1. TachyonicCargo's Avatar
    For the record, I am getting a Xbox One at launch, and a PS4 next spring. But I came across this video earlier today, and it mirrored some stuff that I had been hearing off and on for months (from other sources). However, with the mainstream games media unwilling to cover any of it, I let it all go at the time. But apparently, the truth does not go away so easily, as signs are pointing in the general direction, that most of this is coming to pass . . . and it is only after all that, which I came across this video. A video that puts a lot of things that people in the video game industry have not been willing to talk about, into perspective.

    All I can say is, watch the entire video before commenting, and draw your own conclusions. One way of the other, we will all be brought into the light within the next few weeks.

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    10-28-2013 09:10 PM
  2. mase123987's Avatar
    Wouldn't surprise me the slightest bit, though I have zero idea who this guy is so I would take it with a grain of salt.
    10-28-2013 10:27 PM
  3. sinime's Avatar
    IDK, it's hard to believe MS would have done what they were doing if Sony wasn't on board as well... Anyhow, I'm sure they can get everything sorted out with regard to DRM removable and online play.
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    10-28-2013 11:32 PM
  4. TachyonicCargo's Avatar
    In time, I have no doubt that both companies will get things sorted. But I am beginning to doubt they will in time for the launch of their respective systems. But it really makes you wonder. Why would major publishers EA and Ubisoft give up their Online Pass programs, if both Sony and Microsoft were not in bed with the entire DRM thing? And there are a ton of other lingering questions from earlier in the year, that thankfully to the epic fail the gaming press delivered in their coverage, it could be years before the public truly knows the truth.

    And look at the PS4 now. A day one patch for the system, that is required just to get the system to do anything besides offline gaming. Dude, that screams volumes. When the PS3 launched, it did not need an update just to get online to play games . . . or to play movies locally on the blu-ray player. Seriously, without that update, your shiny, new, Playstation 4, is little more than a $400 door stop. Now with Microsoft, we expected to have this update on day one of the system - after all, Microsoft announced the update the day they announced they will killing their DRM and digital sharing program for the Xbox One.

    I'm thinking that the whole industry, Sony, Microsoft, all the major publishers, pretty much everyone behind the scenes, was in on this DRM thing from the very beginning. And between the SimCity fiasco in March, and the Xbox One "always on" leak in April, that Sony, and every other publisher out there just quietly backed away (instead of standing their ground) and let Microsoft take all the heat. Microsoft comes down as the heavy, while Sony points fingers and goes, "we'd never do that to our fans."
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    10-29-2013 03:44 AM
  5. gsquared's Avatar
    Didn't watch past this guy claiming how reliable his sources were. Don't know what he was going on about but he is lying..
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    10-29-2013 07:57 AM
  6. theeboredone's Avatar
    Couple of things.

    1. I wouldn't put much on DRM as to why EA gave up their online pass. They have been declining a lot lately in sales and have taken quite a few blows. They lost Tiger Woods as their sponsor for the PGA series, they can no longer use College Football players' "likeness", and it's no secret people have been pissed about their microtransactions and on disc DLC.

    2. There was a twitter response by a Sony Executive who confirmed you don't need to update your PS4 in order to play games offline. But yes, if you want to go online and play with your buddies, I believe the patch is required. With that being said, video games tend to have day 1 patches due to bugs and what not all the time. Just the curse of working under a deadline.

    Overall though, this is why I wait anywhere from 1-3 years. Wait for some awesome bundle to come out, have the game library increase (while decreasing some games in price), and have all those bugs and glitches be resolved.

    Edit: Would be curious to see some hacker or developer get their hands on a fresh PS4 that doesn't have an update, and analyze the software to see if it has any DRM features on it.
    10-29-2013 10:21 AM
  7. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    And look at the PS4 now. A day one patch for the system, that is required just to get the system to do anything besides offline gaming. Dude, that screams volumes . . . Seriously, without that update, your shiny, new, Playstation 4, is little more than a $400 door stop.
    That's not really an intelligent analysis, in my opinion. I primarily play games offline right now, so to say offline gaming is the equivalent of a door stop doesn't make sense, at least to me. Besides, they said long ago that the Xbox One would need a Day-One update to get it running as well, because they're changing the DRM setup, like you said, but it's still a bit hypocritical to bash one company over the other about it.
    10-29-2013 12:25 PM
  8. TachyonicCargo's Avatar
    That's not really an intelligent analysis, in my opinion. I primarily play games offline right now, so to say offline gaming is the equivalent of a door stop doesn't make sense, at least to me. Besides, they said long ago that the Xbox One would need a Day-One update to get it running as well, because they're changing the DRM setup, like you said, but it's still a bit hypocritical to bash one company over the other about it.
    Not bashing one company over the other - I'd hope that anyone reading my entire post, could see that. Just pointing out the sudden announcement of the PS4 day one patch, is just further evidence that Sony was into this DRM thing all along. Perhaps I could have worded that better in the original post. But such are the perils of posting at almost 3am after a long night of binge Netflixing, when I should have been asleep.

    The point however is, that BOTH systems need that day one patch to flush all traces of their previous DRM schemes from the system architecture. As in the case of both systems, the only thing you will be able to do on day one without said patches, is play offline. The only differences comes in that Microsoft was honest about the whole DRM thing upfront, while Sony was not, and have allowed people to believe in a lie for months. If I were running a business, I would likely do the same thing - after all, if grown people are really naive enough to think what is good for the gander+++, is somehow not good for the goose, then they deserve to being tricked into pouring their hard earned money into my company's coffers. But I am not running a company, I'm just an ordinary Joe like everyone else, and I personally feel that it is a really crummy thing to do to people.


    +++ and by the gander, I mean Microsoft, Valve, Apple, Google, and the whole, bloody consumer electronics industry, as they all use some form of DRM to keep consumers locked into their respective ecosystems, and the overall trend seems to be the future that all consumable tech is headed into regardless of what medium said consumables come in
    10-29-2013 03:55 PM
  9. Coreldan's Avatar
    Actually, I believe that the Xbox needs the patch even to play offline.
    10-29-2013 04:00 PM
  10. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Do we know that the PS4's patch is DRM-related? I didn't actually see the article about the patch, so IDK.
    10-29-2013 04:42 PM
  11. Robert Carpenter's Avatar
    Not bashing one company over the other - I'd hope that anyone reading my entire post, could see that. Just pointing out the sudden announcement of the PS4 day one patch, is just further evidence that Sony was into this DRM thing all along. Perhaps I could have worded that better in the original post. But such are the perils of posting at almost 3am after a long night of binge Netflixing, when I should have been asleep.

    The point however is, that BOTH systems need that day one patch to flush all traces of their previous DRM schemes from the system architecture. As in the case of both systems, the only thing you will be able to do on day one without said patches, is play offline. The only differences comes in that Microsoft was honest about the whole DRM thing upfront, while Sony was not, and have allowed people to believe in a lie for months. If I were running a business, I would likely do the same thing - after all, if grown people are really naive enough to think what is good for the gander+++, is somehow not good for the goose, then they deserve to being tricked into pouring their hard earned money into my company's coffers. But I am not running a company, I'm just an ordinary Joe like everyone else, and I personally feel that it is a really crummy thing to do to people.


    +++ and by the gander, I mean Microsoft, Valve, Apple, Google, and the whole, bloody consumer electronics industry, as they all use some form of DRM to keep consumers locked into their respective ecosystems, and the overall trend seems to be the future that all consumable tech is headed into regardless of what medium said consumables come in
    Conspiracy Theory created by you.

    Until it's proven, then you are just misunderstanding a harmless motive. I'm an Xbox Fanboy, but the obvious reason is that Sony did not have all of it's operating system/software finished and needed to begin production in order to meet the deadline. So the easiest thing to do was put the latest version of the operating system onto the chips during manufacturing and patch it with an update on Day One.

    Please stop with the false rumors. Thanks.
    10-29-2013 07:26 PM
  12. vormison's Avatar
    OMG! The 720p of the 1080p infrastructure of the network upgrades leaves the resolutions lacking!!! All hail the hellllll that we are about to experience!!!!!

    /sarcasm.
    10-30-2013 02:23 PM
  13. vincelac's Avatar
    10-30-2013 03:02 PM
  14. mase123987's Avatar
    Hmmm...Whether it is just devs still learning how to get the most out of the Xbox or Xbox simply can't do it, it isn't good for one of the biggest titles in gaming to be better on the competitor.
    10-30-2013 03:22 PM
  15. vormison's Avatar
    Hmmm...Whether it is just devs still learning how to get the most out of the Xbox or Xbox simply can't do it, it isn't good for one of the biggest titles in gaming to be better on the competitor.
    Unless Sony has somehow managed to quadruple their online gaming experience, I don't consider the up converting to be an issue on Xbox One.
    10-30-2013 09:59 PM
  16. WanderingTraveler's Avatar
    I don't really see that it matters.
    I mean, come on. 1080p only matters if you do gaming on a 40+" screen, and I'd be fine with a bit less than 60 fps.

    But, apparently there are a lot of specheads in the console wars now.

    Let us not forget that these are just Mid-Range PCs.
    10-30-2013 10:27 PM
  17. vincelac's Avatar
    I don't really see that it matters.
    I mean, come on. 1080p only matters if you do gaming on a 40+" screen, and I'd be fine with a bit less than 60 fps.

    But, apparently there are a lot of specheads in the console wars now.

    Let us not forget that these are just Mid-Range PCs.
    im not for one system or the other, I just wanted to refute the guy's sources. The stuff he was saying wasn't that mind blowing but if one thing was false, I assume it all is
    10-31-2013 12:53 AM
  18. Robert Carpenter's Avatar
    Let us not forget that these are just Mid-Range PCs.
    Not true. You are not taking the hardware architecture into consideration. You are only looking at numbers.

    A SOC with that power is much faster than a PC CPU with equal power. The 8 GB of DDR3/GDDR5 ram has direct integration (no memory bus to transfer through; directly connect to the CPU).

    These consoles are comparable to high-range PC's, they just simply aren't at the top.
    10-31-2013 09:48 AM
  19. FearL0rd's Avatar
    They should kept the IBM PowerPC Architecture... Big Fail on this
    10-31-2013 09:06 PM
  20. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    They should kept the IBM PowerPC Architecture... Big Fail on this
    You're kidding, right? The x86 move allows them to seek the Windows application compatibility, and I'm sure it's helped with the multitasking and such. Plus, do we even know if that was REMOTELY possible?
    10-31-2013 09:55 PM
  21. FearL0rd's Avatar
    You're kidding, right? The x86 move allows them to seek the Windows application compatibility, and I'm sure it's helped with the multitasking and such. Plus, do we even know if that was REMOTELY possible?
    The only reason that 360 survived all these years is the PowerPC. Point a 500$ computer from 2004/5 that can run the latest Halo.
    RISC Rulezzzz.... If the didn't stop with the evolution we could have something faster that i386 architecture Today .
    I worked DIGITAL RISC machine running OpenVMS a long time ago and this machine was 1000 times faster that any PC.
    11-01-2013 12:38 AM
  22. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    The only reason that 360 survived all these years is the PowerPC. Point a 500$ computer from 2004/5 that can run the latest Halo.
    RISC Rulezzzz.... If the didn't stop with the evolution we could have something faster that i386 architecture Today .
    I worked DIGITAL RISC machine running OpenVMS a long time ago and this machine was 1000 times faster that any PC.
    ARM is a RISC platform. We'll just get the new consoles running on the Tegra 4 or the A7 or the Snapdragon 800.
    11-01-2013 01:20 AM
  23. FearL0rd's Avatar
    ARM is a RISC platform. We'll just get the new consoles running on the Tegra 4 or the A7 or the Snapdragon 800.
    ARM is a RISC implementation for low energy devices and ARM is starting with 64bits now. the Alphas had already 64bits in 90's. Imagine Today. (128?) Maybe....
    Now with the cheap price of the memories RISC could be more powerful them any CISC processor.
    Berkley is developing a RISC-V .The RISC-V Instruction Set Architecture I hope the processors war start again.

    "The Overall RISC Advantage
    Today, the Intel x86 is arguable the only chip which retains CISC architecture. This is primarily due to advancements in other areas of computer technology. The price of RAM has decreased dramatically. In 1977, 1MB of DRAM cost about $5,000. By 1994, the same amount of memory cost only $6 (when adjusted for inflation). Compiler technology has also become more sophisticated, so that the RISC use of RAM and emphasis on software has become ideal. "
    RISC vs. CISC
    11-01-2013 01:36 AM
  24. rcazador's Avatar
    Actually, I believe that the Xbox needs the patch even to play offline.
    I believe the ps4 needs a patch to display the boot logo and another patch to fix the boot logo fix... Trolol

    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk
    11-01-2013 01:57 AM

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