11-12-2013 12:38 PM
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  1. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    I suppose with certain kind of setups the power brick might be annoying, but I don't see it as an issue for majority of people. Mobility I find as a bit silly argument, I would be a bit mad at MS if they sacrificed ANYTHING in the Xbox One and said it was to make it easier to travel with.
    My thing is, why is this what it is? Does the DDR3 need a bunch more power than the GDDR5, so they needed the external power source? That's my only possible conclusion, because they use the same CPU and semi-comparable GPUs, so I would think that the power draw is similar, unless the Kinect is a major source of power (which I didn't think it would be, but maybe it is). I'm just curious as to why Sony could get the PSU into the console with these last 2 generations, but Microsoft couldn't.
    11-04-2013 04:17 AM
  2. Coreldan's Avatar
    My guess would just be that they didn't want to take any risks wth the cooling this time around. I know 360 had an external one too, but putting it inside the console certainly doesn't help the cooling and it actually takes quite a bit of physical space. I do lift my hat for Sony for managing to make a more powerful console in approximately the same size device, but with internal PSU with no issues coming from it.

    Other option is probably that it's a lazier/easier solution and it's easily replaceable by the user.

    I guess having used a lot of laptops I'm just so used to power bricks that on a non-mobile device it really doesn't bother me at all. It might sound funny, but even if I could decide if its inside or outside on the X1 I might still opt for the external one. If nothing else, I can replace it myself, but mostly I just feel that inside stuffed case is not the best place for a big, very hot brick :D

    Like you said, it was like this last gen too (so was the "power comparison") but 360 still had it outside. I doubt it has anything to do with the specs or power required, probably just it being the easier option for MS.
    11-04-2013 05:03 AM
  3. Jas00555's Avatar
    1. The cloud computing is a limited thing. If they make it fully-functional, you implement the always-online thing people were mad about in the first place. If you don't, you cannot properly fix the hardware restrictions, and the resolution issue remains intact.

    2. By a "mess," he means that it's not the best of times for developers, which has been said (along with the issues regarding the Kinect/system GPU requirements and the ESRAM).

    3. I think he means the power, though IDK what they are pulling for power in either case, so validity cannot be verified (at least, not by this reader).

    4. And if they are, it affects him. Still, it doesn't seem like the state of indie games is necessarily bad on Microsoft, as they sounded like they were doing a lot to make it good at the show in Germany (or whatever) over the summer.

    5. I don't know what this part of your reply actually means. However, consider that a 2-D fighting game, Killer Instinct, couldn't pull off 1080p. That really IS something worth worrying about, because if something that isn't apparently graphically-intensive and made in-house (sort-of, since Microsoft owns Rare) cannot pull of next-gen resolutions, the possibility of it in the future becomes less. Thing is, people say "Forza is 1080p!" but that is the ONLY game we've heard is 1080p so far. Killer Instinct, Call of Duty, Battlefield, Ryse, and Dead Rising allegedly are all sub-1080p (all are verified but Dead Rising). It might not be the BIGGEST problem, but when you get to Quantum Break, I'd imagine such a cinematic game would make those drawbacks more noticeable, if they are present.
    1) people didn't like the always-on because Sony was offering something similar without it. If always-on means that you get way more potential, people would be ok with it. Plus, there's lots of ways to implement it where a game with a disc gets an ok game play, but the cloud computing makes a mind-blowing experience.

    2) ok, if its just for developers, that makes sense. He should've clarified.

    3) he mentions a power brick later in his rant, so I presumed he meant 2 different things

    4) I agree. Indie games should be massively different on the X1, but I still don't play them.

    5) he was talking about the developers and I was just pointing out that we don't know the full story, so we shouldn't assume what the problem is.
    11-04-2013 09:58 AM
  4. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Haha, my bro is going to be pretty miffed given he streams pretty much everything via his pc to his ps3, but yeah I doubt Sony will completely omit these features all for the sake of their own services.. as otherwise they will be shooting both of their feet off, given the PS3 was made to be essentially media hub and generally you improve on your previous console and not go back.

    In terms of consoles performing graphically, I doubt we will see anything graphically mind blowing in the early stages but nearer to the end of a consoles life span as developers get more comfortable with the console and are able to optimise better whereas the flip side, MS and Sony will continue to improve their SDK(s) and iron out the kinks. However having said that I am looking forward to be proven wrong come end of November by both consoles :P.
    11-04-2013 04:00 PM
  5. iBandar's Avatar
    Xbox One Day One :) Not going to argue here with the haters.
    The world will see in 17 days.
    11-04-2013 05:54 PM
  6. BIGPADDY's Avatar
    Who watching the clock come down for both consoles?
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    11-04-2013 06:03 PM
  7. TonyDedrick's Avatar
    I have a 360. And I have to admit that the power brick is a bit cumbersome when it comes to traveling.

    Back on topic, at the end of the day, these consoles are gonna live or die by its exclusives and which ones a gamer prefer.
    11-04-2013 06:06 PM
  8. BIGPADDY's Avatar
    I want to see a superman game for the next gen where you can go through building, fly into space, beat up general Zod, fight batman etc.

    Destruction and space and Louise.
    11-04-2013 06:12 PM
  9. Jas00555's Avatar
    I want to see a superman game for the next gen where you can go through building, fly into space, beat up general Zod, fight batman etc.

    Destruction and space and Louise.
    eh, I wouldn't like a superman game. I'd feel like I'm constantly playing on God mode.

    My ideal game would be something like Fallout, but get this... Everything is one giant world with no load times. If a super mutant is shooting at you from inside a building, you run inside and attack him. If you're inside a building, instead of everyone awkwardly standing outside waiting for you, they attack you and you can use the building as cover. Each building and every building is part of the giant world and all of the buildings can be travelled inside. Obviously, not for places where it makes sense to have a load time, like for example the Dead Money DLC.

    I know Dead Rising 3 is suppose to do something like this, but I like the Fallout games better.
    11-04-2013 08:23 PM
  10. TonyDedrick's Avatar
    I want to see a superman game for the next gen where you can go through building, fly into space, beat up general Zod, fight batman etc.

    Destruction and space and Louise.
    I would love a Supes game done by Rockstar. Those guys nailed Batman. I think they could do the same for Superman.
    11-04-2013 11:36 PM
  11. Coreldan's Avatar
    Not sure if this has been posted here yet: Yes, the Xbox One can play CDs and will support DLNA streaming — Xbox Uncut

    So it's not all that rosey on Xbox One either, mostly just the lack of imported MP3s, but at least Play To works.
    11-05-2013 06:05 AM
  12. BIGPADDY's Avatar
    Not sure if this has been posted here yet: Yes, the Xbox One can play CDs and will support DLNA streaming — Xbox Uncut

    So it's not all that rosey on Xbox One either, mostly just the lack of imported MP3s, but at least Play To works.
    So no copying the CD to Xbox and no cd at all for PS4 some heads need banding together!
    11-05-2013 07:57 AM
  13. BIGPADDY's Avatar
    I want plug and play enabled!
    11-05-2013 08:52 AM
  14. spaulagain's Avatar
    Not sure if this has been posted here yet: Yes, the Xbox One can play CDs and will support DLNA streaming — Xbox Uncut

    So it's not all that rosey on Xbox One either, mostly just the lack of imported MP3s, but at least Play To works.
    I don't care about storing music on Xbox. I already have an external HD that serves as my music server. But I should be able to play that music through Xbox via Play To. Or I should be able to plug in that external storage and play via that device.

    I can do just that with Xbox. But PS4 is completely worthless when it comes to music playback. That's a deal killer. Far more than 720p game play.
    11-05-2013 10:52 AM
  15. Jeff Merritt1's Avatar
    I have become disgustingly infatuated with all of the "rumors", "complaints", "comments", "praises", "reviews", "First hand knowledge", "Insider Info" and "over-the-top stories" that I will be sad when both consoles are released. I've been paying particular attention to a blog by a very devout MS fan. I have to hand it to him, he has some pretty sensational material. He has some pretty good hypothesis about the X1 itself. I find it enthralling, it would be something if his "insider" info was true...me thinks not. On the flip-side of the coin there is a particular website that is so Pro-Sony, I'm drawn to it like moths to lights. The ridiculous comments and approved articles are so one-sided it is a travesty to journalism. I have to think it is a site completely sponsored by Sony it is so incredible. However, it keeps me coming back for more, much like Pavlov's Dogs.

    I'm getting a X1, I'm not going to lie. I am not going to sugarcoat anything at all. I know it isn't as powerful (unless the MS persons blog is too be believed (yet)) as the PS4. I know that. I could care less. I've never gamed at 1080p so I honestly won't know what I'm missing in BF4. However, I have played the X1. I know how beautiful Forza looks...and that was over a month ago, so I'm sure it's only improved. It blew my mind, so I'll be quite content with my "underpowered" system.

    The lack of media support is an utter shock for the PS4, Sony...the Sony that developed, CD's, DAT, Blu-Ray, and The Walkman. The company that basically invented portable music is not going to have access to it from the get go (until the patch is released), unless you pay for it via Sony's Music service. Incredible. Sony has made a war-horse of a console, and it's goal is to destroy the X1. Oddly enough, in gaming functions not media functions.

    I'm old, I'm too old to be concerned about pixels, tessalation, shaders, die-sizes, and vertex-whirly-gigs. I want a system that can fit easily into my TV stand and blend in with the rest of my equipment (I'm looking at you X1, you lovely VCR looking machine) and I want a system that will integrate with my eco-system I have set-up. Which as strange as it sounds just so happens to be the Windows eco-system. I want a system that can play games and quite frankly I want a system I can turn on by my voice. Only because I'm too lazy to reach for the remote or get up off the davenport to turn it on.

    Surprisingly, Xbox One, does all of that and (as I've heard through "my sources" and my favorite MS blogger) then some. Illumi-Room anyone?
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    11-08-2013 03:29 AM
  16. Jas00555's Avatar
    To me, the lack of external hard drive support is a deal breaker. Between Ryse, Forza, dead rising, CoD, and assassins creed is almost 150gb... And that's just launch titles! I can kiss my storage goodbye when Fallout 5 comes out, not to mention 2 more Halos, Titanfall 1 & 2. If I'm keeping this thing for about 7 years, I'm gonna need way more than 500gb. I realize that Sony may include support, but I'm not buying a console on "what ifs". That's just my preference.
    11-09-2013 03:11 PM
  17. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Sony lets you swap the HDD out, don't forget that. It'll probably be cheaper to go that route than the external route, and I'm REALLY curious to see if people can put SSDs in the PS4 (it'd be killer). Microsoft's also using a 500-GB HDD, and they aren't making it swappable, meaning you have to pay a stupid premium to upgrade the internal drive when it fills up, which sucks. On top of that, even if SSDs aren't possible in the PS4, you could get a 7200-RPM drive in there, while the included one for the PS4 (and likely the One) is only a 5400-RPM drive.
    11-09-2013 03:31 PM
  18. Coreldan's Avatar
    I was planning to eventually get just a 7200RPM external, but I think it'll take a while before my HDD fills up anyways, depends on what can and can't you do with imported videos etc.

    I dunno, personally though I'm a bit more interested at the support for external drive. That way I have access to all my stuff at the same time, instead of going "damn, now that game is on the other HDD". One could argue though that you could just get a bigger HDD to the PS4 right out of the gate, but that's still gonna cost a good amount of money too, although I guess it's a bit cheaper than a similar size external.

    Although then there's the question of transfer speeds. USB3 is fast, but I doubt it can match a swapped "internal" HDD on the PS4, although don't think that's gonna be a problem.
    11-09-2013 03:38 PM
  19. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    IDK what version of SATA they use for the drives, but USB 3.0 is 5 Gb/sec. That means 8 seconds for 5 GB, at peak speeds (we'll see what we get for speed on the console), for about a minute for a full game transfer? That sounds optimistic, haha. I think the big question is if you can play from an external HDD, or if it requires a transfer to the internal to play.
    11-09-2013 04:24 PM
  20. ncxcstud's Avatar
    There is always the option (as there currently is) that you can delete games and redownload/install them as you wish. I'm still rocking a 20GB original hard drive on my xbox 360 and though I do have a 16GB flash drive connected to it, it has been 'doable' to get what I want - almost when I want it - on that hard drive.

    Getting to have a 500GB hard drive will be awesome for me. Plus, the external drive support will be really cool too.

    The thing I want to know with the PS3, is that yes, you can hot swap the drives, but with no external drive support are you starting 'fresh' each time having to re-download everything that was on the first drive? I'm assuming they have some sort of cloud support for saved games right? Because if there isn't a way for you to get your save file from one drive to another.......that'd suck...
    11-10-2013 07:33 AM
  21. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    I know they said you have 1 GB of cloud saving, but I'm sure that doesn't last too long with new saves. The other thing is that they said no external drives, but they also said that USB drives could be used to install updates to the console, so maybe it's just that you can't install dames to an external HDD or you can't PLAY games from an external HDD, we'll have to wait and see.

    The problem with re-downloading is that games are 30 GB and larger now, in most cases (EA's stuff and Dead Rising being the main exceptions). Re-downloading Ryse (which is 47 GB) would suuuuuuuuuuuck,
    11-10-2013 08:57 AM
  22. Bee Mon's Avatar
    I have multiple devices and I don't want to spend my time copying or synchronizing my videos and music across them. I put all my media files on a 1TB WD My Passport so external HDD support or DLNA will be important to me. So if PS4 or XB1 does not provide either then sorry I'll keep my XB360 as my media player and turn to the PC for all my gaming needs. No more consoles for me. I've had it with people telling me what I cannot do with a device that I paid for, not because it's not possible but they just don't want you to.
    11-10-2013 10:57 AM
  23. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Well, not once have they said that the Xbox One can't do those things (they openly said they COULD, in fact), so calm down. I personally just use my phone for music though, because it allows me to change tracks and albums without stopping what I'm doing in the game, which is nice.
    11-10-2013 12:31 PM
  24. peachy001's Avatar
    At he risk of looking like a complete imbecile, I have a question surrounding the DLNA business. I currently town my PC on (no need to log in) and then use the xbox to stream movies from a shared folder. I tried playing around with the media centre thing, but to no avail. Can anyone tell me what the difference is?
    11-10-2013 02:24 PM
  25. jkidd01's Avatar
    Sony lets you swap the HDD out
    Microsoft's also using a 500-GB HDD, and they aren't making it swappable
    Source?
    11-10-2013 10:06 PM
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