06-24-2013 07:58 PM
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  1. NaNoo123's Avatar
    That is true. For myself I am going to buy digital copies as much as I can. So I think I'll be alright. I wish they would of been wiser with their decision. I believe their was a better comprise they could have come up with to please both sides of the argument.
    not in the short time that there is till launch. Maybe after launch.
    They even said so, so all is not lost for
    the future.
    I think they may be able to come up with benefits for digitally bought games and leave disks as is. I really do think this could end up worse for GameStop as people will now have even more reason to go digital. If ms brings in selling, gifting, sharing to digital.
    06-20-2013 06:18 PM
  2. beachhoppr's Avatar
    I still think the new Kinect will try to kill me either way.
    06-20-2013 06:26 PM
  3. paulxxwall's Avatar
    If there's a patch can I opt out of the patch I don't mind drm. change is good
    06-20-2013 06:27 PM
  4. Savin Nay Wangtal's Avatar
    Hello,

    I speak on behalf of a gamer, and not an MS fanboy:

    I'm not getting XBone.


    I never cared much for the DRM. I'm a PC gamer, and my primary games are all online--I know that any day, my favorite game can disappear. I'm used to not being able to give my old games to people--and that's fine for me. Hell, I was totally on the bandwagon with always giving the Dev a cut--AS LONG AS THEY DO IT FAIRLY AND WITH TRANSPARENCY.

    See, with services like Good Old Games, I'm willing to pay up for games, and the service shows me goodwill by making it DRM-free. Steam had a spotty launch, but the community was much smaller back then, so the problem never devolved into verification errors weeks after a game launch. Not to mention they also added offline mode--again, a sign of goodwill.
    And what did MS tells us? "Oh, if you can't afford an always on connection, get a 360--you're not for us!" That's right, they just shat in my face.
    Or the console launch event? "Here are all the services we have for non-gamers. You gamers.....we'll show you a mo-cap dog!"
    Or for those of us (me, for example) outside of the US? "Oh, our services really doesn't quite extend to you. Yeah....those online TVs? Nope, not available in your territory. Want the console anyway? Nah, we don't sell one in your region. Oh, you're from Europe? Here's one for 620 bucks!"

    It doesn't matter how they backtracked, it doesn't matter if they "listened to the weak and feeble-minded", we gamers are not going to condone the XBone because we are no longer their valued customer. MS insulted us repeatedly, treated us like fools, and they are catering all their services to Apple fans. In all honesty, no gamers would be able to forgive MS for quite a good while.
    06-20-2013 06:47 PM
  5. daniel_sherlock's Avatar
    Good bye to DRM, got my pc for that console is the pure classic gaming i enjoy with my family, I enjoy getting preowned deals i cant afford new games all the time. Zero restrictions on my games are welcome. If you are that bothered with DRM buy a gaming pc and connect it to your tv steam has an mode where you can use just a controller. What ms were trying to do has been done I don't need them doing it, console gaming is apart from that world for a reason!
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    06-20-2013 07:08 PM
  6. Mystictrust's Avatar
    If there's a patch can I opt out of the patch I don't mind drm. change is good
    lol, I thought about doing the same thing. However, there's a 99.9999% chance it will be a system-wide patch, and you will be signed out of Xbox Live until you download it. Unfortunately, that's no good, because you would need to be connected anyway :P
    06-20-2013 07:10 PM
  7. Skunkwurx's Avatar
    I am so pissed off at tech journalists for ruining what was in my eyes one of the best things about xbox.... I even convinced non-techy ps4 heads to convert... Why, because EVERYONE I know has had the net for the past 5-8 years, I'm sorry but this is 2013 where the only people without internet are over 70... (if you can't afford the internet you damn well can't afford the XBO) With the internet (which is only going to get more widespread) the drm system KILLED the disc.... No scratched on second hand games, playing in a mates with out the disc, giving digital loans and so on...

    One thing everyone missed is remember how MS said games will be able to offload processing to the cloud? the only way a dev will do that is if he knows everyone has the net so everyone can play.... GONE... XBO was so close to being able to have full on cloud games but no.... Retards using the internet to complain about needing the internet.... WHAT??????????? I'd nearly guarantee that 99% of complainers have the net (tho by the way they say it drops out and is glitch i'd say they get 5 min a week) and were never going to buy one.... XBO has stepped back a generation.... no other way to put it...

    Where did you send an email to Microsoft... Can never find an email address I looking for or even area of complaint.... infact I could never find the complaint section.....
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    06-20-2013 07:56 PM
  8. michfan's Avatar
    I am so pissed off at tech journalists for ruining what was in my eyes one of the best things about xbox.... I even convinced non-techy ps4 heads to convert... Why, because EVERYONE I know has had the net for the past 5-8 years, I'm sorry but this is 2013 where the only people without internet are over 70... (if you can't afford the internet you damn well can't afford the XBO) With the internet (which is only going to get more widespread) the drm system KILLED the disc.... No scratched on second hand games, playing in a mates with out the disc, giving digital loans and so on...

    One thing everyone missed is remember how MS said games will be able to offload processing to the cloud? the only way a dev will do that is if he knows everyone has the net so everyone can play.... GONE... XBO was so close to being able to have full on cloud games but no.... Retards using the internet to complain about needing the internet.... WHAT??????????? I'd nearly guarantee that 99% of complainers have the net (tho by the way they say it drops out and is glitch i'd say they get 5 min a week) and were never going to buy one.... XBO has stepped back a generation.... no other way to put it...

    Where did you send an email to Microsoft... Can never find an email address I looking for or even area of complaint.... infact I could never find the complaint section.....
    Get your facts straight before you starting calling others retards.
    Microsoft's cloud computing 'vision' for Xbox One remains unchanged | Joystiq
    06-20-2013 08:09 PM
  9. vovakyan's Avatar
    One thing everyone missed is remember how MS said games will be able to offload processing to the cloud? the only way a dev will do that is if he knows everyone has the net so everyone can play.... GONE... XBO was so close to being able to have full on cloud games but no.... Retards using the internet to complain about needing the internet.... WHAT??????????? I'd nearly guarantee that 99% of complainers have the net (tho by the way they say it drops out and is glitch i'd say they get 5 min a week) and were never going to buy one.... XBO has stepped back a generation.... no other way to put it...
    You are right. I forgot to mention that, but that was also one of my considerations. Now it is completely underpowered compared to the PS4.

    I logged into the Microsoft Store to cancel my order using the chat feature. While I was doing that, the rep told me that I could take a few minutes to write up something he would forward. Also, on the official XBOX website there is a feedback button. He told me to post it there also.
    06-20-2013 08:09 PM
  10. vovakyan's Avatar
    Get your facts straight before you starting calling others retards.
    Microsoft's cloud computing 'vision' for Xbox One remains unchanged | Joystiq
    How can it be the same if you are not obligated to be online and the developers has no reason to develop for that scenario. It's a pipe dream now. Check your sources.
    06-20-2013 08:13 PM
  11. VidJuhEffex's Avatar
    Those are the real features... to you. To me, Family Sharing was a "real" feature. As for the 300k servers, developers will be less inclined to use them for "mind-blowing" stuff since they want the biggest market and won't want to excluded the "offline" players out there. For the same reason they included the Kinect, they required you to be online... DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS! Now the cloud is going to sit there and host game saves and multiplayer servers... yay! /s.
    06-20-2013 08:15 PM
  12. NaNoo123's Avatar
    You are right. I forgot to mention that, but that was also one of my considerations. Now it is completely underpowered compared to the PS4.
    you don't seem to be aware that the change in drm has nothing to do with cloud computing.
    That was and still is ms's plans, absolutely nothing has changed in that regard.
    Regardless if you believe in cloud extra processing or not.
    And when i say nothings changed, i mean absolutely nothing. Not even, them having to push it into future, less developers using it, nothing, it's still the same.
    People keep, mixing up what change in drm actually means.
    Maybe down to ms mixed messaging to begin with?
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    06-20-2013 08:22 PM
  13. michfan's Avatar
    How can it be the same if you are not obligated to be online and the developers has no reason to develop for that scenario. It's a pipe dream now. Check your sources.
    How about you provide a reliable source to the contrary of the one I provided?

    Since you seem to agree with the person I was replying to ... then I'll assume you agree with his/her statement that 99% of the people are online. In that case there will be minimal if any impact on cloud gaming.
    06-20-2013 08:24 PM
  14. xboxonthego3's Avatar
    How can it be the same if you are not obligated to be online and the developers has no reason to develop for that scenario. It's a pipe dream now. Check your sources.
    Why do they have no reason to develop for that scenario? It is their game. If they want it to have cloud computing to enhance the overall experience they can. The developer will just have to require you to have internet connection for the game. To say they have no reason to develop for cloud computing is absurd! The ideal scenario would be for them to design the games to work with and without cloud computing. To keep everyone happy. It is not a pipe dream.
    06-20-2013 08:25 PM
  15. NaNoo123's Avatar
    You have to understand xbo was NEVER permanently online, it had a checkin.
    06-20-2013 08:26 PM
  16. jrnag24's Avatar
    and I will still buy it even though I was fine with the DRM as I don't sell my games anyway
    06-20-2013 10:08 PM
  17. VidJuhEffex's Avatar
    This is the comparison: When Jet Force Gemini came out for the N64 their team was asked whether or not they wanted to require the optional "expansion pack" (remember that thing?) They decided AGAINST it, because they knew every gamer DIDN'T have the expansion pack so it was a safe bet they would have a larger audience.

    Despite record-breaking sales, the Kinect, had a hard time gaining dedicated development because, again, we know 100% of xbox gamers have Xboxes, but only x amount have Kinects. This is why they included it in the box.

    It's going to be the same for the cloud: "We could use the cloud but x% of Xboxes are offline, lets sell to the bigger audience"

    The 24 check in was basically a guarantee to developers, "Yes they are online, yes use the cloud". Without out that, its Kinect and PSMove development all over again. Expect 1st party devs to use it and third party support to all but dry up beyond game saves and hosting MP matches.
    06-20-2013 10:10 PM
  18. smoledman's Avatar
    Microsoft had no choice. The media ****storm was too great. There was no discussion about the awesome new tech of XBox One, only DRM/DRM/DRM, non-stop. Combnied with bad pre-order #s and the Navy boycott. Microsoft needed to reset the discussion. They will reintroduce the digital sharing options over time and in a way that doesn't offend hard-core gamers and Navy men.
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    06-20-2013 10:13 PM
  19. vovakyan's Avatar
    How about you provide a reliable source to the contrary of the one I provided?

    Since you seem to agree with the person I was replying to ... then I'll assume you agree with his/her statement that 99% of the people are online. In that case there will be minimal if any impact on cloud gaming.
    If 99% of people are going to be online then didn't Microsoft overreact and we lost some great features going back to my original post.
    06-20-2013 10:39 PM
  20. vovakyan's Avatar
    Microsoft had no choice. The media ****storm was too great. There was no discussion about the awesome new tech of XBox One, only DRM/DRM/DRM, non-stop. Combnied with bad pre-order #s and the Navy boycott. Microsoft needed to reset the discussion. They will reintroduce the digital sharing options over time and in a way that doesn't offend hard-core gamers and Navy men.
    They will have no reason to anymore.
    06-20-2013 10:41 PM
  21. Greg Gorby's Avatar
    Microsoft did have a choice. They chose the money.
    06-20-2013 10:42 PM
  22. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Microsoft had no choice. The media ****storm was too great. There was no discussion about the awesome new tech of XBox One, only DRM/DRM/DRM, non-stop. Combnied with bad pre-order #s and the Navy boycott. Microsoft needed to reset the discussion. They will reintroduce the digital sharing options over time and in a way that doesn't offend hard-core gamers and Navy men.
    Reset the discussion? All they did was fan the flames and make stuff worse with their PR disaster. They never even tried to BETTER the discussion, let alone make it swing to the positive.
    06-20-2013 10:55 PM
  23. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    It's going to be the same for the cloud: "We could use the cloud but x% of Xboxes are offline, lets sell to the bigger audience"

    The 24 check in was basically a guarantee to developers, "Yes they are online, yes use the cloud". Without out that, its Kinect and PSMove development all over again. Expect 1st party devs to use it and third party support to all but dry up beyond game saves and hosting MP matches.
    Yet Microsoft never discussed this. They basically hoped that people would ignore inconvenience and EXPECT improvements, instead of explaining what the benefits would be and why there had to be tradeoffs, Microsoft just decided to say "we're providing these inconveniences, but stuff might be better." They never really explained themselves, and they never tried to quiet the dissenters. Honestly, it's as if they WANTED the backlash as an excuse to kill the DRM or something.

    Also, don't underestimate the fact that the Kinect was a laggy, inconsistent mess in many cases. A lot of popular titles simply were incapable of working with the first Kinect, simply because of technological limitations.
    06-20-2013 10:59 PM
  24. michfan's Avatar
    If 99% of people are going to be online then didn't Microsoft overreact and we lost some great features going back to my original post.
    You're changing the subject. I was replying to someone else's misstatement regarding cloud, you stepped into it. You still haven't provided a link to any reputable source suggesting cloud is hurt by this move. I have no patience for crybabies who call people ignorant or retards (our military included) because they had legitimate grievances/concerns with a poorly communicated and explained DRM system and the suggestion they buy a 360 if they don't like it. Apparently you choose to commiserate with and defend such crybabies, even when they're wrong and hypocritical.
    06-20-2013 11:12 PM
  25. vovakyan's Avatar
    You're changing the subject. I was replying to someone else's misstatement regarding cloud, you stepped into it. You still haven't provided a link to any reputable source suggesting cloud is hurt by this move. I have no patience for crybabies who call people ignorant or retards (our military included) because they had legitimate grievances/concerns with a poorly communicated and explained DRM system and the suggestion they buy a 360 if they don't like it. Apparently you choose to commiserate with and defend such crybabies, even when they're wrong and hypocritical.
    I don't think you are following what I am saying. Anyways, I preordered the console because of some great new features. They changed those features without any regard to the people that preordered it. That is why those people should cancel, to make a statement, and maybe even get some of those features back. People need to make a statement with their pocketbooks. You can always change your mind and buy one again. Especially if you like paying more for less.
    Last edited by vovakyan; 06-21-2013 at 12:12 AM.
    06-20-2013 11:19 PM
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