06-17-2013 01:46 PM
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  1. Robert Carpenter's Avatar
    So far preorder comparisons show that PS4 is outpacing Xbox One. I'm sure that this is true, but the calculations are flawed.

    So far according to Amazon, Walmart, and BestBuy (Top 3 retailers):
    For every 3 PS4's purchased, 2 Xbox One's are purchased.
    The crucial detail that is missing from this analysis: You can preorder an Xbox One directly from Microsoft. You cannot preorder a PS4 directly from Sony.

    I preordered my Xbox One from the Microsoft Store and I'm sure a lot of other people did the same. Until Microsoft releases numbers from their own internal preorders, all preorder information is irrelevant.
    06-14-2013 09:11 AM
  2. phing77's Avatar
    06-14-2013 09:16 AM
  3. Robert Carpenter's Avatar
    Thank you for that. I went to the official PS4 website and the Preorder Information did not mention anything about the Sony Store. All it did was point to websites like Amazon or Best Buy.
    06-14-2013 09:19 AM
  4. martinmc78's Avatar
    Will also be interesting to find out which of the two consoles has the most stock ready for launch.
    06-14-2013 09:23 AM
  5. vertigoOne's Avatar
    Also, when I tried pre-ordering a day one edition from Amazon, they were not available, but last I checked they were. I ended up going to a Gamestop to pre-order, then spent 10 minutes listening to the employees rant about DRM and the fact that Microsoft is doomed to fail before asking me what I needed..."I would like to pre-order the doomed Xbox One please." With a smile of course.

    I imagine the fact that Amazon had that window of unavailability did push many with interest directly to Microsoft for the pre-order. I would have if not for the fact that there is not a MS store anywhere near me.
    06-14-2013 09:25 AM
  6. Robert Carpenter's Avatar
    Also, when I tried pre-ordering a day one edition from Amazon, they were not available, but last I checked they were. I ended up going to a Gamestop to pre-order, then spent 10 minutes listening to the employees rant about DRM and the fact that Microsoft is doomed to fail before asking me what I needed..."I would like to pre-order the doomed Xbox One please." With a smile of course.

    I imagine the fact that Amazon had that window of unavailability did push many with interest directly to Microsoft for the pre-order. I would have if not for the fact that there is not a MS store anywhere near me.
    When I said Microsoft Store, I meant online ;)

    Microsoft Store - Shopping Cart

    The closest Microsoft Store to me is 2 hours away lol
    06-14-2013 09:28 AM
  7. crazeee's Avatar
    Enough with the stubborn bull****. Xbox One preorders are way higher than 10% of what Sony's preorders are. Stop speaking for everyone else.

    Your lack of intelligence is so annoying...
    You seemed pretty certain on the figures a couple of days ago.
    06-14-2013 09:29 AM
  8. martinmc78's Avatar
    Its really odd the way stores differ - The Game (UK) that I pre-ordered the One from did nothing but talk up the xbox and were shunning the PS4. They were even talking of doing a midnight launch special event over the weekend where users come back to the store after hours to share and play games that you have bought with other people in the store
    06-14-2013 09:30 AM
  9. vertigoOne's Avatar
    When I said Microsoft Store, I meant online ;)

    Microsoft Store - Shopping Cart

    The closest Microsoft Store to me is 2 hours away lol
    I ordered a Surface RT through the online store. I prefer picking something like this up in person though...old habits I guess. And I figured it would be a nice, ironic way to commemorate my last trip to Gamestop.
    06-14-2013 09:31 AM
  10. Robert Carpenter's Avatar
    You seemed pretty certain on the figures a couple of days ago.
    You must be bad at math. I said way higher than 10% of PS4 preorders.

    10% meant that for every 10 PS4's sold, 1 Xbox One is sold. Is that currently the case?
    06-14-2013 09:31 AM
  11. NaNoo123's Avatar
    Personally i reckon ps4 is out pre ordering xbox1 right now. But i reckon if ms actually gets their pr in order, still everything to play for in terms of launch.

    Obviously after launch window, everything is definitely wide open.
    06-14-2013 09:38 AM
  12. Mystictrust's Avatar
    Will also be interesting to find out which of the two consoles has the most stock ready for launch.
    The unfortunate part about it is that we will probably never know. The first company to run completely out of stock will be the first on the rooftops to proclaim they are sold out... despite how much stock they have. They won't say "sold out" though. They will talk about "unprecedented demand" and "limited supply" and "working as hard as we can to replenish stock before (Black Friday, Christmas, etc) so that everybody who wants one can enjoy the most advanced console ever made in history"

    Retailers will be quick to point out that they've sold out. Gamestop, from reports on their obvious preorder bias, will shove everyone out of the way to be able to be the first to say that PS4 has sold out. The actual limited stock that a Gamestop physical location can have on hand is going to be low anyway, for both consoles. This retail "front" of the war (for PR superiority) will be waged mostly via online retail powerhouse websites...
    06-14-2013 09:42 AM
  13. phing77's Avatar
    Look! i'm the PC guy here. but i see people in this forum still defending Xbox One because you think everyone has internet connection. it's sad... it literally mean you guys exclude poor people who can only afford one or two game for a while and the oversea people. i used to have a PS2 before and it's kinda fun to able to take it with you anywhere and just plug and play. INTERNET IS THE FUTURE but we are not ready yet... anyway just my two cents PS4 or Xbox One it's ur choice..
    06-14-2013 09:43 AM
  14. Robert Carpenter's Avatar
    Look! i'm the PC guy here. but i see people in this forum still defending Xbox One because you think everyone has internet connection. it's sad... it literally mean you guys exclude poor people who can only afford one or two game for a while and the oversea people. i used to have a PS2 before and it's kinda fun to able to take it with you anywhere and just plug and play. INTERNET IS THE FUTURE but we are not ready yet... anyway just my two cents PS4 or Xbox One it's ur choice..
    I don't think everyone has internet. But I do think it's stupid that those people are complaining when they have the option to buy a different product.
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    06-14-2013 09:49 AM
  15. sinime's Avatar
    I think the limited quantity of the Limited edition Day One XBox One is also messing with the numbers. I haven't gone back to the GameStop where I preordered, but when I went on Monday, they said they were only gauranteed 14... and asside from employees preordering it, I was the first non-employee customer to preorder from them... Granted I was Johny on the spot... Called in sick to work, watched the event and went to GameStop as soon as the notification email went out.
    06-14-2013 09:51 AM
  16. Zokudu's Avatar
    Look! i'm the PC guy here. but i see people in this forum still defending Xbox One because you think everyone has internet connection. it's sad... it literally mean you guys exclude poor people who can only afford one or two game for a while and the oversea people. i used to have a PS2 before and it's kinda fun to able to take it with you anywhere and just plug and play. INTERNET IS THE FUTURE but we are not ready yet... anyway just my two cents PS4 or Xbox One it's ur choice..
    Poor people who can shell out $600 for the actual console and a game? A PS2 was $99 for at least 7 years now.
    06-14-2013 09:51 AM
  17. Mystictrust's Avatar
    I think the limited quantity of the Limited edition Day One XBox One is also messing with the numbers. I haven't gone back to the GameStop where I preordered, but when I went on Monday, they said they were only gauranteed 14... and asside from employees preordering it, I was the first non-employee customer to preorder from them... Granted I was Johny on the spot... Called in sick to work, watched the event and went to GameStop as soon as the notification email went out.
    Somehow I dont think that's it. Each store is going to have a low amount of consoles physically in-store anyway. Amazon sold out of Day One consoles, then sold Standard Edition consoles, then I read of people getting emails that their Standard consoles were upgraded to Day One, and yesterday the only available option I saw on Amazon was for Day One edition consoles.

    Plus, Microsoft is still advertising (Xbox.com) of Day One consoles available for preorder at the Microsoft Store online.
    06-14-2013 09:59 AM
  18. MFmonster's Avatar
    @phing "Internet is the future"? I have been using the internet for over 20 years. I think I understand what you are trying to convey though. Are you are trying to point out that the majority of the world population does not have access or does not utilize this thing we call the internet?

    I think the focus on the cloud and having the console connected to the internet it what makes the Xbox One great. BUT, I think there should be another option for those that want to play an Xbox one without the internet. The one thing MS failed at in my opinoin is the 100% requirement that the console needs to "check in" once every 24 hours to continue playing games. The consumer that does not utilize or have internet access would miss out on cloud storage, evolving games and worlds because of no continued access to the cloud. They would miss out on applications and other services the console will offer. That can and should be changed. Give people the option to 'only' use the machine to play a game they buy at the store. Most people that will buy the Xbox One will have internet and it really should not be an issue for most people that buy the console, but it could have saved the PR nightmare and improved sales by being a tad less rigid. Xbox One 'mini' that only plays games. No access to DLC, applications, etc, just games they buy at the store.
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    06-14-2013 10:03 AM
  19. vertigoOne's Avatar
    Look! i'm the PC guy here. but i see people in this forum still defending Xbox One because you think everyone has internet connection. it's sad... it literally mean you guys exclude poor people who can only afford one or two game for a while and the oversea people. i used to have a PS2 before and it's kinda fun to able to take it with you anywhere and just plug and play. INTERNET IS THE FUTURE but we are not ready yet... anyway just my two cents PS4 or Xbox One it's ur choice..
    You said it yourself, if you don't have internet there are other options and it is everyone's choice, nobody is forcing anyone to do anything here. Want "next gen" without the internet requirement? Sony has graciously provided the legacy path for those in this situation. Microsoft evidently feels that the "no internet available" demographic is covered well enough with the 360 that they can move forward with the next gen.

    I am pretty sure that not being able to play next gen video games on a next gen console with an HDTV qualifies as a first-world problem, and would not be a concern to somebody in a third-world situation. They would probably count us all as fools for even devoting time to this discussion.
    06-14-2013 10:14 AM
  20. TeknoBlast's Avatar
    Look! i'm the PC guy here. but i see people in this forum still defending Xbox One because you think everyone has internet connection. it's sad... it literally mean you guys exclude poor people who can only afford one or two game for a while and the oversea people. i used to have a PS2 before and it's kinda fun to able to take it with you anywhere and just plug and play. INTERNET IS THE FUTURE but we are not ready yet... anyway just my two cents PS4 or Xbox One it's ur choice..
    Poor people make me laugh. HA! HA!
    06-14-2013 10:15 AM
  21. phing77's Avatar
    That's what i heard from Microsoft :D
    06-14-2013 12:38 PM
  22. phing77's Avatar
    Poor people make me laugh. HA! HA!
    -_- it's a joke right?
    06-14-2013 12:39 PM
  23. theeboredone's Avatar
    I've been a bit confused on pre-orders from a store to store basis. GameStop says they are taking in a limited quantity for both consoles (8 near my home). However, Best Buy is just doing the whole "We'll take as many" and when I asked how that would work, they said, when the time comes, they would be telling MS/Sony how many pre-orders they got, therefore, how many guarantee sales they have. Hard to believe Best Buy having 100 X1's in stock Day 1 if that's how many pre-orders they got.
    06-14-2013 12:45 PM
  24. TeknoBlast's Avatar
    -_- it's a joke right?

    Nope nope, not a joke at all. Poor people actually make me laugh. I laugh because these are the same people that own high end cars and high-end mobile devices while living in some mud shack; all while still complaining about not having some sort of internet service, but still be able to afford their desired gaming console plus game cost and online cost. So yeah, I laugh.

    06-14-2013 01:28 PM
  25. Mystictrust's Avatar

    Nope nope, not a joke at all. Poor people actually make me laugh. I laugh because these are the same people that own high end cars and high-end mobile devices while living in some mud shack; all while still complaining about not having some sort of internet service, but still be able to afford their desired gaming console plus game cost and online cost. So yeah, I laugh.
    *sigh* That reminds me of some people I used to know. They could barely afford to feed themselves (fortunately, they did feed their kids). They quite literally would eat one cup of Ramen noodles every day or two, if that... though they would give lots of food to their hungry kids, so at least the kids didn't starve. When tax returns came, they would go out and waste all of it on big tech gadgets. They of course always got back double or triple what I got back, thanks to dependents and such. They had multiple consoles they would buy games for. They pawned any and everything, but usually kept most of their games. I actually think they pawned a game I lent them once, and just told me they lost it :/ These same people also take what little they have and pour it into drugs, alcohol, and cigarettes as well. And then complain about not having much money for anything. I really enjoyed spending time with them, but it was sad to see the way they handled their situation sometimes. They weren't usually debbie downers at all, and didn't always complain, but seeing how they handled it all... wow.
    06-14-2013 02:07 PM
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