06-14-2013 05:40 AM
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  1. tk-093's Avatar
    I don't think Sony has established it's required to have PSN+ to use Netflix, Hulu, etc. As of now, it seems that PSN+ will only be geared towards multiplayer.
    Yeah, I think you're right on that one. It's possible Microsoft could change that, but until they do I'm gonna assume they'll keep it the same as the 360 is... which for the record I think they should bring those apps out from behind the paywall, especially since they are also going after a non-gaming type market.
    LeLee092 likes this.
    06-12-2013 04:45 PM
  2. dba415's Avatar
    He should've said "It's called PS4". Who wants to play a last gen system, when all these new games are going to be popping out? After this initial phase where we might see the 360 and X1 get the same games, developers aren't going to bother with the 360. It's like how EA had some of the first Maddens for both consoles, and after 3 years, you didn't see a single Madden for PS2/Xbox.



    I don't think Sony has established it's required to have PSN+ to use Netflix, Hulu, etc. As of now, it seems that PSN+ will only be geared towards multiplayer.
    They beat Sony this Gen but next Gen is different. Just like Sony won with the PS2 but lost with PS3 one Gen has no affect on the next.
    06-12-2013 04:50 PM
  3. vertigoOne's Avatar
    The consensus is that Sony smashed Microsoft at E3 this year. Not only that, but the other consensus seems to be that XB1 is DOA.
    Sony no question got a reaction at E3 by directly involving themselves in the exact issues that have been eluding the 'consensus.' And through what innovations? By sticking to the past? What happens when everyone actually understands the facts? Will Sony truly have 'smashed Microsoft' and rendered the X1 DoA? Enjoy the moment while it lasts, I say. Sony will fall behind in the next generation if they persist in and enforce their already fragmented stance.
    06-12-2013 04:56 PM
  4. Oterow's Avatar
    I't seems as if evryone is blindly jumping the gun and clearly not thinking out of the box. 1.) Who is to say the the inital purchace of an X1 game wouldn't be cheaper than a PS4 game after all game pricing hasnt been announced yet. The same games on PC are a helluva lot cheaper than console games. 2.) The 3rd party devs/publishers like the idea of DRM, so who's to say that they will williningly support the PS4. 3.) And the comment from Sony about using the same DRM method as the current gen PS3; now this one caught my attention and I chuckled a little bit inside. Who is to say that the current PS3 dosent have a similar type of DRM method built in, which was later decided to not be enabled. Could be Sony double talk, bu tonly time will tell.
    06-12-2013 05:22 PM
  5. oldpueblo's Avatar
    Mattrick basically said F U to military people.
    This is probably the dumbest thing I've ever read on the Internet. Yes please design my next-gen console around military needs, priority #1! You know who is saying FU to the military? The military for not providing continuous stable Internet to our troops for downtime relaxing. How the military spends its time offline has absolutely nothing to do with MS.

    This is outrage for the sake of outrage. I remember when steam was first announced. "But what if Valve goes out of business?!" "You can take my physical media from my cold dead hands!" Hey how is steam doing these days? "But but some steam games are cheap although that's irrelevant!" It's not about price, it's about content delivery. Steam has rules. The Xbone has rules. Take it or leave it, but don't pretend your edge scenarios are the best examples of today's everyman.

    Wait wait I have another one! How dare Netflix not allow me to access every single movie they have when my internet goes down! I'm paying for it! What about the military?!? I should be able to download their entire movie library in case my internet disappears for a short time which rarely happens!

    Also the things this new online system allows us to do is frankly awesome, so stop acting like it's 100% all negative and nothing positive. And for those of you whining about the kinect recording your underwear, seriously go get an education. Anything to enhance your critical thinking skills.
    soaringthor likes this.
    06-12-2013 06:21 PM
  6. jonathan sink's Avatar
    They beat Sony this Gen but next Gen is different. Just like Sony won with the PS2 but lost with PS3 one Gen has no affect on the next.
    I don't think that's accurate, I saw an IDC report not to long ago and ps3 had sold more then 360.
    theeboredone and Etios like this.
    06-12-2013 06:36 PM
  7. theeboredone's Avatar
    I't seems as if evryone is blindly jumping the gun and clearly not thinking out of the box. 1.) Who is to say the the inital purchace of an X1 game wouldn't be cheaper than a PS4 game after all game pricing hasnt been announced yet. The same games on PC are a helluva lot cheaper than console games. 2.) The 3rd party devs/publishers like the idea of DRM, so who's to say that they will williningly support the PS4. 3.) And the comment from Sony about using the same DRM method as the current gen PS3; now this one caught my attention and I chuckled a little bit inside. Who is to say that the current PS3 dosent have a similar type of DRM method built in, which was later decided to not be enabled. Could be Sony double talk, bu tonly time will tell.
    I took issue with both MS and Sony not having a lowered price on the digital version of their games this gen. When you cut out the middle man, something has to give. For example, Uncharted 3 for download was 60 bucks. Same price as a physical copy. I think PSN+ will be a big boost towards Indie gaming, because you will see good rates on those. Far as the AAA games go, I think Sony can remain competitive, if their digital versions are less expensive than the physical ones. It's then up to the consumer on how much they value having a physical copy vs a digital one.

    Because Sony is going to be charging for MP, I do believe Sony is removing "online passes" for their exclusives. So because I'm already paying 5 bucks a month, buying a used copy of Game A from Gamestop for 50 bucks means...you are actually buying it for 50 bucks. Third party is an unknown, and it wouldn't surprise me to see if third parties try different versions of DRM to see what sort of reception they get.
    06-12-2013 10:14 PM
  8. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    This was a more idiotic answer than what got that fellow fired a month or two back. This guy basically just DARED the Xbox community to not buy Microsoft's console, by saying "if you don't have Internet, we don't want your business." I get his point, they plan to support the 360 with new games for at least a few more year. However, the idea here is to convince people to buy your new products, not to tell them not to spend their money because the old tech fits their needs better. Reasonable answer, terrible delivery.
    LeLee092 likes this.
    06-12-2013 10:37 PM
  9. blazer236ix's Avatar
    how is it not arrogant? what if people want to enjoy the latest single player games but can't on the xbox done since they need to log on everyday
    06-12-2013 11:18 PM
  10. blazer236ix's Avatar
    i think they charged the same because they were basically giving people the choice between digital and a hard copy of a game. They probably didnt see a point in cutting the costs if people who prefer digital are willing to pay.
    06-12-2013 11:21 PM
  11. blazer236ix's Avatar
    what if your internet is out a few days? or if you take your console to someone's house and they dont have internet?
    06-12-2013 11:24 PM
  12. mr_808's Avatar
    If I have a phsycal disc and have no internet, I SHOULD be able to play my games as long as I have the disc in hand and it does not NEED cloud based content. Games should be labeled that they NEED a internet connection but, single player games ? Really ?

    Have you ever heard of Diablo 3, SIm City, Simpson's Tapped Out, Curiosity? These are all games that you need an internet connection to function. This idea is nothing new.
    Ebuka Allison likes this.
    06-13-2013 12:35 AM
  13. oldpueblo's Avatar
    what if your internet is out a few days? or if you take your console to someone's house and they dont have internet?
    What if you just got Internet or you waited for your Internet to come back? I hope you don't subscribe to any online streaming service because what if your Internet went down!?! This is designed for the most common scenario not outliers. That's like saying lets design every computer to be slow so that they don't generate a lot of heat, because what if it gets hot and someone's AC gives out and it overheats!?!
    06-13-2013 12:59 AM
  14. oldpueblo's Avatar
    how is it not arrogant? what if people want to enjoy the latest single player games but can't on the xbox done since they need to log on everyday
    Where is it written that those people are entitled to whatever they want without paying for what they want?


    As for the get a 360 answer, that's just right tool for the right job. Common sense.
    06-13-2013 01:02 AM
  15. Bicpug's Avatar
    How is expecting your console to play single player without an internet connection wanting something you didn't pay for? You paid for the console and you paid for the game; you're just asking MS not to treat you like a moron who cant be trusted with what you paid for. Microsoft are doing the Sony PS4 marketing for them.
    06-13-2013 01:12 AM
  16. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    what if your internet is out a few days? or if you take your console to someone's house and they dont have internet?
    I haven't even had my Internet service go down for a few hours, much less a few days, in the past 2 years that I've used Time-Warner.

    My previous ISP was AT&T, and it only was down for a few hours one time.
    06-13-2013 01:14 AM
  17. Bicpug's Avatar
    Incredibly, not everyone lives in the USA.
    06-13-2013 01:18 AM
  18. spaulagain's Avatar
    How is expecting your console to play single player without an internet connection wanting something you didn't pay for? You paid for the console and you paid for the game; you're just asking MS not to treat you like a moron who cant be trusted with what you paid for. Microsoft are doing the Sony PS4 marketing for them.
    You can play your games without the internet. You just need a connection for a couple minutes at some point during the day.

    That being said, I do think every 24 hours is ridiculous.

    And btw, you didn't buy the game, you bought a license to the game. Just like with PC software.
    06-13-2013 01:19 AM
  19. Bicpug's Avatar
    No, I'm pretty sure under EU law if i buy a game its MINE. I am free to sell it or do as i like with it; I am NOT permitted to copy it. EULAs that state otherwise are illegal under EU law and worthless.
    06-13-2013 01:21 AM
  20. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Have you ever heard of Diablo 3, SIm City, Simpson's Tapped Out, Curiosity? These are all games that you need an internet connection to function. This idea is nothing new.
    That it's an old concept doesn't make it a good concept. Diablo III and Sim City got RIPPED for the server issues that severely hampered launch-window single player. That's what I find so odd, that after we've ripped those occurrences, we're praising Microsoft for taking it to the next asinine level, and calling it "the future."
    06-13-2013 01:23 AM
  21. FinancialP's Avatar
    Oh well, I buy used games. I got fallout 3 for $8 bucks. I can afford new games, but I never seem to get around to buying them when they're new.

    Oh well, no love lost.
    06-13-2013 01:23 AM
  22. Bicpug's Avatar
    My issue isn't that some games require an online connection to validate them, its that ALL games do...even if i buy it on a physical disc. Why can't a game installed from a physical disc be validated by inserting the disc at least once on the day you wish to play that game.
    06-13-2013 01:28 AM
  23. Reflexx's Avatar
    Consumer: Your product "hammer" won't tighten this bolt. What if I want to tighten a bolt?

    Business: Thankfully, we do have a product called "wrench" that tightens bolts.

    Consumer: If I pay for hammer I want it to tighten bolts.

    Business: But it wasn't designed to tighten bolts.

    Consumer: But I want what I pay for.

    Business: But why would you pay for it when I'm telling you ahead of time it doesn't tighten bolts?

    Consumer: You're an arrogant jerk.
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    06-13-2013 01:33 AM
  24. spaulagain's Avatar
    No, I'm pretty sure under EU law if i buy a game its MINE. I am free to sell it or do as i like with it; I am NOT permitted to copy it. EULAs that state otherwise are illegal under EU law and worthless.
    Even current games are licensed, not sold...

    http://m.t3.com/news/microsoft-hasnt...-and-heres-why

    And yes, that includes the EU law. Microsoft is just enforcing Usage Terms that have been around for a long time.
    06-13-2013 01:33 AM
  25. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Incredibly, not everyone lives in the USA.
    USA is not the best country for broadband Internet service. 15 Countries With The Highest Broadband Internet Penetration Rate



    06-13-2013 01:37 AM
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