? Yea, yea yea, call comcast up and give them a hard time, sure I do it and get a credit but, this does not mean I wont have issues time to time...

    This is NOT about cloud based content, This is about DRM and his reply pretty much, if you have internet problems, stick with a 360, is a serious F U to gamers...

    I will not pre-order a X1, I will wait till this BS is ironed out for good. If I have a phsycal disc and have no internet, I SHOULD be able to play my games as long as I have the disc in hand and it does not NEED cloud based content. Games should be labeled that they NEED a internet connection but, single player games ? Really ?

    Anything less than this is unacceptable in my eyes (and my internet is fine 98% of the time).

    I'm a big fan and use my 360 almost every day but, for this and the used game issue, I am leaning towards a PS4....

    If you want a X1 and dont have a internet connection then bend over and take it up the A**...thanks MS...
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    06-12-2013 11:23 AM
  8. martinmc78's Avatar
    I don't play online multi. I prefer local multi with actual friends. As well yea I won't buy the one or the ps4. I'm going to start doing more of something thats actually fun like more into mtb. Gaming has all but lost its appeal anymore. I also don't need the whole tv side of the system.as most the tv shows are rubbish as well. And no I'm not 8 asswipes. I have my opinions like the rest of you. I just find it hard when companies get away with murder.
    Man I do miss doing local multiplayer - used to pile round a friends house for a weekend 4 TV's 4 Xbox's 16 controllers - Halo, Ghost recon, Star wars battlefront - so much pizza.

    No one said you were 8 - I was just expressing my dislike for high pitched 8 year olds while playing online.
    06-12-2013 11:25 AM
  9. tk-093's Avatar
    If you don't have internet you really shouldn't get any console.. PS3, 360 or the next gen. No internet means no console updates and it seems every other game launches full of bugs and you need patches day one.

    If I was MS, I would push out a smartphone app that lets you authenticate your games in the event you don't have home broadband, or your home broadband is out. Simply have your TV display some type of barcode, launch your XBox One app and point your smartphone camera at it, it talks to Microsoft and displays some code or something on your smartphone that you show to Kinect and BAM, off and running again.

    Yes, I know not everybody has a smartphone, but households that don't have a smarthphone, and broadband and still will drop 500 bone on a console are probably not that many.
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    06-12-2013 11:26 AM
  10. tk-093's Avatar
    Man I do miss doing local multiplayer - used to pile round a friends house for a weekend 4 TV's 4 Xbox's 16 controllers - Halo, Ghost recon, Star wars battlefront - so much pizza.
    Halo and Gears of War are my favorite local multiplayer games. Gears of War is probably #1 because it seemed more intense. All of a sudden BAM I'm getting cut in two by a chainsaw and in need of a clean pair of shorts.
    06-12-2013 11:29 AM
  11. odoggyfresh's Avatar
    "I dont want to have to connect to the internet!" -complaint filed ON THE INTERNET
    06-12-2013 11:38 AM
  12. jhguth's Avatar
    This is an awesome response, MS handled this correctly. Same as with telling people they will just have to get high speed internet to use the original Xbox since it didn't have a modem.
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    06-12-2013 11:43 AM
  13. Coreldan's Avatar
    Also, you don't need a high speed internet for the 24h check in. That you could probably do on a 56k modem. That's nothing but some very light data moving around. The recommendation for 1,5mbps is for actual online playing.

    I do hope that they implement some way to verificate using Smartglass with just mobile internet that isn't even connected to Xbox (since especially in US tethering seems to cost extra?). People have suggested scanning a QR code made by the offline Xbox using Smartglass and the phone would verify it online. I just hope MS comes through with something like this.
    06-12-2013 11:47 AM
  14. tk-093's Avatar
    This is an awesome response, MS handled this correctly. Same as with telling people they will just have to get high speed internet to use the original Xbox since it didn't have a modem.
    Man, I remember the outrage back then... and the internet wasn't close to what is is now obviously.
    06-12-2013 11:48 AM
  15. DavidinCT's Avatar
    If you don't have internet you really shouldn't get any console.. PS3, 360 or the next gen. No internet means no console updates and it seems every other game launches full of bugs and you need patches day one.
    You are completely missing the point here. Internet is like anything else in life, it goes out time to time, some a little less than others but, it still is a issue for people. This is not about updates or bug fixes, this is about DRM, Needing a connection every 24 hours or your cant use the system is unacceptable. So even if I used the game yesterday and it's fully updated, my internet goes out for 2-3 days, after 1 day, I cant use my X1 with games I own the disc on and just playing the single player game (not online or needing Cloud based conent). Really ?

    You dont have ANY issue with that ? Yea a simple smartphone app would be a simple workaround for the issue, but, it does not resolve the problem at hand.

    and what happens if MS servers are hacked or down for some reason??? Global problem with NO ONE WHO HAS A X1 COULD PLAY ANY GAME. Yep, I do have a problem with that.
    06-12-2013 11:56 AM
  16. Coreldan's Avatar
    You dont have ANY issue with that ?
    Actually, I wouldn't, cos I rarely bother with purely single player games anyways and somehow I've gotten used to all this. When I think about what could I do on my PC if the internet went out.. it would be surprisingly little.

    That said, my internet hasn't gone out for more than 24h in probably a decade, so I guess I'm lucky.

    But naturally I'm not saying this would be the case for the majority, but just saying how it is for me :P Especially when in Finland regardless of the service provider, you are pretty much allowed to tether for free as long as you have some data plan, this literally is a total non-issue at least in Finland, but I realize not all places have it that good.
    06-12-2013 12:00 PM
  17. martinmc78's Avatar
    You are completely missing the point here. Internet is like anything else in life, it goes out time to time, some a little less than others but, it still is a issue for people. This is not about updates or bug fixes, this is about DRM, Needing a connection every 24 hours or your cant use the system is unacceptable. So even if I used the game yesterday and it's fully updated, my internet goes out for 2-3 days, after 1 day, I cant use my X1 with games I own the disc on and just playing the single player game (not online or needing Cloud based conent). Really ?

    You dont have ANY issue with that ? Yea a simple smartphone app would be a simple workaround for the issue, but, it does not resolve the problem at hand.

    and what happens if MS servers are hacked or down for some reason??? Global problem with NO ONE WHO HAS A X1 COULD PLAY ANY GAME. Yep, I do have a problem with that.
    Technically that's not how it works - the check in is required every 24 hours but if a check in is missed you can still play offline for 24 hours.

    What needs clarifying is if its 24 hours from the last check in realtime or whether its 24 hours from when you go to play and find you've not got a connection or even if its a timed thing where you've got 24 hours of offline playing time. Its ambiguous to say the least.

    The last option although unlikely would be beneficial - if your internet is down for 3 days at least you know you've got 24 hours worth of game time - but as others have said the check in could easily be done via mobile. I

    ts early days yet MS are bound to put in a work around for situations beyond a consumers control.
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    06-12-2013 12:06 PM
  18. vertigoOne's Avatar
    Under typical circumstances, if your internet is out for more than 24 hours, and you cannot connect via cell phone, you probably need to take a look outside anyways.

    This concludes today's lesson in Zombie Apocolypse Preparedness 101.
    06-12-2013 12:07 PM
  19. martinmc78's Avatar
    Under typical circumstances, if your internet is out for more than 24 hours, and you cannot connect via cell phone, you probably need to take a look outside anyways.

    This concludes today's lesson in Zombie Apocolypse Preparedness 101.
    Yeah im not looking forward to that in the UK. US second amendment may be ridiculous in this day and age but all those guns sure will come in handy when the dead rise.
    06-12-2013 12:10 PM
  20. tk-093's Avatar
    You dont have ANY issue with that ? Yea a simple smartphone app would be a simple workaround for the issue, but, it does not resolve the problem at hand.
    No, I don't have a problem with that. Games don't rule my life.. If my internet is down for a bit and I can't play a game... big deal.. It's not life or death. I'll go ride my bike, watch a little TV, work on the lawn, maybe grab a beer down at the bar or about a dozen other things that I do to entertain myself.

    I suppose there are people who need to be able to game 24/7, but I feel sorry for them.
    06-12-2013 12:11 PM
  21. DavidinCT's Avatar
    No, I don't have a problem with that. Games don't rule my life.. If my internet is down for a bit and I can't play a game... big deal.. It's not life or death. I'll go ride my bike, watch a little TV, work on the lawn, maybe grab a beer down at the bar or about a dozen other things that I do to entertain myself.

    I suppose there are people who need to be able to game 24/7, but I feel sorry for them.
    That's cool but, still the fact of a matter is, if I pay $500 for a system and $60 for a game, I expect to be able to play it when I want to, not forced by someone else when I can play it.

    I guess to each their own. I dont need to game 24 hours a day 7 days a week but, in that case where it could happen to me that few times a year and that one day when Xbox live is down for 24-48 hours or my ISP has issues and I cant play content I wanted to play because of that window I can play in, I do have a major problem with it.

    I'm sure in time this will be laxed a little, MS will take a lot of heat on this subject as it already has. It's been shown that this has been a PR nightmare and it's still months away from release.

    I'm still on the thoughts, what if Xbox live is down ? Or hacked like PSN was ? or other issues, you cant play your game when you want to, that will always be a problem with me after all, I am paying to get the system, use xbox live and the game...
    06-12-2013 01:09 PM
  22. Robert Carpenter's Avatar
    That's cool but, still the fact of a matter is, if I pay $500 for a system and $60 for a game, I expect to be able to play it when I want to, not forced by someone else when I can play it.

    I guess to each their own. I dont need to game 24 hours a day 7 days a week but, in that case where it could happen to me that few times a year and that one day when Xbox live is down for 24-48 hours or my ISP has issues and I cant play content I wanted to play because of that window I can play in, I do have a major problem with it.

    I'm sure in time this will be laxed a little, MS will take a lot of heat on this subject as it already has. It's been shown that this has been a PR nightmare and it's still months away from release.

    I'm still on the thoughts, what if Xbox live is down ? Or hacked like PSN was ? or other issues, you cant play your game when you want to, that will always be a problem with me after all, I am paying to get the system, use xbox live and the game...
    What if PS4's game discs don't work?...
    06-12-2013 01:19 PM
  23. tk-093's Avatar
    That's cool but, still the fact of a matter is, if I pay $500 for a system and $60 for a game, I expect to be able to play it when I want to, not forced by someone else when I can play it.

    I guess to each their own. I dont need to game 24 hours a day 7 days a week but, in that case where it could happen to me that few times a year and that one day when Xbox live is down for 24-48 hours or my ISP has issues and I cant play content I wanted to play because of that window I can play in, I do have a major problem with it.

    I'm sure in time this will be laxed a little, MS will take a lot of heat on this subject as it already has. It's been shown that this has been a PR nightmare and it's still months away from release.

    I'm still on the thoughts, what if Xbox live is down ? Or hacked like PSN was ? or other issues, you cant play your game when you want to, that will always be a problem with me after all, I am paying to get the system, use xbox live and the game...
    I totally understand where you're coming from, and respect your opinion. I won't try to change it.

    When it comes down to it, it's possible it's a bigger deal then I think it is, and maybe it's not as big a deal as you think it is? Somewhere in the middle maybe, who knows.

    As far as XBox Live being down... totally possible. Though I'm hoping their authentication servers are different then their servers for multiplayer so one does not effect the other. Once the authentication servers go down, they still have 24 hours to get it up.. As long as they are not using EA to run the servers.... :)
    06-12-2013 01:20 PM
  24. Reflexx's Avatar
    I have never seen a more heated subject than this Xbox One. I have my opinions (which aren't all pro Microsoft and are just as valid by the way). But at the end of the day, its just a overpriced box no one really needs, keeping things in perspective.
    There was a lot of pretty heated talk back in the day when the original XBOX launched with broadband-only instead of also having a regular modem for people on dial-up.
    06-12-2013 01:21 PM
  25. vertigoOne's Avatar
    I'm sure in time this will be laxed a little, MS will take a lot of heat on this subject as it already has. It's been shown that this has been a PR nightmare and it's still months away from release.
    I posted an article from Ars in another thread here, in which Microsoft explains that they expected this reaction. Why would they change their mind after bearing the brunt of all of the negative publicity for the sake of what they see as necessary change?
    06-12-2013 01:23 PM
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