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12-14-2014 02:24 PM
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  1. coip's Avatar
    ya it's statements like this just make everything clear as mud. I wish they would just come out and say yes it will do extender or over the air. I would buy one for sure then.
    Indeed, my only guess for why they haven't announced anything yet or have put off their plans for incorporating such features is because they're still negotiating with cable and satellite TV providers in a plethora of countries to try to get a piece of their pie (they may even be trying to set up a cell phone-esque subsidy deal that enables cable TV subscribers to buy an Xbox One on contract at a lower price. So, maybe they're trying not to disrupt those negotiations. I've been bothering Major Nelson, Xbox, and Microsoft on Twitter, though, letting them know that we want OTA television integration in Xbox One. If more people do that, maybe they will.
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    09-26-2013 01:08 PM
  2. DavidinCT's Avatar
    Indeed, my only guess for why they haven't announced anything yet or have put off their plans for incorporating such features is because they're still negotiating with cable and satellite TV providers in a plethora of countries to try to get a piece of their pie (they may even be trying to set up a cell phone-esque subsidy deal that enables cable TV subscribers to buy an Xbox One on contract at a lower price. So, maybe they're trying not to disrupt those negotiations. I've been bothering Major Nelson, Xbox, and Microsoft on Twitter, though, letting them know that we want OTA television integration in Xbox One. If more people do that, maybe they will.
    The only problem with Xbox One's TV feature is it needs you to connect a cable box or sat box to it via HDMi. When they showed it in the preview(at the press statement) channel changes were instant with no lag. In the real world with using your DVR/Cable box or sat box, it will be nothing like this. The Xbox one will not have any internal TV tuners, so you would need to add them if they even supported that.

    Go to your current DVR/Cable box, Type in a 3-4 number channel and count the time that it takes to change the channel before the channel is on and viewable. Normally this takes at at least 2 seconds on a cable box and on a sat dish, closer to 3-4 seconds (longer when a DVR is involved). Then you have the overlays (where your cable box shows the channel your on and the info about the show when you put on a channel) that you will see on the Xbox One.

    This is almost like people using a cable box with Windows Media Center and IR blasters with a cablebox. It works and for the most part, it works good but, you still deal with the cable box overlays, it makes it ugly and can be really slow. This is how YOUR cable box or sat will work on the xbox one and with a little more lag (channel changes can be slower to make sure it gets the commands).

    Microsoft needs to support or use Windows Media Center tuners or networkable cable card/Clear QAM/OTA devices. A few companies make a network/USB 3-4 tuner cablecard tuners, this would work great for cable tv and most cable companies will give 1 cable card for free for people. This could make the delay a lot less and no overlays !

    Personally, I dream that Microsoft BRINGS back Media Center but, updates it above the xbox one's TV section with DVR and every other web based dream someone could think of. It could be pretty epic, If Microsoft would only take on the project. I would also pay like $200 for a product like that extra over windows...
    Last edited by DavidinCT; 09-26-2013 at 02:47 PM.
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    09-26-2013 02:33 PM
  3. dgr_874's Avatar
    I agree but, Microsoft has pretty much signaled their intentions with Windows Media Center. To quote (very badly) one of my favorite characters "it's dead Jim" I just figure I'll keep using my windows 8 PC and pic up Xbox 360's for cheap over the next 5 years or so. By then I'm sure something new will have come along and I'll switch to that.
    09-30-2013 09:52 AM
  4. DavidinCT's Avatar
    I agree but, Microsoft has pretty much signaled their intentions with Windows Media Center. To quote (very badly) one of my favorite characters "it's dead Jim" I just figure I'll keep using my windows 8 PC and pic up Xbox 360's for cheap over the next 5 years or so. By then I'm sure something new will have come along and I'll switch to that.
    If another DVR based PC software gets a Cablecard Cert(that can view all channels), then I would look at it too, the problem is MythTV or the 4-5 other PVR software options only support cablecard if they are unencrypted. If your lucky, only your locals in your area are unencrypted on cablecard.

    There was so much that Media Center could of been, did you know at one point they were testing Dish Network and DirecTV devices (custom made devices) to use with Windows Media Center(these were all over engadget at one point) ? They never hit the market (sad to say). I would of changed my provider just for a better signal or more channels (dish or direct) in Media Center.

    Microsoft sold off their Mediaroom department (AT&T uverse DVR, looked almost like MC) and broke up the eHome team right before that. The only thing that makes me partly think it might come back is because of the work on the Xbox one with the TV end of it. Because of all the different providers just in the US alone, they would have a whole department or 2 working on this to make it work for everyone(trust me there is a lot of different providers in the US). Never mind 1/2 the ehome group still works at Microsoft.

    They spend all this money to get this feature working(xbox one TV), why not port it to the PC...with a DVR end ? The costs would not be crazy high (because the product works, it's just gota be ported with some addon features). Offer it as a addon product packaged with a kinect for $200 and I would be all over it.

    I am crossing my fingers but, not holding my breath that at some point they take that on..... Really hope they do... They could do crazy stuff if they put their minds to it...

    I've been using Media Center from XP Media Center...(very first release of it).
    09-30-2013 12:49 PM
  5. coip's Avatar
    I agree but, Microsoft has pretty much signaled their intentions with Windows Media Center. To quote (very badly) one of my favorite characters "it's dead Jim" I just figure I'll keep using my windows 8 PC and pic up Xbox 360's for cheap over the next 5 years or so. By then I'm sure something new will have come along and I'll switch to that.
    You definitely seem right that t hey are killing off Media Center, but I still don't understand why. It is a really cool piece of software, they've developed it for years, why suddenly pull the plug? The confusing part is, why develop it and optimize it for Windows 8, only to package it separately. I don't quite get what they are doing here.
    09-30-2013 01:48 PM
  6. dgr_874's Avatar
    You definitely seem right that t hey are killing off Media Center, but I still don't understand why. It is a really cool piece of software, they've developed it for years, why suddenly pull the plug? The confusing part is, why develop it and optimize it for Windows 8, only to package it separately. I don't quite get what they are doing here.
    As far as I know, it really isn't optimized for Windows 8. I thought the release was identical to Windows 7. I could be wrong though.

    I think that it just wasn't profitable or used very much. I remember seeing a statistic last year that less than 10% of people even opened Media Center and something like .05% used it on a regular basis. That coupled with pressure i'm sure from the cable companies led to its downfall.
    09-30-2013 08:39 PM
  7. richmed's Avatar
    Gentlemen, I think this is an interesting topic. For long time I've been asking myself, "why is not Media Center in every TV setup?"....marketing... damn marketing... Microsoft had the software and hardware to support it all the way, but sometimes the MEDIA around Apple is just so 'destructive' and users neglected to believe the hype around Media Center. If I would only had recorded those dumb faces of guests coming to my house when Media Center is running in front of their eyes, I would have posted here links from YouTube. Still a cheap solution. I'm buying a new house, and close to the end of month moving into it. My plan is a media rack with a small form factor PC (Win7) running the show, becuase even when TVs are Smart, there's nothing like WMC. ;-)
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    10-04-2013 04:15 PM
  8. spaulagain's Avatar
    Xbox Ones should just replace Cable Set Top boxes. I think this is their long term goal.
    10-04-2013 04:51 PM
  9. Wuping's Avatar
    The only problem with Xbox One's TV feature is it needs you to connect a cable box or sat box to it via HDMi. When they showed it in the preview(at the press statement) channel changes were instant with no lag. In the real world with using your DVR/Cable box or sat box, it will be nothing like this. The Xbox one will not have any internal TV tuners, so you would need to add them if they even supported that.

    Go to your current DVR/Cable box, Type in a 3-4 number channel and count the time that it takes to change the channel before the channel is on and viewable. Normally this takes at at least 2 seconds on a cable box and on a sat dish, closer to 3-4 seconds (longer when a DVR is involved). Then you have the overlays (where your cable box shows the channel your on and the info about the show when you put on a channel) that you will see on the Xbox One.

    This is almost like people using a cable box with Windows Media Center and IR blasters with a cablebox. It works and for the most part, it works good but, you still deal with the cable box overlays, it makes it ugly and can be really slow. This is how YOUR cable box or sat will work on the xbox one and with a little more lag (channel changes can be slower to make sure it gets the commands).

    Microsoft needs to support or use Windows Media Center tuners or networkable cable card/Clear QAM/OTA devices. A few companies make a network/USB 3-4 tuner cablecard tuners, this would work great for cable tv and most cable companies will give 1 cable card for free for people. This could make the delay a lot less and no overlays !

    Personally, I dream that Microsoft BRINGS back Media Center but, updates it above the xbox one's TV section with DVR and every other web based dream someone could think of. It could be pretty epic, If Microsoft would only take on the project. I would also pay like $200 for a product like that extra over windows...
    Well I can say from personal experience that I don't experience any delay when changing channels, my setup is as follows a cable card inside of a Silicon Dust HD Home Run Prime (a network tv tuner) a pc running windows 8 with media center and a Synology DS 213 as a drive where my recording are stored and 3 xbox 360's running as a extender. I plan on getting a xbox one and just connecting the 360 to it, I don't expect any delay in the input.
    11-09-2013 04:12 PM
  10. fpostrow's Avatar
    Getting to the point where I'm rather disgusted about the XB1 not supporting Media Center. Honestly I would prefer it replaced Media Center but clearly that's not happening either so we are starting at the worst case scenario. If you need a 360 to use Media Center connected to an XB1 what is the bloody point of getting an XB1 in the first place? I may ebay the 2 Day 1's I have pre-ordered and stick with the 360. In the end I will not go back to the days of crappy POS cable co boxes or DVR's. I'd pull the plug before I go that route.
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    11-10-2013 02:00 PM
  11. jasqid's Avatar
    Getting to the point where I'm rather disgusted about the XB1 not supporting Media Center. Honestly I would prefer it replaced Media Center but clearly that's not happening either so we are starting at the worst case [HR][/HR]. If you need a 360 to use Media Center connected to an XB1 what is the bloody point of getting an XB1 in the first place? I may ebay the 2 Day 1's I have pre-ordered and stick with the 360. In the end I will not go back to the days of crappy POS cable co boxes or DVR's. I'd pull the plug before I go that route.
    That's exactly how I feel. I'm the guy usually up on tech and I became a cord cutter this past spring. Over the months I've learned to live with alternate viewing habits... IE.. hdhomerun with dual tuners for live TV. That is being hosted by my main Pc in the den and I use the extender feature of the 360 to watch our locals and recordings. Hell, I even ripped my DVDs and added them to the movie library.

    My point in mentioning this is that I think MS was ahead of their time. 10 years ago folks weren't ready to be a cord cutter. But internet speeds have gotten better and with a crappy economy, TV is first to get cut back. I held off, but now I don't think ill go back to pay TV.

    Maybe xb1 wont be the traditional extender, but perhaps someone makes an app for it. I contacted silicon dust about xb1 after I read extender was dropped. They are looking at this as an option but no specifics were supplied to me.
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    11-10-2013 03:48 PM
  12. oldpueblo's Avatar
    Getting to the point where I'm rather disgusted about the XB1 not supporting Media Center. Honestly I would prefer it replaced Media Center but clearly that's not happening either so we are starting at the worst case scenario. If you need a 360 to use Media Center connected to an XB1 what is the bloody point of getting an XB1 in the first place? I may ebay the 2 Day 1's I have pre-ordered and stick with the 360. In the end I will not go back to the days of crappy POS cable co boxes or DVR's. I'd pull the plug before I go that route.
    Whoaaa there, I thought the Xbone would at least function the same as the 360 and act as a media center extender. Are you saying for absolutely sure that's not the case? We have to keep using a 360? Is there anywhere this is stated fairly officially?

    DOH! I didn't realize I never finished the first page of this thread. Nevermind, cancelling my pre-order probably.
    Last edited by oldpueblo; 11-11-2013 at 01:18 PM.
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    11-11-2013 01:02 PM
  13. peachy001's Avatar
    These new boxes are pulling the features I would assume are basic. I have a question. I currently use my wired network to view films from my PC hard drive. Will I still be able to do this with the One? Shabby if not. I do not use the Media Extender option, just look at the shared folder on my PC
    11-11-2013 01:15 PM
  14. DavidinCT's Avatar
    Well I can say from personal experience that I don't experience any delay when changing channels, my setup is as follows a cable card inside of a Silicon Dust HD Home Run Prime (a network tv tuner) a pc running windows 8 with media center and a Synology DS 213 as a drive where my recording are stored and 3 xbox 360's running as a extender. I plan on getting a xbox one and just connecting the 360 to it, I don't expect any delay in the input.
    Right and each users will see it different. I know with my Ceton 4 cablecard tuner, I get about a second or 2, depending on the channel (DRM'ed channels tend to take a hair longer) but, it's acceptable. With a Dish DVR, there is about a 2-3 second delay on channel changes. It's not bad but, it's something you get used to. DVRs tend to take a little longer due to buffering the channels.

    The Xbox one REQURES a cable box or sat box, No word if you can plug a Media Center PC directly in or not (that would be interesting). So you might need to get a cable box to use this feature on the xbox one...Never mind Microsoft said the Xbox one is NOT a DVR and you wont be able to access your DVR recorded shows in the xbox one's menu.

    They have given up some info about it but, not all of it, sad to say, most of this wont be known till you take a device and plug it in...

    I still really wish Microsoft would take on Media Center again, or at least update it for some features and content... Next year I plan on getting a 4K tv, I know with MC the way it is, I am SOL for supporting 4K content in MC, even though the PC can handle 8K content...
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    11-11-2013 02:55 PM
  15. Dexter505's Avatar
    I wonder if the Xbox One will be able to communicate with wmc? Can you connect your htpc running wmc to the Xbox One and get a guide and other features like recording etc? There hasn't been much information about this.
    11-12-2013 09:22 AM
  16. ncxcstud's Avatar
    I think they did not include the ability to be a Windows Media Center Extender on the XBOX One as they have it on the 360...

    Having it on the 360 has been awesome and I used it everyday on my internship in Alabama to watch broadcast TV I recorded on my PC. It was awesome.
    11-12-2013 10:04 AM
  17. oldpueblo's Avatar
    Someone brought up a good point which is why not just plug your HTPC directly into the Xbone? If you guys recall there is an IR blaster for the PC that came with the media center remote (I think, it's been a long time). I'm going to dig it out of a drawer and test it again. That means putting the PC by the TV again, but it's a low profile deal anyway and it would be replacing the space the 360 is in, so roughly equivalent.

    For example:

    http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-00-O...pUvbUpU2216713

    Do not buy that if you haven't verified it's good, I've done no research on current generation drivers, etc.
    11-12-2013 10:28 AM
  18. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Wouldn't using a wireless mouse be preferable?
    11-12-2013 10:39 AM
  19. oldpueblo's Avatar
    Wouldn't using a wireless mouse be preferable?
    I meant more for the IR blaster than the remote, they just happened to be bundled together. The IR blaster is how the Xbone performs all its functions now I believe. And the Media Center interface on the PC acts just like a regular guide, assuming the Xbone recognizes it during setup, etc.

    11-12-2013 10:43 AM
  20. Dexter505's Avatar
    I think they did not include the ability to be a Windows Media Center Extender on the XBOX One as they have it on the 360...

    Having it on the 360 has been awesome and I used it everyday on my internship in Alabama to watch broadcast TV I recorded on my PC. It was awesome.
    Not as an extender but with the hdmi in.
    11-12-2013 10:50 PM
  21. fpostrow's Avatar
    Unfortunately the details on this functionality have been very vague. They have said it will work if you have a crappy cable co box connected via HDMI but have not said that you can do the same with a Windows PC. It has been assumed that you can connect a 360 to your 1 via HDMI to accomplish this but honestly, what's the bloody point of doing that? Also, let's say you have a setup like most Media Center users do; 1 DVR rig running Media Center with multiple TB's of storage that is accessed by 360's or a few left over Linksys Extenders. How will you integrate the 1, or two 1's even if you can HDMI the 1 to your Media Center PC? That only covers one 1. As I have said before I will not go back to the days of renting a POS cable co provided DVR or ugly tuner box to put next to the 1 which should be able to connect to my eco system with ease and aplomb. I know we are early in the 1's life span but MS should be all over this out of the gate.
    11-13-2013 07:29 AM
  22. Coreldan's Avatar
    MS employee has confirmed to me that PC can be connected with the HDMI to the Xbox One. Naturally it would still cause the issue of how you control that when likely the mouse and KB are elsewhere, but if you had some HTPC kinda setup, perhaps a wireless mouse on the coffee table does the trick :D
    11-13-2013 07:33 AM
  23. fpostrow's Avatar
    If it's not official it's just hearsay. So it could work but ... Also, as I stated that setup would only cover one 1. The extender concept has to be extended to the 1 in a way that improves the usability to fit in with what the 1 is supposed to be and do. At this point it just doesn't. Cable co apps like Time Warner will hopefully be released soon for the 1 but we have had no official word that this will happen at all. Don't get me wrong I understand the problems dealing with the cable co's and integrating their business models into technology like xbox and Media Center. The entire fault for the poor roll out and use of cablecard lies at their feat. They refused to approve cablecard tuners for use in Media Center by dragging out the cable labs approval process for years and then when they finally approved the systems they were untrained and unqualified to support them. Plenty of install stories about truck rolls and clueless cable techs. But this is one of those technologies that continues to work even with the necessary use of Tuning Adapters for Switched Digital channel support. Unfortunately the cable co's solution for everything is; rent a frickin' box from us and put it next to your shiny new toy. Sorry, that's not happening. Now the app approach does work on 360 despite it's lack of broadcast channels but that route misses the DVR and media library access that most of us would like to maintain access to. As I stated before Media Center is MS's product that should have been supported out of the gate and unfortunately it's not. Let's hope they figure out how to do this soon. Otherwise the 1 just isn't quite what it could have been.
    11-13-2013 08:15 AM
  24. Coreldan's Avatar
    Well, when it comes to Media Center, there's a few things worth noticing.

    Yes, it's an amazing product, but so few people use it. The second is that apparently they are deciding within MS to move away from it in general. Perhaps something will replace the functionality, perhaps not. It's a shame it never got the spotlight it deserved, but I can't blame them for not building the Xbox One around something that a tiny fraction of people even know exists.
    11-13-2013 08:27 AM
  25. oldpueblo's Avatar
    A media center PC with the IR blaster dongle basically functions exactly as an extender, except you get the full media center UI not the extender UI as well as of course no lag introduced by the network. That's the benefit of having your HTPC plugged in directly. You'd be in the guide the entire time navigating via remote so you don't need a mouse/keyboard. However if you did do a wireless mouse/keyboard combo you would also have a PC with an Xbone overlay, might be handy for some things. The only way I'd see that not working is if during Xbone setup you can't actually choose "Media Center" as your "cable box" and the Xbone can't learn the IR blast codes. That seems to me to be too impossible to happen.
    11-13-2013 10:14 AM
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